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Post by axegas on Mar 20, 2021 23:56:03 GMT
Ignoring managers for a minute and focussing on the team, in a lot of our games since Barton has taken charge, our three best players have been Ayunga, Nicholson and Rodman. With the latter two out, we’re realistically going to struggle even more than we had been doing previously. We pressed well today and had good patches but there was no quality in the final third, 20 shots very few of them troubling the opposition keeper, no quality to bring on from the bench to change the game either. That’s the challenge Barton now faces, there’s just not many goals in this side, Leahy won’t score in every game from the wingback position. We pressed well today ? when ? five mins before they scored and a spell in the last 15 of the second half that’s not pressing well that’s pressing when they were probably urged to do so by a furious manager who could hear us 120 miles miles away moaning they weren’t pressing well everyone but you obvs 🙄 So you ask me when, but then answer for me by stating that there were periods in the game where we pressed well. Nice one. That’s all I was alluding to, there were periods of the game where Barton got us up the pitch to press their defence. Too little too late obviously but still an improvement on Tisdale imo.
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 21, 2021 0:05:00 GMT
We pressed well today ? when ? five mins before they scored and a spell in the last 15 of the second half that’s not pressing well that’s pressing when they were probably urged to do so by a furious manager who could hear us 120 miles miles away moaning they weren’t pressing well everyone but you obvs 🙄 So you ask me when, but then answer for me by stating that there were periods in the game where we pressed well. Nice one. That’s all I was alluding to, there were periods of the game where Barton got us up the pitch to press their defence. Too little too late obviously but still an improvement on Tisdale imo. 100 per cent agree that Joseph is an improvement on Tisdale, he will get this club moving in the right direction I do recall you were fervently opposed to Jb have you thawed out ? my point on pressing was that whilst we did press well in parts, it wasn’t sustained enough to be effective like it was at Charlton pressing well isn’t something you do then don’t do, it has to be constant. And this team doesn’t have the energy to do that unfortunately playing every 3-4 days
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Post by axegas on Mar 21, 2021 0:10:48 GMT
So you ask me when, but then answer for me by stating that there were periods in the game where we pressed well. Nice one. That’s all I was alluding to, there were periods of the game where Barton got us up the pitch to press their defence. Too little too late obviously but still an improvement on Tisdale imo. 100 per cent agree that Joseph is an improvement on Tisdale, he will get this club moving in the right direction I do recall you were fervently opposed to Jb have you thawed out ? my point on pressing was that whilst we did press well in parts, it wasn’t sustained enough to be effective like it was was a Charlton pressing well isn’t something you do then don’t do, it has to be constant. And this team doesn’t have the energy to do that unfortunately playing every 3-4 days No still “fervently” opposed to his presence as manager, but sort of just ignoring that and trying to support the team. I think parts of our game are slightly better under Barton than Tisdale, but results haven’t picked up. Which is disappointing. The Plymouth co-commentator made a comment that I thought was pertinent about our pressing, he said we weren’t getting tight enough to Plymouth players, that we were working hard but not doing a good enough job. The application is there, but the teamwork and technique is lacking at the minute.
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Post by daniel300380 on Mar 21, 2021 0:20:38 GMT
U r having a laugh regarding Tisdale did not make any attacking signings in January but decided to bring in a full back don’t put this on Joey Barton this squad is crap Are you seriously telling me Tisdale didn’t want a striker? We needed a right back, ones permanently injured and the other is non league standard. Williams is an upgrade on the pair of them. PT said when he joined us, he does not sign loan player’s, unless there is a change of a permanent deal. He said the same in January again. He went for Stockley on loan, as he knew him. Most clubs that strengthened in January, brought in loan player’s. When you listen to commentary on games, other teams always have loan player’s in there teams. At this level you need them. JLM was sent back and not replaced, so we actually have less attacking options now, than earlier in the season. A striker and winger on loan, would have made a big difference. We have no goal scorers. But now Rodman and Nicklson are out, we have no player’s who take player’s on and create space for other’s.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 21, 2021 0:23:30 GMT
FWIW: In the matches since JBs appointment we have played ok. Our set ups have been good and we’ve played on the front foot. We should have got more points than we have done but we haven’t. Our performances have been consistent and far better than those under the previous two managers. At least I see his plan. The players are at least trying to do what he’s set up to do. Under Tis it was clear he had lost them. We play ok for long periods then make basic errors in defence, the third goal at Charlton and both today. The squad lacks scorers and our two best players under JB, Nicholson and Rodman are out. JB was struggling before, without those two we look in even deeper trouble. If JB is allowed to manage and get players in that he wants we will be ok next season. Fingers crossed it’s in League 1.
