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Post by chilly1883 on Apr 18, 2021 17:40:39 GMT
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Post by orgasmic on Apr 18, 2021 17:41:39 GMT
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Post by Raj Gas on Apr 18, 2021 17:41:40 GMT
He is actually doing worse than Garner and Tisdale With Garner and Tisdales players, the most talented of which are injured. But he has the two Luke's who have been in good goalscoring form so he is not too badly off. He has not managed to get the results of this group of players he thought he would and now blames everyone else.
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Post by chilly1883 on Apr 18, 2021 17:43:01 GMT
It just about sums up some of our supporters, to even think about sacking a manager, that’s not even managing HIS team. Who do you actually think you are? To call for somebody to get sacked, for previous endeavours. Get a grip and support the club, or find something else to do. I will support the club in any way I choose. Who are you to tell me what to do or think? sorry Ard
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 18, 2021 17:45:53 GMT
He is actually doing worse than Garner and Tisdale With Garner and Tisdales players, the most talented of which are injured. So is it Barton’s training methods that are the problem? You saying the players were fit and free from injury under Garner and Tisdale
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 17:47:02 GMT
Problem here is any manager who was interviewed would have said the exact same thing. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but sadly nobody would have or will ever know who could have kept us up. Had he had January to bring some players in and we were still in this position then I could understand your view but he needs to be given the chance to bring some players in during the summer before he can be fully judged. When the transfer window shut and we hadn’t got a striker in then that was the moment when alot of fans said that was going to cost us at the end of the season. While I was worried I still thought we would be ok but those fans have been proved right. Yesterday their goal while there was a slight mistake before the goal was a well worked goal which you hold your hands up to but if you look at alot of the goals we have conceded this season it has been from stand out individual mistakes and that is nothing that any of the previous 3 managers can control. The thing that angers me the most is that while we have lost alot of games since JB has come in I would rather have lost those games where we have been played off the pitch and to soften the blow but I think even the fans who don’t support Barton like yourself has to admit there hasn’t really been any game where we have been outplayed. Nearly every game post match we can all remember in the game where we have had not a half chance but a chance which should have been at the very least on target and not just one but at least a few which the strikers haven’t taken and been on top for a decent periodand then there has been a moment where a player has slipped or lost his marker and they have scored and that is the reason we are going down. When you are on top and creating chances you need to take them but out strikers sadly aren’t clinical enough, At the start of the season I was thinking that they weren’t getting the service but as the season has gone on and since JB came in and to an extent PT more chances were created and this is then where you could see where the problem exists added to our defence who every single one of them has made stand out mistakes all season. And its the role of tbe interviewer to pull the answer apart and to be convinced. I cannot really believe you think otherwise. Saying yes I can is not enough. They must have drilled down. So what did Barton say? Whatever answer given or plan he put forward, he has failed spectacularly. So on that basis, why should we believe a word he says? I think it's clear from his comments, if true, that Wael chased him and on that Basis Barton probably wrote his own contract after interviewing Wael.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 18, 2021 18:01:36 GMT
At least he calling it out what we all know a utter shambles throughout the club Well, I guess many on here were able to recognise this season as a shambles football-wise. So he’s not really telling us anything other than we know. The thing we were all looking for from him was to do something about the shambles and unfortunately he hasn’t been successful. So far. And I’m not actually calling for JB to be changed. We’ve got to stop changing managers and their support staffs and support him doing something about the shambles we're in. But the results have to improve or else he will be off, just as any other manager would be. But FWIW: This squad is very unbalanced and like everyone else has said we’ve had no strikers, the stats are embarrassing and whichever way you dress it up that is the main reason we’re where we are. Get a decent couple of strikers and this squad would perform far better and the midfield and defence would not be continually under pressure, imo. I think given time JB could produce a good team, playing good football. But the elephant in the room is his court case which could result in him being put away. A poor start, no manager and being in League 2 is not a great prospect and as we know to our cost what the result of that can be. Blimey, imagine starting badly in League 2 what that would be like. We don’t want to be another Grimsby! It appears that whenever we have a bad season the demands are for a “clear out” but tbh I’m not sure we need one. We certainly need a good manager to make some decisions and he needs to clarify what players we need, what we need coaching-wise and to cut the playing staff so that we have players who are genuinely going to be part of the first team. (And not 4 or 5 LBs most of whom wont play!!). DC would never have done that, I don’t think JB would either but we need more focus around winning matches, not a project. Wael, I’ve loved what you done but you’ve got to surround yourself with better people who genuinely want to improve BRFC. I think Tom Gorringe fits into that category, as does TW (I don’t expect others to agree!). But Starnes I’m not sure of. I know he was ill so 8 might be unfair but I don’t gain a great deal of confidence listening to him. But we need change to ensure that Wael gets real value for money over his investment. UTG!
