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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 24, 2021 13:39:06 GMT
Sorry but that is rubbish. There was nothing to suggest that BG would have kept us up.He took us from 4th in L1, had a chance to completely rebuild that winning squad to fit in with his style š¤Ŗš§š„“ and f**ked up.He was a dull, un-interesting,souless and un-inspiring "quote" filled modern day football coach. Awlful... Why is it rubbish we will never know if Ben Garner could have turned things around. At the time we were doing ok nothing spectacular but as stated before a whole new team were always going to be inconsistent the 1st season it's put together. Garner built his team to his vision and then trained them all pre season to play to a certain style. We panicked and pushed the button way to early and then rushed the appointment of Tisdale through. For me this all lies with the people at the top as they made all the decisions of hiring/firing and changing the way we operate. This should have been phased in gradually not all at once and Garner isn't to blame he was acting on what he was told to do,bring in youth improve them and then sell the odd one or two on for a profit. If BG was still in charge I am pretty sure we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. Garner is the problem, only the blind and the Sh1!heads thought he was doing a good job. By any measure heās the worst manager in our history and his performance is spectacularly bad when he had to dismantle a successful team to achieve his failures. Cheerleaders for him, like you are part of the problem and have contributed to him being here last summer to put his big fat cherry on top of the shitcake heād been baking since the day he took over. You are right though if heād stayed we wouldnāt be in this current mess of fighting desperately to stay up because weād have likely been relegated already!
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Post by Icegas on Mar 24, 2021 14:24:48 GMT
Sorry but that is rubbish. There was nothing to suggest that BG would have kept us up.He took us from 4th in L1, had a chance to completely rebuild that winning squad to fit in with his style š¤Ŗš§š„“ and f**ked up.He was a dull, un-interesting,souless and un-inspiring "quote" filled modern day football coach. Awlful... Why is it rubbish we will never know if Ben Garner could have turned things around. At the time we were doing ok nothing spectacular but as stated before a whole new team were always going to be inconsistent the 1st season it's put together. Garner built his team to his vision and then trained them all pre season to play to a certain style. We panicked and pushed the button way to early and then rushed the appointment of Tisdale through. For me this all lies with the people at the top as they made all the decisions of hiring/firing and changing the way we operate. This should have been phased in gradually not all at once and Garner isn't to blame he was acting on what he was told to do,bring in youth improve them and then sell the odd one or two on for a profit. If BG was still in charge I am pretty sure we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. I agree with the rushed appointment of PT.But in all fairness he did tick most boxes we were looking at the time, so I can see why they appointed him. I also get the point of phasing it in gradually, but we did not, and that's the part of the blame Wael has to take (by not putting the right people under him to make the right calls in terms of appointments, and recruitment. Etc. ) And that needs addressing during the summer regardless of what league we are in ASAP.. I blame BG for breaking up GC side.It may not had been to the long term project, but we didn't need to dismantle that side like he did as quick, and it should have done so over a few seasons. BG was terrible.There was no progress under him,both with his team and last seasons that was GC's.He took us from 4th in L1 and has played his part in where we are today. How anyone could say that we would not be in the position we are now if BG was still here is madness.. If he had stayed we may not have got the couple of wins under TW, the little run under PT or the 2 wins..? Under JB. At the moment we are in the bottom for, 2 points adrift but not cut off from the pack.But if I'm a betting man Im sure we are going to finish bottom now due to these group of players, but we still can very much stay up given the points left to play for! Under BG there was no sign of any improvement,and two other managers since him in both PT and JB, are both much more proven than BG and they can't get anything out of this group of footballing losers. For me it looks like L2.I don't want us there, but it's not the disaster it has been before.I have faith in Wael,he has is heart and wallet in the right place,but he does need to get better people around him at board level over the summer. In JB I think we have a diamond.Someone that I think gets us,our culture and is not a yes man like BG was.He is a talented young coach who won't take any sh** from these players and has, and will call them out for stealing a wage atm. We may have to go backwards jn order to go forwards, but I have faith like I did with DC that Joey is the right man for the job.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 24, 2021 14:33:42 GMT
Hey I'm not ever gonna be the sort of person to tell you so, but... I posted this on September 19th: How long do we give BG? (Thread) Matthew 7:5 " 'You hypocrite! First, remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brotherās eye.' Well, I've tried... BG should not be our manager at this time. We've wasted another week before transfer window closes and we could have invested more time and money in a different candidate with proven record in this division. All I've (and others) have ever wanted to do, was remove the rose tinted splinter in some of your eyes." Many here wanted to give BG a season or longer. Maybe out of blind loyalty, which I admire. Even watching BG matches were awful, he had no idea in tactics or how to change a game, slow to react. His acquisitions on paper were generally encouraging, but on grass were appalling. As ever we had our chances, we didn't take them when presented and find ourselves where we are.....5 years of improvement on improvement to get to a promotion challenging team to something now that won't amount to a hill of beans. It's been woeful all round. Wasnāt that just before we went on a run of 3 wins and a draw in 4? Without which weād now be 100% relegated rather than 99.9% relegated. Hehe! That actually made me laugh out loud! Haha! It's like a child choosing to see what they want.....and forgetting about the previous months and season we were woeful. My post above regurgitated was the last in a series leading up to transfer window close, where from the curtailment of the season we should have removed BG, thanked him for his efforts, and moved on and invested in a serious candidate for management in this division. Someone with experience, knowledge and contacts. Not someone playing with their beard in a David Brent way and making like for like subs on circa 69 mins. And starting Alfie on the left(?). And then the right (??). And not bringing in credible striker replacement for JCH. And not blaming the journey post match first competitive fixture when you start with NO strikers!? But hey, there was a window of 3/4 wins and a draw in your convenient forget all else post.
