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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 12:38:21 GMT
That was not a very pretty dig at Tisdale, but what JB actually seemed to be suggesting was that the squad were in no fit state to perform at an acceptable level when PT arrived with his funny hats. So perhaps implying that BG left the place in disarray, and PT had no chance? Christ - it continues. That said I don't think it was a dig at Tisdale at all - I thought he was referring to himself? I.e. you can't just up your game now some bloke in funny glasses has come in. Don't get me wrong, he might be included in the "previous coaches" dig, but in all honesty he wasn't here that long. I assumed he was more on about the actual defensive coaches, goalkeeping coaches etc etc - but could be wrong. The hat and glasses was about himself. If you watch the visual he points at himself when he says it.
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Post by rosssgb on Mar 26, 2021 12:45:38 GMT
That was not a very pretty dig at Tisdale, but what JB actually seemed to be suggesting was that the squad were in no fit state to perform at an acceptable level when PT arrived with his funny hats. So perhaps implying that BG left the place in disarray, and PT had no chance? Christ - it continues. That said I don't think it was a dig at Tisdale at all - I thought he was referring to himself? I.e. you can't just up your game now some bloke in funny glasses has come in. Don't get me wrong, he might be included in the "previous coaches" dig, but in all honesty he wasn't here that long. I assumed he was more on about the actual defensive coaches, goalkeeping coaches etc etc - but could be wrong. Could be bang on with this. Can’t remember the name of the two coaches in particular, but they’ve now outlasted 2 managers somehow. Just glad Barton was able to bring in some of his own coaches, especially Clint Hill, after a preseason with him the defence should show massive improvements.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 26, 2021 12:53:18 GMT
Christ - it continues. That said I don't think it was a dig at Tisdale at all - I thought he was referring to himself? I.e. you can't just up your game now some bloke in funny glasses has come in. Don't get me wrong, he might be included in the "previous coaches" dig, but in all honesty he wasn't here that long. I assumed he was more on about the actual defensive coaches, goalkeeping coaches etc etc - but could be wrong. Could be bang on with this. Can’t remember the name of the two coaches in particular, but they’ve now outlasted 2 managers somehow. Just glad Barton was able to bring in some of his own coaches, especially Clint Hill, after a preseason with him the defence should show massive improvements. I think we’re taking it too literally. I think by coaches he means Garner and Tisdale.
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Post by RD on Mar 26, 2021 12:55:21 GMT
Could be bang on with this. Can’t remember the name of the two coaches in particular, but they’ve now outlasted 2 managers somehow. Just glad Barton was able to bring in some of his own coaches, especially Clint Hill, after a preseason with him the defence should show massive improvements. I think we’re taking it too literally. I think by coaches he means Garner and Tisdale. Possibly - although I think that's harsh on Tisdale; we have games every few days, he said himself how little time there was for training. For me the responsibility lies with Ben Garner and the actual coaches at the club (e.g. defensive coach, fitness coach, goalkeeping coach etc. etc.)
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Post by peterparker on Mar 26, 2021 13:18:49 GMT
Could be bang on with this. Can’t remember the name of the two coaches in particular, but they’ve now outlasted 2 managers somehow. Just glad Barton was able to bring in some of his own coaches, especially Clint Hill, after a preseason with him the defence should show massive improvements. I think we’re taking it too literally. I think by coaches he means Garner and Tisdale. Even if he means them, then he has been poor in his choice of words. If he literally means those currently at the club, he is out of order (even if he right) He has said some 'tough' words without putting any meat on the bones Just more distancing himself from relegation if it happens despite having 18 games to do something about it and building/maintaining an image amongst certain sections of the fanbase
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Post by aghast on Mar 26, 2021 13:36:53 GMT
That was not a very pretty dig at Tisdale, but what JB actually seemed to be suggesting was that the squad were in no fit state to perform at an acceptable level when PT arrived with his funny hats. So perhaps implying that BG left the place in disarray, and PT had no chance? Christ - it continues. That said I don't think it was a dig at Tisdale at all - I thought he was referring to himself? I.e. you can't just up your game now some bloke in funny glasses has come in. Don't get me wrong, he might be included in the "previous coaches" dig, but in all honesty he wasn't here that long. I assumed he was more on about the actual defensive coaches, goalkeeping coaches etc etc - but could be wrong. Yes apologies it was about himself. Didn't see the video! But the point remains that he's blaming mainly BG for all our woes. Getting a bit tired of this blame thing now and how he's turning it round. Maybe if he actually managed to not lose to equally inferior relegation sides he can say these things, but at the moment he's not performing either.
