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Post by warehamgas on Feb 3, 2021 14:01:40 GMT
I havent commented on anything last night because I only have negative things to say. I havent made it any secret of my dislike for Tisdale, his ways, management or selection. I wasn't in favour of his appointment for all the reasons being discussed now. The simple facts are, regardless of the transfer policy and who is responsible at board level for it, is that we are fundamentally worse under Tisdale than under Garner, something that was pretty hard to achieve. So whats the solution? Firstly we do need to dispense with Tisdales services, absolutely no brainer decision IMO. Secondly I would create a 3 man management team until the end of the season comprising of Widdrington, Mansell and Hargreaves with Byron Anthoney stepping up to first team coaching duties. TW has scouted these players and played a huge role in their signing, so he should know what their absolute strengths are and know the best tactics in which to employ. He would be resonsible for team selection and formation. Mansell is an experienced pro as well as a captain and now an experienced coach, he knows how to unite a dressing room and lead a team on a field and give a voice to the squad. Hes also dragged this club up from the doldrums of non league and knows what we are about. None of the existing players or management can relate to the fans like he can so he can impart exactly what that means to us in our absence from the mem. Hargreaves is a discipliarian, an experienced manager, respected amongst our U23s who has done a marvelous job in breeding some home grown players so clearly has an ability to motivate and coach. All 3 of them are responsible for the in game decisions, a collective resposibility where egos are put to one side for the benefit of the team where each one can bring something to the table to get us out of this mess. The U23s can be looked after by Paranello for now. If we go down at least we have the opportunity to go down fighting and not in the weak way we are currently going under a man who would rather write articles for the daily mail on how to be a great manager but is totally inept in his own role. If we dont change something, we are going down with a wimper and I'm not sure I can watch another minute of us either. Rather than be negative, what do you see as a viable solution. It’s a reasonable POV 1981 and I’ve been advocating Manse and Hargreaves as a pair every time since DC but if that was going to happen it should have happened before. My concern would be that Tis would be taking the flack for everything when I would want to give him the time to do the job that needs doing. If “he’s lost the changing rooms” or whatever then I hope he is telling some home truths to the players, they need it and at the moment I’d put more faith in Tis than some of those players. I just don’t think you can keep getting rid of managers the way we seem to. My solution, fwiw, on Saturday Tis to decide on his two best CHs and play them (I’d choose Alfie and Baldwin) and send the rest of the players from last night out and tell them to put last night right. But if your solution was the one selected I’d not be unhappy. All in all a complete shambles! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 3, 2021 14:03:29 GMT
An internal appointment as he was part of the playing squad beforehand. Was he? My memory is obviously not what it was! Apologies. UTG!
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Post by Icegas on Feb 3, 2021 14:11:41 GMT
I havent commented on anything last night because I only have negative things to say. I havent made it any secret of my dislike for Tisdale, his ways, management or selection. I wasn't in favour of his appointment for all the reasons being discussed now. The simple facts are, regardless of the transfer policy and who is responsible at board level for it, is that we are fundamentally worse under Tisdale than under Garner, something that was pretty hard to achieve. So whats the solution? Firstly we do need to dispense with Tisdales services, absolutely no brainer decision IMO. Secondly I would create a 3 man management team until the end of the season comprising of Widdrington, Mansell and Hargreaves with Byron Anthoney stepping up to first team coaching duties. TW has scouted these players and played a huge role in their signing, so he should know what their absolute strengths are and know the best tactics in which to employ. He would be resonsible for team selection and formation. Mansell is an experienced pro as well as a captain and now an experienced coach, he knows how to unite a dressing room and lead a team on a field and give a voice to the squad. Hes also dragged this club up from the doldrums of non league and knows what we are about. None of the existing players or management can relate to the fans like he can so he can impart exactly what that means to us in our absence from the mem. Hargreaves is a discipliarian, an experienced manager, respected amongst our U23s who has done a marvelous job in breeding some home grown players so clearly has an ability to motivate and coach. All 3 of them are responsible for the in game decisions, a collective resposibility where egos are put to one side for the benefit of the team where each one can bring something to the table to get us out of this mess. The U23s can be looked after by Paranello for now. If we go down at least we have the opportunity to go down fighting and not in the weak way we are currently going under a man who would rather write articles for the daily mail on how to be a great manager but is totally inept in his own role. If we dont change something, we are going down with a wimper and I'm not sure I can watch another minute of us either. Rather than be negative, what do you see as a viable solution. Very good post. The thing is when I looked at the team sheet yesterday I thought to myself...thats pretty much our best 11 players "on paper" that we could put out!🧐👀🤬 The fault of last night lies with the players.They downed tools, gave no fight and embarrassed this club. I can't blame PT for that. I think he has to take responsibility for some very dodgy team selections over his time here.For not bringing in any other players to the club then the two he did.For not making an example of our captain along with a few others last night by taking him and others off the pitch due to there disgusting performance. But what other options do we have apart from the one gashead1981 suggested...Who would take the job one with this group of players here? I think PT looks broken and clearly wants out as he has lost the squad. The bigger problem - as I see us as being already down as we can't improve this side by signings, so we are stuck with them whomever is in charge.But what about next season...? Most of these players are BG signings and will have signed longer contacts for 2/3 years so next year in L2 is going to be a bigger struggle.
