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Post by bluebiro on Mar 29, 2021 17:46:18 GMT
I was thinking the same. That commute must be a bitch to see his family once a week. How long can he do that for? As many football managers work miles away from where they live as don’t! Neil Warnock lives in Cornwall doesn’t stop him managing Middlesbrough, Tony Pulis in Bournemouth didn’t worry about managing Stoke City for 10 years. Rafa Benitez on the Wirral managing Newcastle. Does Darell Clarke live in Burslem? Does Ryan Lowe live in Plymouth? Gerry Francis lived in Surrey when he managed us. and holloway lived wherever his heart was
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Post by landrover on Mar 29, 2021 18:36:43 GMT
Genuinely lost for words on the number of Garner apologists out there! I think his performance as Rovers manager, both on and off the field, was an absolute disgrace. I couldn't care less if he was a nice fella or not - the fact is that he dismantled a team that, in the previous 46 games, was second in the form table (was placed handily in 4th in the actual table) and put together this horrible, disjointed, gutless mess of a squad we've been forced to endure ever since. Tisdale and Barton don't escape criticism either but this fella had the crucial period, the pre-season, to at least get these lads fit and he didn't manage it because he wanted to focus on other things. Training was such a joke that he had to bring in his bezzie mate, Steve Coppell, to try and run it. How did that go by the way? A manager with balls would have told TW straight that we were light up front. That we didn't need a 4th left back. That we didn't need a central midfielder who is no better than the lads in the development squad. That our backup goalkeeper is not good enough to play professional football. And so on and so on. I couldn't care less that he's inexperienced - do you think a similarly inexperienced Barton would have stood for this crap? ”Genuinely lost for words” isn’t normally followed by a 250 worded rant! Other than that I agree with what you say. What I found interesting was that Garner’s coaching credentials couldn’t have been that great. Ollie never took him with him when he left Palace for Millwall, Warnock neither when he went to QPR and then into Rotherham and Cardiff. Pardew didn’t take him to WBA. Only Pulis took him to West Brom yet not onto Middlesbrough. Coppell didn’t exactly come to his rescue when he was needed. Funnily enough I don’t blame Garner, more so Wael, Starnes and Widdrington.
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 29, 2021 18:49:05 GMT
Genuine question, is the rumour true about 100 or so gas heads protesting the board at the mem on Saturday?
I’ve seen nothing in the media but been told about it twice now.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 29, 2021 18:49:29 GMT
Warnock's in his 70's and Pulis in his late 50's, I doubt either have young kids who need bed time stories read and help with their home work etc? If Barton can get a job nearer his home I sense he'll be off like a shot, it's not like he has to build his reputation up like Lose at Plymouth. You are an ASSHOLE big time. JB children are very young , I can see all this commuting becoming a problem , unless of course they decide to relocate . Utg
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 29, 2021 18:51:14 GMT
As many football managers work miles away from where they live as don’t! Neil Warnock lives in Cornwall doesn’t stop him managing Middlesbrough, Tony Pulis in Bournemouth didn’t worry about managing Stoke City for 10 years. Rafa Benitez on the Wirral managing Newcastle. Does Darell Clarke live in Burslem? Does Ryan Lowe live in Plymouth? Gerry Francis lived in Surrey when he managed us. and holloway lived wherever his heart was Mmmmmmm 🤐🤐🤐
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Post by aghast on Mar 29, 2021 20:48:33 GMT
The longer this free fall catastrophe goes on, the more and more I am thinking:
a) Garner really ruined the club's future b) Tisdale wasn't given a fair chance c) Barton is a bit of a disaster
a) is obvious to all but a few flat earthers b) is nothing but speculation c) confirms what many of us thought when he was announced
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Post by Colyton Gas on Mar 29, 2021 20:56:19 GMT
The longer this free fall catastrophe goes on, the more and more I am thinking: a) Garner really ruined the club's future b) Tisdale wasn't given a fair chance c) Barton is a bit of a disaster a) is obvious to all but a few flat earthers b) is nothing but speculation c) confirms what many of us thought when he was announced Think all but the odd Rose Tinter accepts BG was a total disaster and that the club is sinking fast.Team dreadful ,stadium simply not fit for purpose but the Quarters a notable positive. We never score,lose to teams like Swindon,Accrington put 6 past us and the lack of leadership within the club fills me with despair.
