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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 4, 2021 18:33:26 GMT
I hated watching the "football" Coggers served up. Obviously I loved the results, but I just didn't want to watch. Just because Garner was an utter failure, that doesnt mean the decision to move towards more easy on the eye football was the wrong one. The way it was done (wholesale changes) and with a total novice in charge was clearly wrong. The amount of simple chances the opposition missed against Coughlans Rovers team was comical too. Total contrast to this season where the opposition score every time with their first shot. I think most knew that we wouldn't sustain those results for long playing like that. Well he managed it for a year so..
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Post by cj on May 4, 2021 18:35:49 GMT
Ah, that is where you are wrong. I didn't conveniently forget PT had a window. I chose to instead take into account that PT was heavily restricted on what he could do in that window.
Now I am not a fan of PT and was against his appointment and I was glad he was sacked. But lets be fair here. We were only allowed a squad of 23 players (not including youngsters) and we were already at or near the limit so PT couldn't make lots of changes that was needed. For PT to make signings, either people had to leave for him to bring in players or players were going to be left out of the 23 man squad altogether. Remember too that we have a wage budget also to adhere to so it is not realistic to have lots of players on the books but not in the 23 man squad (draining the wage budget) just so PT could have space available to bring in more players which would eat up more wages.
What PT needed was a summer window where he could have more time to get rid of players and bring in players. Not a window that is known to be very hard to sign lots of players. Therefore I am disregarding that window as a proper window for PT due to his restrictions and I will continue to compare PT and JB as managers for us. Plus, the 2 players PT brought in, were also used by JB. They've had the same players to work with and JB has done worse than PT with the same set of players. He has made us worse.
Amazing how Burton were able to sign 9 players in January to lift them clear of relegation. Yes it was amazing for them. Some how they made it happen and fair shout to them. I'm not privy to their situation so it's just guess work here but maybe they had space available in their 23 man limit to make these signings. Or maybe they were able to ship players out to free space to make these signings. Do you know their circumstances or are you just throwing their name in here to meet your agenda? Hmm.
Out of curiosity, are there any other examples of teams making that many signing in January? You may find a couple but I doubt you will find that many. You have a lot of knowledge in the game pirate so you should know that the January window is notoriously difficult to make many changes. Just because 1 or a few can do it under their own circumstances, doesn't mean we could do it. When was the last time our own club was able to make that many changes in January? Do you really believe with the squad size we already had, that we could get rid of enough players AND go out and make that many more signings?
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 4, 2021 18:36:43 GMT
The amount of simple chances the opposition missed against Coughlans Rovers team was comical too. Total contrast to this season where the opposition score every time with their first shot. I think most knew that we wouldn't sustain those results for long playing like that. Well he managed it for a year so.. Clearly didn't think he could sustain it himself over a full season or he wouldn't have jumped ship for a struggling L2 side
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 4, 2021 18:40:08 GMT
Well he managed it for a year so.. Clearly didn't think he could sustain it himself over a full season or he wouldn't have jumped ship for a struggling L2 side He admitted he needed more backing but you it sound like luck that he did as well as he did. Also I'm guessing Mansfield's offer was more tempting than what we were giving him all things considered.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 4, 2021 18:47:37 GMT
Clearly didn't think he could sustain it himself over a full season or he wouldn't have jumped ship for a struggling L2 side He admitted he needed more backing but you it sound like luck that he did as well as he did. Also I'm guessing Mansfield's offer was more tempting than what we were giving him all things considered. 'Potentially' 5 months away from getting a team into the Championship, as you said already had a decent 12 months split over the 2 half seasons. Plus his stock would have been really high had he pulled that off and probably had his pick of offers in the summer. Must have been some offer to go to a midtable L2 side..
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Post by Topper Gas on May 4, 2021 18:49:39 GMT
Well he managed it for a year so.. Clearly didn't think he could sustain it himself over a full season or he wouldn't have jumped ship for a struggling L2 side I can't see the challenge he faced, and lost!, was any easier, he clearly followed the £'s and location, the fact his latest job is in Sheffield perhaps suggests his wife did want him living back at home. Regardless given JCH was going nowhere last January he would have been able to sustain at least survival/a mid table finish at least the end of last season.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 4, 2021 18:52:28 GMT
He admitted he needed more backing but you it sound like luck that he did as well as he did. Also I'm guessing Mansfield's offer was more tempting than what we were giving him all things considered. 'Potentially' 5 months away from getting a team into the Championship, as you said already had a decent 12 months split over the 2 half seasons. Plus his stock would have been really high had he pulled that off and probably had his pick of offers in the summer. Must have been some offer to go to a midtable L2 side.. That was also much, much closer to home.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 4, 2021 19:04:05 GMT
'Potentially' 5 months away from getting a team into the Championship, as you said already had a decent 12 months split over the 2 half seasons. Plus his stock would have been really high had he pulled that off and probably had his pick of offers in the summer. Must have been some offer to go to a midtable L2 side.. That was also much, much closer to home. Well he is even closer now so all has worked out well for the guy
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Post by bridgwatergas on May 4, 2021 19:05:37 GMT
Amazing how Burton were able to sign 9 players in January to lift them clear of relegation. Yes it was amazing for them. Some how they made it happen and fair shout to them. I'm not privy to their situation so it's just guess work here but maybe they had space available in their 23 man limit to make these signings. Or maybe they were able to ship players out to free space to make these signings. Do you know their circumstances or are you just throwing their name in here to meet your agenda? Hmm.