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 3, 2021 14:26:24 GMT
I think the problem goes much deeper than the playing and coaching and sadly right to the very top. I think Weal is a great and kind person and I am sure he only wants what is best for Bristol Rovers. Unfortunately I don't think he has any Ideal how to run this football club. I thinks we are missing having directors and people in the club who grew up as supporters of the club. The club just doesn't feel like Bristol Rovers anymore. All of Weals money is not going to sort this mess out. It is going to take years to replace everything we had here that has been lost or dismantled since Weal took over. I think your first part is spot on, I’m not sure if having supporters on the board is part of the problem as that in itself caused problems a lot of the time. But like you I feel a total disconnect with the club. The problem for me is that Wael hasn’t got the right experience around him - if Tisdale goes than that will be the 4th Manager under Starnes & Widdrington to depart. I almost feel as tho it’s the tail wagging the dog with these two I think it was their arrival that DC began to lose his mojo, GC turned things around again & got us results but there was unease at his style of management & football, I don’t think he felt he had their support & if it’s true that Garner had been putting feelers out for the job then I can’t say I blame him for walking. But one thing is for sure both DC & GC got the players playing as a team. I didn’t really want PT as manager, but I don’t think it’s solely his fault that we find ourselves in this position, those at the top are culpable. If Wael had the balls Widdrington should have gone with Garner & Starnes would be on borrowed time, instead he promotes him & they all play happy families. That said, it’s Wael’s club, he does what he wants it’s his money. BTW Tom Gorringe has been a great success for the club.
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Post by kruger on Feb 3, 2021 14:33:10 GMT
If Tisdale goes we have a chance, if he stays then next year we will be playing teams like FGR, I won't be there especially as they can do something about it now. Think you should take a look at the league 2 table, looks like we’re gonna be in the league below FGR even more depressed now, thanks
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 3, 2021 14:35:19 GMT
Hi team of former premiership youth players - here’s some bloke you’ve never heard of who played non-league. The fans liked him because he was combatitive on the pitch so therefore he’s completely qualified to manage a league one team.
Here’s also the guy who did the paperwork when you joined and a youth team coach.
I’m sure you’ll agree they’ll do much better than an experienced league manager.
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Post by albaron on Feb 3, 2021 14:36:04 GMT
Perhaps we need to look at the coaches. They seem to be getting away with the flak.if they are the ones who spend time with the players on the training ground is it them who need looking at and removing from the picture. The bench on matchday seems to overflow with invisible men in tracksuits. A whittling of them may help Exactly this. They don't even look that interested during the games. I wonder what this lot actually do. Thisis where Tisdale needs to get his own team in. Surprised its not happened before.
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 3, 2021 14:49:42 GMT
Tony Adams as defence coach with Sol Campbell player-manager! 😂 Sol Campbell as manager. I wouldn't actually mind that. Although I'm not a fan of his persona and his rumblings in the media basically screaming that everybody owes him something, he hasn't done a bad job at the clubs he has been at,on the pitch at least, certainly Macclesfield. I think we could be the perfect club for him to put his high views of himself to the test, he could really prove that he is one of the "Greatest minds in Football" which he self proclaimed.