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 30, 2021 18:14:22 GMT
Hang on MOST of you on this board were saying Garners signings were exciting and he was going to play exciting attacking football and it will be so much better that Coughlins team
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 31, 2021 8:31:04 GMT
If I look at myself and knowing that I am a Rose tinter in life generally, I definitely backed the idea of Ben Garner, I convinced myself that the players were good enough that we brought in the summer and to an extent I still think majority are, just having to the try a gel a whole squad of newbies in a different playing style was going to take time... I remember that dreaded feeling, 'actually this isn't working' and latched onto the inexperience of BG as my excuse. I felt a bit sad as I was dreaming that it would work and those little sparky bits in matches kept igniting the dream. Then a few injuries later and boom, fully exposed. It won't work.
Next came Paul Tisdale, once again I convinced myself that he was exactly what we needed. He seemed intelligent and had managed over 700 league games so certainly had the experience. I was baffled by some of his formations / team selections. Even more baffled about the way he had the players in positions we were not familiar with. We had poor results against Swindon and Wigan (convinced BG probably would have won those weirdly) Anyhoo, I then got hooked onto the idea that all we needed was a big/tall number 9 to hold up play and we would be a decent team. That didn't happen in Jan despite getting excited with some of the names banded around. He brought back Ogogo and the Peterborough game brought me more hope that he and Grant would be the solution. Unfortunately the injury came and we remained a bit soft in midfield. The 6-1 did it for me with PT, well that and the fact that I thought he must sound so arrogant to the lads in the dressing room.
Then came Joey Barton. Talked about him with a kinda 'mate... can you imagine'. Then watched a few vids pre and post matches for Fleetwood. Listen to a few podcasts and thought, actually this guy knows a hell of a lot more than I gave him credit for. Wasn't just a thug. Actually lives and breathes the game. Made a ton of money over his playing career with contracts as high as 70-80k a week and even put money into the Fleetwood job on playing and non playing staff. He is an Everton fan, so completely gets the blue vs red rivalry and even as far as the red side were always that little bit higher than the blues for majority of their lives. His first game convinced me he knows what he is doing on the grass and despite our loss to Wigan which just was just typical of our season under all managers the team looked so much better. This trend continued in shutting down teams to fewer chances and I believe that is going to be our game/style/DNA going forward under JB.
I think in the most part the recruitment has been good this year, however some players have not managed to cut it at Rovers with all the management upheaval (picking players/dropping players/changing positions/changing formations etc) which has made the whole situation much worse as they had been brought in to replace a solid spine. The imbalance was and still is a problem and I think we may have got a bit greedy in terms of picking up free agents with potential ready to sell the summer after a solid league 1 campaign. That is deffo on Garner and those above that would have all agreed it was a good idea.
On reflection the club must now have learned that you can't cut out all the experience and replace with £££ potential. In addition it's probably better to use your existing tried and tested experience rather than some other clubs. The club have also learned a harsh lesson that an idea such as Garner ball doesn't work when you bring in a whole squad in which to do it. Probably better using a phased approach with a few more plans B,C,D etc just in case it doesn't work.
I am a rose tinter so I am easily convinced by those in power that make the decisions on managers and players, but on the grass at least I see a style and a high press that I can understand and get onboard with. We have this defensive curse that I am convinced will be eradicated over the summer with the right components coming in and a full pre season. We have this goal scoring curse that I am hopeful will be resolved over the summer with the right components coming in.
Concerns are that while the first few interviews with Joey Barton made me sit up, listen, enjoy and feel convinced he was the right man for the job, the more recent have made me kinda look around and think... can he say that? Why is no one upset by this in the board room etc. PT was binned off for a few reasons I'm sure but his comments were certainly pointed out to us as a factor from MS.