Out of curiosity, are there any other examples of teams making that many signing in January? You may find a couple but I doubt you will find that many. You have a lot of knowledge in the game pirate so you should know that the January window is notoriously difficult to make many changes. Just because 1 or a few can do it under their own circumstances, doesn't mean we could do it. When was the last time our own club was able to make that many changes in January? Do you really believe with the squad size we already had, that we could get rid of enough players AND go out and make that many more signings? Garner said after the first transfer window that there was enough left for the January if we needed to add. Also alot of our signings were young so there wages would have not been on par to the average wage a player at this level gets. It was the way we were meant to go so we could operate within our means. So if we had to leave players like Liddle,Kolki etc out of the 23 to accommodate new signings to save our season I'm sure it could have been done. PT totally failed us in the transfer window.
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Post by pirate on May 4, 2021 19:27:46 GMT
Amazing how Burton were able to sign 9 players in January to lift them clear of relegation. Yes it was amazing for them. Some how they made it happen and fair shout to them. I'm not privy to their situation so it's just guess work here but maybe they had space available in their 23 man limit to make these signings. Or maybe they were able to ship players out to free space to make these signings. Do you know their circumstances or are you just throwing their name in here to meet your agenda? Hmm.
Out of curiosity, are there any other examples of teams making that many signing in January? You may find a couple but I doubt you will find that many. You have a lot of knowledge in the game pirate so you should know that the January window is notoriously difficult to make many changes. Just because 1 or a few can do it under their own circumstances, doesn't mean we could do it. When was the last time our own club was able to make that many changes in January? Do you really believe with the squad size we already had, that we could get rid of enough players AND go out and make that many more signings? Agenda? What agenda? Lol. Unless you count wanting us to improve our attacking options in January when it was desperately clear to everyone that was needed, as an 'agenda'? We didn't need 9 signings, just 2 or 3 improvements in attacking areas, but as we all know that failed to materialise and we paid the ultimate price for our failure.
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Post by gulfofaden on May 4, 2021 19:41:33 GMT
I am starting to get the idea there are a lot of arguments on football forums.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 4, 2021 19:46:23 GMT
I am starting to get the idea there are a lot of arguments on football forums. That's half the fun!
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on May 4, 2021 19:47:11 GMT
Shots fired
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Post by farmygas on May 4, 2021 19:56:29 GMT
Absolute cult of personality stuff here. Come Sunday the bloke will have a PPG of 0.61 and there's every chance he'll go to prison this summer. He spouts bollocks about positive electrons at the drop of a hat and blames the team he signed up to work with and swore blind he'd get a fight out of. Get a grip, the man is an fraud.
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Post by olskooltoteender on May 4, 2021 20:11:25 GMT
Oh how th mind revels in conjecture. Where information is lacking, it will gladly fill in th gaps. e & e That should fill in the gaps Jock 👍 Ah yeah, but he’s writing in Scots, isn’t he?
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on May 4, 2021 20:19:19 GMT
I saw the video and he was having a bit of banter which is a good way to build a rapport with supporters, but let’s not hang on his every word. He’s hardly going to say that he is going to take Rovers to the bottom of League Two is he?. Of course he is going to talk about his ambition to take Rovers into the Championship like any manager would. It doesn’t make him a messiah and I cringe when I see our fans hanging on his every word.
There is a hell of a lot of work to be done and if success comes along then happy to get tanked right up and carry him aloft down Gloucester Road. Until there is a change of fortune the jury is still out.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 4, 2021 20:40:07 GMT
Absolute cult of personality stuff here. Come Sunday the bloke will have a PPG of 0.61 and there's every chance he'll go to prison this summer. He spouts bollocks about positive electrons at the drop of a hat and blames the team he signed up to work with and swore blind he'd get a fight out of. Get a grip, the man is an fraud. [b I am of the opinion that by performing shockingly bad under 3 different managers, it's the players who appear to be fraudulent. Bartons PPG is the culmination of a very poor season and the mistakes that have gone before him imo.
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Post by farmygas on May 4, 2021 20:46:09 GMT
Absolute cult of personality stuff here. Come Sunday the bloke will have a PPG of 0.61 and there's every chance he'll go to prison this summer. He spouts bollocks about positive electrons at the drop of a hat and blames the team he signed up to work with and swore blind he'd get a fight out of. Get a grip, the man is an fraud. [b I am of the opinion that by performing shockingly bad under 3 different managers, it's the players who appear to be fraudulent. Bartons PPG is the culmination of a very poor season and the mistakes that have gone before him imo. 2 points from 15 against relegation rivals in a fight he signed up for.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 4, 2021 21:02:44 GMT
[b I am of the opinion that by performing shockingly bad under 3 different managers, it's the players who appear to be fraudulent. Bartons PPG is the culmination of a very poor season and the mistakes that have gone before him imo. 2 points from 15 against relegation rivals in a fight he signed up for. Doesn't matter if the players aren't good enough and have given up. What's he supposed to do kidknap their wives/girlfriends until they start winning?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 4, 2021 21:04:44 GMT
[b I am of the opinion that by performing shockingly bad under 3 different managers, it's the players who appear to be fraudulent. Bartons PPG is the culmination of a very poor season and the mistakes that have gone before him imo. 2 points from 15 against relegation rivals in a fight he signed up for. Wael's tried 3 managers this season, why do you think trying a fourth one for next season is going to improve matters? Regardless we have no control over who Wael appoints as manager nor the outcome of the forthcoming court case.
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