And finally despite everything amazingly we’re not even in the bottom 4! Need to win against Swindon obviously but this league is a bit crazy. A win every now and again and we could be ok. UTG!
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 21, 2021 0:23:38 GMT
100 per cent agree that Joseph is an improvement on Tisdale, he will get this club moving in the right direction I do recall you were fervently opposed to Jb have you thawed out ? my point on pressing was that whilst we did press well in parts, it wasn’t sustained enough to be effective like it was was a Charlton pressing well isn’t something you do then don’t do, it has to be constant. And this team doesn’t have the energy to do that unfortunately playing every 3-4 days No still “fervently” opposed to his presence as manager, but sort of just ignoring that and trying to support the team. I think parts of our game are slightly better under Barton than Tisdale, but results haven’t picked up. Which is disappointing. The Plymouth co-commentator made a comment that I thought was pertinent about our pressing, he said we weren’t getting tight enough to Plymouth players, that we were working hard but not doing a good enough job. The application is there, but the teamwork and technique is lacking at the minute. I think you’ve hit the nail on the head parts of our game are better (we play on the front foot ) at times it looks a lot prettier (goals v Accrington ) and we have reduced the amount of shots incoming The next bit of the jigsaw is stringing two wins together, a clean sheet, getting some belief and confidence into the team And ten games to crack the nut
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 21, 2021 0:24:22 GMT
Are you seriously telling me Tisdale didn’t want a striker? We needed a right back, ones permanently injured and the other is non league standard. Williams is an upgrade on the pair of them. PT said when he joined us, he does not sign loan player’s, unless there is a change of a permanent deal. He said the same in January again. He went for Stockley on loan, as he knew him. Most clubs that strengthened in January, brought in loan player’s. When you listen to commentary on games, other teams always have loan player’s in there teams. At this level you need them. JLM was sent back and not replaced, so we actually have less attacking options now, than earlier in the season. A striker and winger on loan, would have made a big difference. We have no goal scorers. But now Rodman and Nicklson are out, we have no player’s who take player’s on and create space for other’s. So are you blaming Tisdale for that or Barron who has been flogging Nicholson when he’s been injured and now is out for the season? J.B is blameless for that? Or will he bring up another round bite like Garner?
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Post by daniel300380 on Mar 21, 2021 0:34:38 GMT
PT said when he joined us, he does not sign loan player’s, unless there is a change of a permanent deal. He said the same in January again. He went for Stockley on loan, as he knew him. Most clubs that strengthened in January, brought in loan player’s. When you listen to commentary on games, other teams always have loan player’s in there teams. At this level you need them. JLM was sent back and not replaced, so we actually have less attacking options now, than earlier in the season. A striker and winger on loan, would have made a big difference. We have no goal scorers. But now Rodman and Nicklson are out, we have no player’s who take player’s on and create space for other’s. So are you blaming Tisdale for that or Barron who has been flogging Nicholson when he’s been injured and now is out for the season? J.B is blameless for that? Or will he bring up another round bite like Garner? The medical team and player will decide who can play. It was PT who decided Nicholson was ok to play with his injury. He brought him back in to the team, with the injury, before Barton took over. You decided to forget that bit though??? So yes I am blaming PT, as he didn’t replace JLM who was the cover for that position. How can Barton replace him, when the shut?
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Post by Somersetgas on Mar 21, 2021 0:54:45 GMT
So are you blaming Tisdale for that or Barron who has been flogging Nicholson when he’s been injured and now is out for the season? J.B is blameless for that? Or will he bring up another round bite like Garner? The medical team and player will decide who can play. It was PT who decided Nicholson was ok to play with his injury. He brought him back in to the team, with the injury, before Barton took over. You decided to forget that bit though??? So yes I am blaming PT, as he didn’t replace JLM who was the cover for that position. How can Barton replace him, when the shut? . Barton is the Manager and had continued to play him, but sorry I forgot we aren’t allowed to criticise Saint Joey.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Mar 21, 2021 1:54:23 GMT
Joey Barton hasn't had the chance to bring in one player he rates. BG and tis both had a chance to. Anybody can see the way jb wants us to play, he just doesn't have the squad depth to play the way he wants to. Despite JBs past, he isn't a has been, knows the league well and what it takes to win. I don't for one minute blame him for results, he's just doing the best with the hand he's been dealt. What I've found frustrating is on the whole lots of performances have been very encouraging, but not reflected in the number of points earned. Again if jb was manager from the start of the season I'd say we'd be top 10. I think half the problem is that there are a few people here who actively dislike/hate Barton as a person, so aren’t willing to give him any leeway at all as a manager. A bit like all those anti-Brexit people who actively want the country to fail, just so they can say “I told you so”. I don’t care what he’s done in the past as long as he does the job for Rovers.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Mar 21, 2021 2:49:43 GMT
We've had 117 shots in those 8 games and scored 9 goals. We've had 81 shots against us and conceded 12 goals. In those 8 games only 25 opposition shots have been on target, 12 resulting in goals. These stats would have been more heavily in our favour if McCormick hadn't been sent off at Burton because they had barely had a shot prior to that. Performances have improved but results haven't because neither Garner or Tisdale signed a proven goalscorer and decided to release our best 2 centre backs, Craig and Davies. Barton has also had bad luck with injuries. He's never been able to play Jaakkola or Ogogo and now has another 3 important first team players missing through injury, Grant, Rodman and Nicholson. I'm confident Barton is the right man for the job but I'm not confident we'll stay up because of the mess he inherited. This . . .