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Post by yetigas on Apr 18, 2021 18:04:20 GMT
It just about sums up some of our supporters, to even think about sacking a manager, that’s not even managing HIS team. Who do you actually think you are? To call for somebody to get sacked, for previous endeavours. Get a grip and support the club, or find something else to do. I am not advocating sacking JB but this comment sums up the whole problem. As soon as JB walked through the door he WAS managing HIS team. Its called Bristol Rovers. It doesn't matter who recruited the players, JB's job was to 'own' them and manage them, not to look for scapegoats it case he fails. Let's see if he can redeem himself in the next 4 games.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 18, 2021 18:07:31 GMT
With Garner and Tisdales players, the most talented of which are injured. So is it Barton’s training methods that are the problem? You saying the players were fit and free from injury under Garner and Tisdale They've barely trained under Barton it's been relentless Tues Sat pretty much every week since he's arrived. I wont lie I was hoping for better when he arrived but in no way do I blame him for this mess. Garner had a full pre season and a blank canvas signings wise and Tisdale despite knowing full well where are problems were let the Jan transfer window drift past without doing anything to rectify it. Garner may have had a better PPG than Barton based on this season but I'd wager if you swapped situations and gave JB a full pre season plus scope to sign 14 players and then asked Garner to take over a side in the situation Barton found us in the PPG stats would be very different
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 18:08:02 GMT
The club needs to be sorted out, top to bottom - an external expert is being brought in, no doubt in full consultation with Wael, with JB being the mouthpiece as he has experience of working with this person at Fleetwood. Within a short time of JB and team being here, players were saying that it felt like a totally different club - in a good way. They were able to be frank with JB, about the standards, and what was going on behind the scenes, he has taken this to Wael - who has finally had his eyes opened. JB has a lot of fairly recent experience as to how top clubs operate, and the standards which are expected on the non-playing side - why would you chose not to listen to somebody with that background? Nobody can deny that the results haven't been what we would have wanted, others have already eloquently put forward the rationale for this, so I won't repeat it, we've all read the various threads. JB may well turn out to be like the Emperor's new clothes, however, I think we can only judge him fairly when he's been given the same opportunity as the previous managers to bring some of his own players in. The players were always going to come out and say positive things. They always do! Also, he hardly had tough acts to follow! I think it's fair to say BG was judged on how he performed before making any signings as was PT. Why should JB be any different just because as a player he played at a higher level? Whilst I don't rate JB and think we are seemingly backing someone who talks a good game but has been an abject failure, I hope I'm spectacularly wrong! I'm not referring to when players were talking to the press or fans - we all know that the positive stuff gets wheeled out for a new manager then, nobody is going to publicly slag off their new boss are they?
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Post by aghast on Apr 18, 2021 18:11:46 GMT
I feel like we're passengers in a canoe heading for the Niagra Falls.
The first skipper turned up without his oars so we threw him overboard.
The second skipper fell asleep as we approached the edge so he was given the old heave-ho too.