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Post by giff on Mar 26, 2021 14:05:26 GMT
Thought it was a good interview its about time someone said what we have all been thinking. ive thought all season our fitness is a disgrace , even tisdale hinted that there was a easy go attitude around the club even stated players having no respect for the pitch , which at the time i felt was a bit strange maybe he wanted to say some more. Wonder if Garner will give him a call?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 26, 2021 15:03:57 GMT
So his time in football he hasn't gained a wealth of knowledge in how a football club is run. And to shake it up from top to bottom can be read however you want. Wael is at the top I'm sure he isnt trying to get rid of him but there maybe one or two that are cutting the mustard. How far to the bottom do you go is he referring to the tea lady,the workers in the club shop I very much doubt it. I would take it in all the years he has been involved in football he would spot a decent coach and someone who is just not putting it all in. The club is going backwards and a shake up is exactly what is required and if it dosent happen then I fear for the future of our club. Is Joey Barton the correct man to taken all this on I have no idea but yet again I would trust him more than I would trust other ex managers to change the way we operate. Wael will have his own ideas of what he wants to do and with some input from JB it could be the kick start we need as we cannot keep going on like we are. I see you just don't want to answer my question on who from within you would promote assuming i would criticise. In would just be interested as I believe there is nobody. I would also like to know your opinion on what direction we should head in taking JB out the picture. Do you think we don't need a shake up? There's lots of JB bashing but no alternative to how we should go. I don't agree that the club is going backwards. The club is debt free for the first time in multiple decades and has it's own state of the art training facility. So, Idon't think the club is in need of a shake up. The team are not performing well on the pitch. That's completely different. My opinion is that internal appointment has always seen us do best. The question of who I would appoint just distracts from the question of whether or not we should allow Joey Barton to "shake up" the club. I think plenty were disappointed when DC was appointed, probably Gerry even. GC was doing well, Ollie did well. I think it's something we should take as a model for the club. Just wanted to ask , we had the President take up shares for the existing debt but we have ongoing debts that will be circa 3m pre covid, we have a charge on the stadium so my question is how are we debt free and I’m asking genuinely ? The charge is to DWANE . We went from plans of a high category academy to the quarters, I’m not complaining but if you look at the red sides facilities then ours will not be state of the art but it will be ours/Wael’s/Dwane property. We have had more stadium plans not succeed and I won’t go into the whys and what went wrong. We are paying off two or three managers contracts. I would absolutely love us to be truly debt and charge free and not having to pay Bennet and ex managers. We have seen the team that gave us our pride back, torn up and are looking into the abyss, again. We know how difficult it can be to get out of L2, IF we get relegated. I am not slating anyone but am being realistic. We need the team to perform firstly and I believe things can move forward from a good team. How long can anyone wish to keep any club/business going when it is swallowing big chunks of money ? I just don’t see us as anywhere near truly debt free.