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 21, 2021 6:14:17 GMT
I’ve wanted staff but the budget hasn’t allowed no matter how much appealing I have tried. Money was available. Hence why he was allowed to chase Stockley all window missing out on various decent enough options who went elsewhere where. Or we chased Stockley knowing full well we'd never sign for us so we'd ever have to pay his wages? All the rumoured targets seemed way outside of our salary budget.
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Post by Marshy on Mar 21, 2021 6:17:45 GMT
f**king ridiculous! How can you blame Grant, Rodman and Nicholson for getting injured? Jesus wept! I think he meant the players collectively are to blame for our league position, not blaming them for being injured Whooooooosh!
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Post by baggins on Mar 21, 2021 6:32:57 GMT
Barton is the only one of the three Managers who9 has had to do it without ANY control over incomings. He is the best man for the job and will prove to be a good Manager whichever League we are in next season. He has had the least luck with the loss of Grant, Rodman and Nicholson. The players are to blame totally. f**king ridiculous! How can you blame Grant, Rodman and Nicholson for getting injured? Jesus wept! Agreed. However, maybe we ought to question why our injuries are taking so long to recover?
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Post by Marshy on Mar 21, 2021 6:44:10 GMT
f**king ridiculous! How can you blame Grant, Rodman and Nicholson for getting injured? Jesus wept! Agreed. However, maybe we ought to question why our injuries are taking so long to recover? It was tongue in cheek bags, but your point is extremely valid.
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Post by garystash on Mar 21, 2021 7:02:50 GMT
Hopefully Anssi will be back soon and our defence will improve. A great keeper will communicate well with his defence and from that comes confidence.
Then if our forward line can start finishing chances - which I think they are capable of doing - we will be an entirely different team results wise.
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Post by peterparker on Mar 21, 2021 7:33:30 GMT
If we are going down it doesnt matter who the manager is or were. This is why TW should have kept the job for the season, because he was actually best placed of anyone to keep us up.
I wasnt supportive of the Barton appointment, but he can only play the hand he has been dealt.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 21, 2021 7:35:41 GMT
I believe he has brought in or is trying to instil the practice of Kaizen: “Kaizen is a Japanese term meaning "change for the better" or "continuous improvement." It is a Japanese business philosophy regarding the processes that continuously improve operations and involve all employees. Kaizen sees improvement in productivity as a gradual and methodical process. The concept of kaizen encompasses a wide range of ideas. It involves making the work environment more efficient and effective by creating a team atmosphere, improving everyday procedures, ensuring employee engagement, and making a job up more fulfilling, less tiring, and safer.” As a manufacturing guru I am familiar with the concept of Kaizen and have often implemented it in my longer term projects. Of course the idea of continuous improvement, measured in a series of tiny increments is attractive and sustainable...but we do not have longer term, we need now. On a point of pendentary, Kaizen isn’t an “up to date idea”, it’s been around for centuries. I imagine it to be “new” to this crop of players but totally get ya point about the here and now and the fact it’s been around for ages
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 8:10:33 GMT
Money was available. Hence why he was allowed to chase Stockley all window missing out on various decent enough options who went elsewhere where. Or we chased Stockley knowing full well we'd never sign for us so we'd ever have to pay his wages? All the rumoured targets seemed way outside of our salary budget. Got a tin foil hat on today mate?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 21, 2021 8:29:23 GMT
Posters saying they don't want Barton simply aren't Gasheads, you just have to listen to any of his interviews to know he has more about him than any of our recent managers.
As far as Paul Cook and Nigel Adkins it's pretty clear now we never had a chance of employing either as they'd set their sights higher. Our best hope would have been Duff but I doubt he'd cope with the task Barton faces now and in the summer.
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