Now we've found out skipper number three has been strapped and superglued to his seat and is cackling maniacally as we plummet over the edge.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 18, 2021 18:13:01 GMT
Whole club has gone to sh**, everyone (apart from Tom Gorringe) is stealing a wage. Half the problem is that Wael is absent. I think that some of the people Wael is paying are definitely on a skive because he isnt directly overseeing them.
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Post by wertongas on Apr 18, 2021 18:25:27 GMT
I just wish someone would tell JB that we don't blame him for the mess we are in and he doesn't need to keep making excuses after every defeat. I like many realized at the beginning of this season we would struggle after keeping a Manager with a dreadful results record from the season before, who put together a squad over the summer of mostly midfielders some with little league experience a left sided defence and no experienced consistent goalscoring striker. It is no Surprise that we are where we are, but if next Christmas we are struggling in league 2 after JB had the summer to sort things then we can start blaming him and he will need some very good excuses.
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Post by LJG on Apr 18, 2021 18:31:41 GMT
I feel like we're passengers in a canoe heading for the Niagra Falls. The first skipper turned up without his oars so we threw him overboard. The second skipper fell asleep as we approached the edge so he was given the old heave-ho too. Now we've found out skipper number three has been strapped and superglued to his seat and is cackling maniacally as we plummet over the edge. "There was a cancer running through the shipyard that built this canoe. If those oar carvers had been doctors they'd have been called negligent. As soon as we've crashed over the edge of these falls I'm going to take this crew of rowers outside and shoot them". Yeah that would really make them start heaving in the right direction.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 18, 2021 18:34:52 GMT
Looking at silver linings... with a couple of additions there’s no reason why we can’t do what Bury (probably not a great choice!), Plymouth and Swindon did. Come straight back up. With JB our performances have been better but unfortunately losing Nicholson and Rodman have cost us. Rodman is very experienced but looks like a player who’s sensibly looked after himself and could do well in League 2. UTG!
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Post by pucklegas on Apr 18, 2021 18:58:17 GMT
Think he will do a good job, but had enough of his post mortems we have watched every missed chance, poor marking at set pieces, general bad game management, poor substitutions, lack of forward signings etc.
I want some action, players released asap and a joined up plan how we will get back up, and not just tread water, actually start pushing for the championship.
I dont want to see any HMS P#$$ the league rubbish on here, remember the sign the club put up and we got relegated again ffs.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 18, 2021 18:59:29 GMT
It must be love, love, love.
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Post by LJG on Apr 18, 2021 19:00:26 GMT
Think he will do a good job, but had enough of his post mortems we have watched every missed chance, poor marking at set pieces, general bad game management, poor substitutions, lack of forward signings etc. I want some action, players released asap and a joined up plan how we will get back up, and not just tread water, actually start pushing for the championship. I dont want to see any HMS P#$$ the league rubbish on here, remember the sign the club put up and we got relegated again ffs. I must have blocked it out. What was the sign?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 18, 2021 19:01:10 GMT
Barton has managed 34 league one games this season across two clubs. Played 34 Won 11 Draw 7 Lost 16 Points per game 1.18 He has an 11th and 6th place finish in two season prior to that on one of the biggest budgets in league one. What is everyone seeing that I’m not? That Garner was a f**king useless twat. Hugo's going in! Mod turned WUM apprentice, and I love it!
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Post by pucklegas on Apr 18, 2021 19:03:46 GMT
Think he will do a good job, but had enough of his post mortems we have watched every missed chance, poor marking at set pieces, general bad game management, poor substitutions, lack of forward signings etc. I want some action, players released asap and a joined up plan how we will get back up, and not just tread water, actually start pushing for the championship. I dont want to see any HMS P#$$ the league rubbish on here, remember the sign the club put up and we got relegated again ffs. I must have blocked it out. What was the sign? Club bought a sign League 2 winners for the following season on the last game of the season we got relegated, major embarrassment and so cocky.
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