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Post by socrates on Feb 3, 2021 15:16:40 GMT
I havent commented on anything last night because I only have negative things to say. I havent made it any secret of my dislike for Tisdale, his ways, management or selection. I wasn't in favour of his appointment for all the reasons being discussed now. The simple facts are, regardless of the transfer policy and who is responsible at board level for it, is that we are fundamentally worse under Tisdale than under Garner, something that was pretty hard to achieve. So whats the solution? Firstly we do need to dispense with Tisdales services, absolutely no brainer decision IMO. Secondly I would create a 3 man management team until the end of the season comprising of Widdrington, Mansell and Hargreaves with Byron Anthoney stepping up to first team coaching duties. TW has scouted these players and played a huge role in their signing, so he should know what their absolute strengths are and know the best tactics in which to employ. He would be resonsible for team selection and formation. Mansell is an experienced pro as well as a captain and now an experienced coach, he knows how to unite a dressing room and lead a team on a field and give a voice to the squad. Hes also dragged this club up from the doldrums of non league and knows what we are about. None of the existing players or management can relate to the fans like he can so he can impart exactly what that means to us in our absence from the mem. Hargreaves is a discipliarian, an experienced manager, respected amongst our U23s who has done a marvelous job in breeding some home grown players so clearly has an ability to motivate and coach. All 3 of them are responsible for the in game decisions, a collective resposibility where egos are put to one side for the benefit of the team where each one can bring something to the table to get us out of this mess. The U23s can be looked after by Paranello for now. If we go down at least we have the opportunity to go down fighting and not in the weak way we are currently going under a man who would rather write articles for the daily mail on how to be a great manager but is totally inept in his own role. If we dont change something, we are going down with a wimper and I'm not sure I can watch another minute of us either. Rather than be negative, what do you see as a viable solution. Definitely and Wael should put the process in to action today.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Feb 3, 2021 15:39:35 GMT
Come to think of it, when was our last successful external appointment? I wanted an internal appointment when GC left in order to maintain continuity, but the board went with BG, which I obviously wanted to work but sadly it was a car crash. I think the damage was too heavy and I think Tisdale is proving to be incapable of turning it around. I genuinely can't think of one for the 20+ years I've been a ST holder
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 3, 2021 15:40:48 GMT
Amazing that people would even consider playing Alfie saturday. He was awful last night and possible even worse than Ehmer. Personally I think he is League 2 standard at best MOST of the time at the moment. He looks in a daze half of the time and has just kept losing his man all season. I think both him and Ehmer should be dropped Saturday and make Baldwin captain with either Little or Grant alongside him to add a little bit of pace to the back four.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Feb 3, 2021 15:43:34 GMT
The only thing I can see coming out of this is that if we get relegated we will have so many candidates to choose from for who's fault it is, and we can all have a massive fight about it.... 2011 déjà vu So we'll still be discussing who's fault it is in 2030 then seeing as we're still not agreed on the Trolls era!
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Post by tbonegas on Feb 3, 2021 15:51:37 GMT
Amazing that people would even consider playing Alfie saturday. He was awful last night and possible even worse than Ehmer. Personally I think he is League 2 standard at best MOST of the time at the moment. He looks in a daze half of the time and has just kept losing his man all season. I think both him and Ehmer should be dropped Saturday and make Baldwin captain with either Little or Grant alongside him to add a little bit of pace to the back four. Replacing the useless Ehmer and Kilgour with the equally useless Baldwin and Little or Grant. Mr SteveK92,I think you have lost the plot. They need replacing,but not with the players you mention.
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 3, 2021 15:52:10 GMT
Tony Adams lives in the Cotswolds, and has said that he would like to be involved in football again at some point. Ask him if he's interested in coaching our defence for a couple of days a week. I happen to think that is a great idea.
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 3, 2021 15:55:26 GMT
Baldwin was very good against Peterborough and Grant/Little have not played in the middle although that was their original positions. Mind you I take your point and if it was the end of the season would suggest getting rid of all of them together with Harries and Leahy.
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Post by fanatical on Feb 3, 2021 15:57:04 GMT
But change will cost Wael a lot of money. That's one of the joys of running your own business, you have to pay for making mistakes. Which is a shame when he ain't got a lot of money anymore. The vultures must be circling in anticipation.
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Post by bluegas on Feb 3, 2021 16:04:12 GMT
That's one of the joys of running your own business, you have to pay for making mistakes. Which is a shame when he ain't got a lot of money anymore. The vultures must be circling in anticipation. Like to share with us what he has got/is worth?
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Post by fanatical on Feb 3, 2021 16:04:45 GMT
I think the problem goes much deeper than the playing and coaching and sadly right to the very top. I think Weal is a great and kind person and I am sure he only wants what is best for Bristol Rovers. Unfortunately I don't think he has any Ideal how to run this football club. I thinks we are missing having directors and people in the club who grew up as supporters of the club. The club just doesn't feel like Bristol Rovers anymore. All of Weals money is not going to sort this mess out. It is going to take years to replace everything we had here that has been lost or dismantled since Weal took over. So right and proof that being 'nice' is not the solution.
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Post by gregsy on Feb 3, 2021 16:08:06 GMT
The only thing I can see coming out of this is that if we get relegated we will have so many candidates to choose from for who's fault it is, and we can all have a massive fight about it.... 2011 déjà vu So we'll still be discussing who's fault it is in 2030 then seeing as we're still not agreed on the Trolls era! I think it'll take a little longer than that dude.... Very long piece of string....
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 3, 2021 16:17:54 GMT
That's one of the joys of running your own business, you have to pay for making mistakes. Which is a shame when he ain't got a lot of money anymore. The vultures must be circling in anticipation. Here he is again....banging the same old drum.
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