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Post by henry on Mar 24, 2021 15:06:22 GMT
You have obviously forgotten Micky Evans, Jefferson Louis and Justin Richards who Holloway paid Ā£100,000 for?! god alive they really are bang your head against the wall signings and beg for the white coats. See oddly I didnāt mind Evans, was never a goal scorer though, Iāll raise you a Scott Jones to that list, purely on that penalty he should have scored. Well no, Evans played out wide mostly when I seen him play as for Scott Jones not a bad left back considering but for that penalty I blame Steve Phillips for saving it!
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Post by landrover on Mar 24, 2021 15:36:19 GMT
Iāve spent some of the morning reading old posts relating to BG and his Merry band of posters. I wonāt name them even though many no longer post. Canāt blame them as plain stupid would be the least offensive description. Thereās even a video of a premiership team and how they do it. I had to check it wasnāt April Fools day. Seeing how analogies are a popular way of sending out a message (not least by our manager), hereās one. Iāve just lost the first two sets 6-0,6-0 and are 5-1 down in the third. Donāt get the chance to finish as itās raining. My thinking would be that Iām useless at tennis. Their thinking would be that they were turning the corner if only it hadnāt rained.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Mar 24, 2021 16:21:49 GMT
Some really really bizarre shouts in this thread....
- 'GC was pushed out!' He quite literally told us he was leaving to be closer to home, complete nonsense to say that he was pushed. - 'BG was hanging around the place begging for the job!' I mean, I don't even know where to Dam start with this one! What is wrong with some people.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Mar 24, 2021 16:37:49 GMT
Why is it rubbish we will never know if Ben Garner could have turned things around. At the time we were doing ok nothing spectacular but as stated before a whole new team were always going to be inconsistent the 1st season it's put together. Garner built his team to his vision and then trained them all pre season to play to a certain style. We panicked and pushed the button way to early and then rushed the appointment of Tisdale through. For me this all lies with the people at the top as they made all the decisions of hiring/firing and changing the way we operate. This should have been phased in gradually not all at once and Garner isn't to blame he was acting on what he was told to do,bring in youth improve them and then sell the odd one or two on for a profit. If BG was still in charge I am pretty sure we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. I agree with the rushed appointment of PT.But in all fairness he did tick most boxes we were looking at the time, so I can see why they appointed him. I also get the point of phasing it in gradually, but we did not, and that's the part of the blame Wael has to take (by not putting the right people under him to make the right calls in terms of appointments, and recruitment. Etc. ) And that needs addressing during the summer regardless of what league we are in ASAP.. I blame BG for breaking up GC side.It may not had been to the long term project, but we didn't need to dismantle that side like he did as quick, and it should have done so over a few seasons. BG was terrible.There was no progress under him,both with his team and last seasons that was GC's.He took us from 4th in L1 and has played his part in where we are today. How anyone could say that we would not be in the position we are now if BG was still here is madness.. If he had stayed we may not have got the couple of wins under TW, the little run under PT or the 2 wins..? Under JB. At the moment we are in the bottom for, 2 points adrift but not cut off from the pack.But if I'm a betting man Im sure we are going to finish bottom now due to these group of players, but we still can very much stay up given the points left to play for! Under BG there was no sign of any improvement,and two other managers since him in both PT and JB, are both much more proven than BG and they can't get anything out of this group of footballing losers. For me it looks like L2.I don't want us there, but it's not the disaster it has been before.I have faith in Wael,he has is heart and wallet in the right place,but he does need to get better people around him at board level over the summer. In JB I think we have a diamond.Someone that I think gets us,our culture and is not a yes man like BG was.He is a talented young coach who won't take any sh** from these players and has, and will call them out for stealing a wage atm. We may have to go backwards jn order to go forwards, but I have faith like I did with DC that Joey is the right man for the job. I have no problem with JB and I am fully behind him and think he will turn us around unfortunately I think it will be in league 2 next season. In reference to BG yes he pulled a team apart and I was concerned like most about it as you can't bring that many players in and get them to gel instantly it dosent work like that. It was done as part of Wael trying to make us self sufficient and get away from paying average players too much money with no sell on value. I get the plan just not the way it was implemented and I don't hold that against BG it was what was asked of him and as an inexperienced manager I think too much was asked of him. I also don't believe we would be in this mess now as BG could get people to buy into his ideas and could attract players to join so the January transfer window would have been so much more interesting as I believe he would have got people in where it was needed. Another to think about is would we have had such an injury list if he was still in charge as PT played a near full strength side in a pointless cup competition which led to AJ getting injured. I think BG would have mixed it up a lot more and more fringe players would have got more minutes. All speculation but I understand why people are blaming him we all see it differently.