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Post by dragonfly on Mar 26, 2021 15:19:27 GMT
That was not a very pretty dig at Tisdale, but what JB actually seemed to be suggesting was that the squad were in no fit state to perform at an acceptable level when PT arrived with his funny hats. So perhaps implying that BG left the place in disarray, and PT had no chance? The squad are nowhere near fit enough. Look at us in the last 20 minutes of games, we have nothing left in the tank whatsoever. That’s on Ben Garner and kudos to a Joey for calling him out publicly. I agree and also down to ill preparation in pre season with so many inexperienced Players being expected to negotiate a long and demanding season to finish mid table or thereabouts. Barton brings on subs and mostly we have been worse. If his first choice starters could easily last 90+ mins and maintain concentration we could have won a few more games. Garner had the benefit of having fresher Players early in the campaign but they were still found wanting. I believe Barton is right with pre season preparation being so important as they appear to be a somewhat spent force as the fixture list has intensified. Whoever is selected in the final 9 games they need to step outside of their comfort zones and become men. Those Boys did it in the Summer of 1940 when it was life or death and not just a game of football - we are not asking for the impossible.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 26, 2021 15:26:06 GMT
The squad are nowhere near fit enough. Look at us in the last 20 minutes of games, we have nothing left in the tank whatsoever. That’s on Ben Garner and kudos to a Joey for calling him out publicly. I agree and also down to ill preparation in pre season with so many inexperienced Players being expected to negotiate a long and demanding season to finish mid table or thereabouts. Barton brings on subs and mostly we have been worse. If his first choice starters could easily last 90+ mins and maintain concentration we could have won a few more games. Garner had the benefit of having fresher Players early in the campaign but they were still found wanting. I believe Barton is right with pre season preparation being so important as they appear to be a somewhat spent force as the fixture list has intensified. Whoever is selected in the final 9 games they need to step outside of their comfort zones and become men. Those Boys did it in the Summer of 1940 when it was life or death and not just a game of football - we are not asking for the impossible. You forgot the Andy Rommel season. Lucky and a great relief
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 26, 2021 15:30:20 GMT
I don't agree that the club is going backwards. The club is debt free for the first time in multiple decades and has it's own state of the art training facility. So, Idon't think the club is in need of a shake up. The team are not performing well on the pitch. That's completely different. My opinion is that internal appointment has always seen us do best. The question of who I would appoint just distracts from the question of whether or not we should allow Joey Barton to "shake up" the club. I think plenty were disappointed when DC was appointed, probably Gerry even. GC was doing well, Ollie did well. I think it's something we should take as a model for the club. Just wanted to ask , we had the President take up shares for the existing debt but we have ongoing debts that will be circa 3m pre covid, we have a charge on the stadium so my question is how are we debt free and I’m asking genuinely ? The charge is to DWANE . We went from plans of a high category academy to the quarters, I’m not complaining but if you look at the red sides facilities then ours will not be state of the art but it will be ours/Wael’s/Dwane property. We have had more stadium plans not succeed and I won’t go into the whys and what went wrong. We are paying off two or three managers contracts. I would absolutely love us to be truly debt and charge free and not having to pay Bennet and ex managers. We have seen the team that gave us our pride back, torn up and are looking into the abyss, again. We know how difficult it can be to get out of L2, IF we get relegated. I am not slating anyone but am being realistic. We need the team to perform firstly and I believe things can move forward from a good team. How long can anyone wish to keep any club/business going when it is swallowing big chunks of money ? I just don’t see us as anywhere near truly debt free. I suppose it depends on your definition of what debt free means. There will always be day to day payments and the rolling credit facility will be used. I do think you are overly concerned by the charge, though. It's not to a third party and a charge has been on the Mem for a long time, plenty existed pre Dwane Sports.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 26, 2021 16:00:17 GMT