My other concern is that if we get relegated we are going to lose a lot of players through contract expiry and release clauses. Total rebuild will require us to attract quality players in the mould that JB would like (high energy, high pressing, intelligent, aggressive) at a time where the finances have taken a big hit for 1-2 years. I'm sure he will be backed, but I feel that it could be another summer of free transfers. I am confident though that a decent pre season with JB and the coaching staff will certainly sort out our beloved Bristol Rovers.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 31, 2021 8:46:37 GMT
If I look at myself and knowing that I am a Rose tinter in life generally, I definitely backed the idea of Ben Garner, I convinced myself that the players were good enough that we brought in the summer and to an extent I still think majority are, just having to the try a gel a whole squad of newbies in a different playing style was going to take time... I remember that dreaded feeling, 'actually this isn't working' and latched onto the inexperience of BG as my excuse. I felt a bit sad as I was dreaming that it would work and those little sparky bits in matches kept igniting the dream. Then a few injuries later and boom, fully exposed. It won't work. Next came Paul Tisdale, once again I convinced myself that he was exactly what we needed. He seemed intelligent and had managed over 700 league games so certainly had the experience. I was baffled by some of his formations / team selections. Even more baffled about the way he had the players in positions we were not familiar with. We had poor results against Swindon and Wigan (convinced BG probably would have won those weirdly) Anyhoo, I then got hooked onto the idea that all we needed was a big/tall number 9 to hold up play and we would be a decent team. That didn't happen in Jan despite getting excited with some of the names banded around. He brought back Ogogo and the Peterborough game brought me more hope that he and Grant would be the solution. Unfortunately the injury came and we remained a bit soft in midfield. The 6-1 did it for me with PT, well that and the fact that I thought he must sound so arrogant to the lads in the dressing room. Then came Joey Barton. Talked about him with a kinda 'mate... can you imagine'. Then watched a few vids pre and post matches for Fleetwood. Listen to a few podcasts and thought, actually this guy knows a hell of a lot more than I gave him credit for. Wasn't just a thug. Actually lives and breathes the game. Made a ton of money over his playing career with contracts as high as 70-80k a week and even put money into the Fleetwood job on playing and non playing staff. He is an Everton fan, so completely gets the blue vs red rivalry and even as far as the red side were always that little bit higher than the blues for majority of their lives. His first game convinced me he knows what he is doing on the grass and despite our loss to Wigan which just was just typical of our season under all managers the team looked so much better. This trend continued in shutting down teams to fewer chances and I believe that is going to be our game/style/DNA going forward under JB. I think in the most part the recruitment has been good this year, however some players have not managed to cut it at Rovers with all the management upheaval (picking players/dropping players/changing positions/changing formations etc) which has made the whole situation much worse as they had been brought in to replace a solid spine. The imbalance was and still is a problem and I think we may have got a bit greedy in terms of picking up free agents with potential ready to sell the summer after a solid league 1 campaign. That is deffo on Garner and those above that would have all agreed it was a good idea. On reflection the club must now have learned that you can't cut out all the experience and replace with £££ potential. In addition it's probably better to use your existing tried and tested experience rather than some other clubs. The club have also learned a harsh lesson that an idea such as Garner ball doesn't work when you bring in a whole squad in which to do it. Probably better using a phased approach with a few more plans B,C,D etc just in case it doesn't work. I am a rose tinter so I am easily convinced by those in power that make the decisions on managers and players, but on the grass at least I see a style and a high press that I can understand and get onboard with. We have this defensive curse that I am convinced will be eradicated over the summer with the right components coming in and a full pre season. We have this goal scoring curse that I am hopeful will be resolved over the summer with the right components coming in. Concerns are that while the first few interviews with Joey Barton made me sit up, listen, enjoy and feel convinced he was the right man for the job, the more recent have made me kinda look around and think... can he say that? Why is no one upset by this in the board room etc. PT was binned off for a few reasons I'm sure but his comments were certainly pointed out to us as a factor from MS. My other concern is that if we get relegated we are going to lose a lot of players through contract expiry and release clauses. Total rebuild will require us to attract quality players in the mould that JB would like (high energy, high pressing, intelligent, aggressive) at a time where the finances have taken a big hit for 1-2 years. I'm sure he will be backed, but I feel that it could be another summer of free transfers. I am confident though that a decent pre season with JB and the coaching staff will certainly sort out our beloved Bristol Rovers. Top post!