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Post by Icegas on Mar 24, 2021 17:39:18 GMT
I agree with the rushed appointment of PT.But in all fairness he did tick most boxes we were looking at the time, so I can see why they appointed him. I also get the point of phasing it in gradually, but we did not, and that's the part of the blame Wael has to take (by not putting the right people under him to make the right calls in terms of appointments, and recruitment. Etc. ) And that needs addressing during the summer regardless of what league we are in ASAP.. I blame BG for breaking up GC side.It may not had been to the long term project, but we didn't need to dismantle that side like he did as quick, and it should have done so over a few seasons. BG was terrible.There was no progress under him,both with his team and last seasons that was GC's.He took us from 4th in L1 and has played his part in where we are today. How anyone could say that we would not be in the position we are now if BG was still here is madness.. If he had stayed we may not have got the couple of wins under TW, the little run under PT or the 2 wins..? Under JB. At the moment we are in the bottom for, 2 points adrift but not cut off from the pack.But if I'm a betting man Im sure we are going to finish bottom now due to these group of players, but we still can very much stay up given the points left to play for! Under BG there was no sign of any improvement,and two other managers since him in both PT and JB, are both much more proven than BG and they can't get anything out of this group of footballing losers. For me it looks like L2.I don't want us there, but it's not the disaster it has been before.I have faith in Wael,he has is heart and wallet in the right place,but he does need to get better people around him at board level over the summer. In JB I think we have a diamond.Someone that I think gets us,our culture and is not a yes man like BG was.He is a talented young coach who won't take any sh** from these players and has, and will call them out for stealing a wage atm. We may have to go backwards jn order to go forwards, but I have faith like I did with DC that Joey is the right man for the job. I have no problem with JB and I am fully behind him and think he will turn us around unfortunately I think it will be in league 2 next season. In reference to BG yes he pulled a team apart and I was concerned like most about it as you can't bring that many players in and get them to gel instantly it dosent work like that. It was done as part of Wael trying to make us self sufficient and get away from paying average players too much money with no sell on value. I get the plan just not the way it was implemented and I don't hold that against BG it was what was asked of him and as an inexperienced manager I think too much was asked of him. I also don't believe we would be in this mess now as BG could get people to buy into his ideas and could attract players to join so the January transfer window would have been so much more interesting as I believe he would have got people in where it was needed. Another to think about is would we have had such an injury list if he was still in charge as PT played a near full strength side in a pointless cup competition which led to AJ getting injured. I think BG would have mixed it up a lot more and more fringe players would have got more minutes. All speculation but I understand why people are blaming him we all see it differently. You make good points there mate.I didn't think about it that way.. IMHO...BG shouldn't have been in a football league dugout given his lack of experience apart from that of a coach. He certainly shouldn't have been given the task for a long term project that Wael and the club wants to undertake.Im in favour of "Gasball" as it should be called now lol.But I'm also old school and like a manager to have time to manage..2/3 seasons.However when you break up a side 4th in L1 midway thru a season like BG and,maybe others did..and then you go on a run both last season from when he took over - until November like BG did you can't argue that he should stay in charge regardless of my old school views.
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Post by theduke on Mar 24, 2021 17:58:56 GMT
Some really really bizarre shouts in this thread.... - 'GC was pushed out!' He quite literally told us he was leaving to be closer to home, complete nonsense to say that he was pushed. - 'BG was hanging around the place begging for the job!' I mean, I don't even know where to f**king start with this one! What is wrong with some people. I think they were keen on Garner when Coughlan was interim manager and I don't think that interest ever really went away. Let's put it this way, he was certainly not unfamiliar with the club by the time he was actually appointed, that's for sure.
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Post by 4d on Mar 24, 2021 18:05:20 GMT
Some really really bizarre shouts in this thread.... - 'GC was pushed out!' He quite literally told us he was leaving to be closer to home, complete nonsense to say that he was pushed. - 'BG was hanging around the place begging for the job!' I mean, I don't even know where to f**king start with this one! What is wrong with some people. GC already knew the club wanted to go in a different direction, pretty clear from this before the Ipswich game...