Just wanted to ask , we had the President take up shares for the existing debt but we have ongoing debts that will be circa 3m pre covid, we have a charge on the stadium so my question is how are we debt free and I’m asking genuinely ? The charge is to DWANE . We went from plans of a high category academy to the quarters, I’m not complaining but if you look at the red sides facilities then ours will not be state of the art but it will be ours/Wael’s/Dwane property. We have had more stadium plans not succeed and I won’t go into the whys and what went wrong. We are paying off two or three managers contracts. I would absolutely love us to be truly debt and charge free and not having to pay Bennet and ex managers. We have seen the team that gave us our pride back, torn up and are looking into the abyss, again. We know how difficult it can be to get out of L2, IF we get relegated. I am not slating anyone but am being realistic. We need the team to perform firstly and I believe things can move forward from a good team. How long can anyone wish to keep any club/business going when it is swallowing big chunks of money ? I just don’t see us as anywhere near truly debt free. I suppose it depends on your definition of what debt free means. There will always be day to day payments and the rolling credit facility will be used. I do think you are overly concerned by the charge, though. It's not to a third party and a charge has been on the Mem for a long time, plenty existed pre Dwane Sports. Not for 10 million GBP.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 26, 2021 16:07:23 GMT
I suppose it depends on your definition of what debt free means. There will always be day to day payments and the rolling credit facility will be used. I do think you are overly concerned by the charge, though. It's not to a third party and a charge has been on the Mem for a long time, plenty existed pre Dwane Sports. Not for 10 million GBP. Not sure the limit makes a big difference, certainly in the eyes of the law anyway. LJG could probably confirm. The one to the loan firm was more likely to result in the the sale of the Mem in my opinion.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Mar 26, 2021 16:12:46 GMT
Did we get a mega bill from the failed legal team re the Sainsburys trial and failed appeal?Recall coming down the night the hearing was heard at College Green (having written to Eric Pickles) and then driving back convinced the UWE was a done deal
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 26, 2021 16:17:01 GMT
A friend of a friend who works at the club said that Bartons interview was 100%. He knew all the players, where they had come from, the problems the club has, and of course a plan “A friend of a friend who works at the club” you for real? Very much so.
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 26, 2021 16:28:11 GMT
Garner was out of his depth. How the club entrusted him to run the club and spend the budget is beyond belief. Tisdale, who I believe knows Starnes very well, showed no motivation, and no ambition. Joey Barton has experience both in playing and managing. He has motivativation and ambition. So I believe out of those 3 he is the best. At he moment we have too many coaches. Far too many players that right now are not good enough. I have no reason to think we are going to stay up. If we do then it will be because God wears a blue and white scarf.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Mar 26, 2021 16:47:27 GMT
Garner was out of his depth. How the club entrusted him to run the club and spend the budget is beyond belief. Tisdale, who I believe knows Starnes very well, showed no motivation, and no ambition. Joey Barton has experience both in playing and managing. He has motivativation and ambition. So I believe out of those 3 he is the best. At he moment we have too many coaches. Far too many players that right now are not good enough. I have no reason to think we are going to stay up. If we do then it will be because God wears a blue and white scarf. Garner was like a choir boy,hopelessly out of his depth.Wrong to let GC go and to compound it with BG rubbed salt into the wounds. GC's first match was away at Sunderland.Not sure wether we stand any sort of chance tomorrow but don't think they will like playing at the Mem and changing in the bar behind the goal!!
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Post by peterparker on Mar 26, 2021 16:50:36 GMT
I suppose it depends on your definition of what debt free means. There will always be day to day payments and the rolling credit facility will be used. I do think you are overly concerned by the charge, though. It's not to a third party and a charge has been on the Mem for a long time, plenty existed pre Dwane Sports. Not for 10 million GBP. No, but its largely irrelevant. Wael owns 97% or whatever of the club. He could sell The Mem tomorrow if he really wanted
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 26, 2021 17:56:36 GMT
No, but its largely irrelevant. Wael owns 97% or whatever of the club. He could sell The Mem tomorrow if he really wanted Indeed. How long will he keep on paying out for failure ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 26, 2021 18:49:53 GMT
I think we’re taking it too literally. I think by coaches he means Garner and Tisdale. Possibly - although I think that's harsh on Tisdale; we have games every few days, he said himself how little time there was for training. For me the responsibility lies with Ben Garner and the actual coaches at the club (e.g. defensive coach, fitness coach, goalkeeping coach etc. etc.) All the coaches are still at the club, not one has left, BG's clearly must be referring to Garner and Tisdale, as he even says they can give him a call to discuss his views, I doubt he'd be saying that if he was referring to coaches he's sees on a day to day basis given that they are still at the club.
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