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 31, 2021 8:48:09 GMT
If I look at myself and knowing that I am a Rose tinter in life generally, I definitely backed the idea of Ben Garner, I convinced myself that the players were good enough that we brought in the summer and to an extent I still think majority are, just having to the try a gel a whole squad of newbies in a different playing style was going to take time... I remember that dreaded feeling, 'actually this isn't working' and latched onto the inexperience of BG as my excuse. I felt a bit sad as I was dreaming that it would work and those little sparky bits in matches kept igniting the dream. Then a few injuries later and boom, fully exposed. It won't work. Next came Paul Tisdale, once again I convinced myself that he was exactly what we needed. He seemed intelligent and had managed over 700 league games so certainly had the experience. I was baffled by some of his formations / team selections. Even more baffled about the way he had the players in positions we were not familiar with. We had poor results against Swindon and Wigan (convinced BG probably would have won those weirdly) Anyhoo, I then got hooked onto the idea that all we needed was a big/tall number 9 to hold up play and we would be a decent team. That didn't happen in Jan despite getting excited with some of the names banded around. He brought back Ogogo and the Peterborough game brought me more hope that he and Grant would be the solution. Unfortunately the injury came and we remained a bit soft in midfield. The 6-1 did it for me with PT, well that and the fact that I thought he must sound so arrogant to the lads in the dressing room. Then came Joey Barton. Talked about him with a kinda 'mate... can you imagine'. Then watched a few vids pre and post matches for Fleetwood. Listen to a few podcasts and thought, actually this guy knows a hell of a lot more than I gave him credit for. Wasn't just a thug. Actually lives and breathes the game. Made a ton of money over his playing career with contracts as high as 70-80k a week and even put money into the Fleetwood job on playing and non playing staff. He is an Everton fan, so completely gets the blue vs red rivalry and even as far as the red side were always that little bit higher than the blues for majority of their lives. His first game convinced me he knows what he is doing on the grass and despite our loss to Wigan which just was just typical of our season under all managers the team looked so much better. This trend continued in shutting down teams to fewer chances and I believe that is going to be our game/style/DNA going forward under JB. I think in the most part the recruitment has been good this year, however some players have not managed to cut it at Rovers with all the management upheaval (picking players/dropping players/changing positions/changing formations etc) which has made the whole situation much worse as they had been brought in to replace a solid spine. The imbalance was and still is a problem and I think we may have got a bit greedy in terms of picking up free agents with potential ready to sell the summer after a solid league 1 campaign. That is deffo on Garner and those above that would have all agreed it was a good idea. On reflection the club must now have learned that you can't cut out all the experience and replace with £££ potential. In addition it's probably better to use your existing tried and tested experience rather than some other clubs. The club have also learned a harsh lesson that an idea such as Garner ball doesn't work when you bring in a whole squad in which to do it. Probably better using a phased approach with a few more plans B,C,D etc just in case it doesn't work. I am a rose tinter so I am easily convinced by those in power that make the decisions on managers and players, but on the grass at least I see a style and a high press that I can understand and get onboard with. We have this defensive curse that I am convinced will be eradicated over the summer with the right components coming in and a full pre season. We have this goal scoring curse that I am hopeful will be resolved over the summer with the right components coming in. Concerns are that while the first few interviews with Joey Barton made me sit up, listen, enjoy and feel convinced he was the right man for the job, the more recent have made me kinda look around and think... can he say that? Why is no one upset by this in the board room etc. PT was binned off for a few reasons I'm sure but his comments were certainly pointed out to us as a factor from MS. My other concern is that if we get relegated we are going to lose a lot of players through contract expiry and release clauses. Total rebuild will require us to attract quality players in the mould that JB would like (high energy, high pressing, intelligent, aggressive) at a time where the finances have taken a big hit for 1-2 years. I'm sure he will be backed, but I feel that it could be another summer of free transfers. I am confident though that a decent pre season with JB and the coaching staff will certainly sort out our beloved Bristol Rovers. Top post! Thanks pal it's from the heart that... got no stats to put up for once so had to have a deep think instead. UTG
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 31, 2021 8:54:02 GMT
I’ve never understood the logic behind sneering at a supporter for being a ‘rose-tinter’. Surely as a supporter your default position should be to support; to be positive, to build up your team. Of course we as fans can also show our frustration and constructively criticise but it just seems weird to me, to have a go at anyone for being too positive about their football club. Maybe I should get my head out of the sand
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Post by curlywurly on Mar 31, 2021 9:25:53 GMT
Genuine question, is the rumour true about 100 or so gas heads protesting the board at the mem on Saturday? I’ve seen nothing in the media but been told about it twice now. Probably not. We couldn't be arsed to get organised when things were much worse than they are now, so I don't see things changing.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 31, 2021 9:28:04 GMT
Genuine question, is the rumour true about 100 or so gas heads protesting the board at the mem on Saturday? I’ve seen nothing in the media but been told about it twice now. I hope not. Our club and our city have embarrassed ourselves enough lately already.
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Post by Quarters on Mar 31, 2021 10:37:02 GMT
Why Sat, no game so will be no one there apart from ground staff!.
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Post by playtowin on Mar 31, 2021 14:50:38 GMT
Why Sat, no game so will be no one there apart from ground staff!. Sssshhhh dont tell them
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Post by axegas on Mar 31, 2021 14:57:03 GMT
I’ve never understood the logic behind sneering at a supporter for being a ‘rose-tinter’. Surely as a supporter your default position should be to support; to be positive, to build up your team. Of course we as fans can also show our frustration and constructively criticise but it just seems weird to me, to have a go at anyone for being too positive about their football club. Maybe I should get my head out of the sand I think supporter just means you want the best for what you claim to support. So critical thinking and sometimes criticising those responsible for not achieving the best for the football club is just as supportive singing come on you blues on a match day, the intentions are the same. The problem is people don’t always think criticism is fair, then people get accused of not supporting the club even though that might not be the case.
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