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Post by socrates on Mar 24, 2021 18:10:50 GMT
Tisdale was a sh** appointment from day one. Barton has a proven record at this level at a smaller club, presumably with smaller budget. His teams were hard to beat and played nice football. I dont think you can blame Barton for this awful team. Good managers find a way to get results. Tisdale barely had a chance. looks like Barton will get 500+ games whatever happens. I donāt know about 500+ whatever happens but I think that we should give him next season until at least the winter window to see what he can do. We canāt keep on sacking managers and going through three a season like we have this season because if we do weāll be back in the conference in just over a year from now. Itāll be amazing if we stay up this season because clubs that have 3 managers in one season get relegated.
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Post by theduke on Mar 24, 2021 18:14:20 GMT
Good managers find a way to get results. Tisdale barely had a chance. looks like Barton will get 500+ games whatever happens. I donāt know about 500+ whatever happens but I think that we should give him next season until at least the winter window to see what he can do. We canāt keep on sacking managers and going through three a season like we have this season because if we do weāll be back in the conference in just over a year from now. Itāll be amazing if we stay up this season because clubs that have 3 managers in one season get relegated. I agree with you that he should still be here next season whatever happens, and I've gone on the record as predicting that we'll finish bottom, but the way he's conducted himself the past few days says to me that he is digging a grave for himself if he's not careful. And I say that as somebody who pretty much agrees with everything he's said.
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Post by socrates on Mar 24, 2021 18:49:35 GMT
I donāt know about 500+ whatever happens but I think that we should give him next season until at least the winter window to see what he can do. We canāt keep on sacking managers and going through three a season like we have this season because if we do weāll be back in the conference in just over a year from now. Itāll be amazing if we stay up this season because clubs that have 3 managers in one season get relegated. I agree with you that he should still be here next season whatever happens, and I've gone on the record as predicting that we'll finish bottom, but the way he's conducted himself the past few days says to me that he is digging a grave for himself if he's not careful.Ā And I say that as somebody who pretty much agrees with everything he's said.Ā Yeah I feel that same, to talk about a great reset now with 9 games to go and weāve still got a chance of staying up - 27 points but no transfer window is very honest but also dangerous talk.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 24, 2021 19:56:43 GMT
I like honest talk . Makes a change , ! Utg
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Post by playtowin on Mar 25, 2021 7:42:09 GMT
You have obviously forgotten Micky Evans, Jefferson Louis and Justin Richards who Holloway paid Ā£100,000 for?! god alive they really are bang your head against the wall signings and beg for the white coats. See oddly I didnāt mind Evans, was never a goal scorer though, Iāll raise you a Scott Jones to that list, purely on that penalty he should have scored. I think scott jones was brave and took one for the team that night. Thick slippery mud, pouring rain and against city with relegation at stake. Everything going against you. He also knew he wasnt popular with many fans anyway. Not the best spotkick ,but had a younger player taken it and missed that could have damaged their career big time after the amount of bile spilled at jones afterwards.
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Post by lavalamp on Mar 25, 2021 12:16:07 GMT
Garnerball had a fit Jakkola, PT and Joseph didn't.
Results a coincidence or not?
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 12:26:46 GMT
Some really really bizarre shouts in this thread.... - 'GC was pushed out!' He quite literally told us he was leaving to be closer to home, complete nonsense to say that he was pushed. - 'BG was hanging around the place begging for the job!' I mean, I don't even know where to f**king start with this one! What is wrong with some people. There is an overwhelming desire among many to believe that everything the club does is evil or inept and that whatever it is the most recent blow-in says is the absolute gospel truth and the answer to cure all ills.
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Post by 4d on Mar 25, 2021 19:50:35 GMT
Garnerball had a fit Jakkola, PT and Joseph didn't. Results a coincidence or not? Not in his last game unfortunately when a JVS comedy show helped get him the boot.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Mar 25, 2021 20:04:26 GMT
Garnerball had a fit Jakkola, PT and Joseph didn't. Results a coincidence or not? Tisdale did have AJ to start with and then played him in the pointless trophy where he picked up the injury. No other manager I can remember played there 1st choice keeper in the competition until it got to the final stages so only has himself to blame there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 20:09:05 GMT
Garnerball had a fit Jakkola, PT and Joseph didn't. Results a coincidence or not? Tisdale did have AJ to start with and then played him in the pointless trophy where he picked up the injury. No other manager I can remember played there 1st choice keeper in the competition until it got to the final stages so only has himself to blame there. Really? You will be blaming Roger Milford for Paul Gascoigne's cup final injury next.
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