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Post by lastminutewinner on May 5, 2021 22:29:17 GMT
[b I am of the opinion that by performing shockingly bad under 3 different managers, it's the players who appear to be fraudulent. Bartons PPG is the culmination of a very poor season and the mistakes that have gone before him imo. Barton came to us knowing what the situation was and his immediate task was to accumulate enough points to avoid relegation. Managers have to MANAGE - that means motivating players and getting them to perform to the best of their ability, as a team, every match. His pathetic PPG cannot be blamed on other people. HE was the manager and HE failed. Someone has to finish bottom and having seen every game we fully deserved that honour. Let's face it we have been awful all season. Tisdale came to us too knowing the situation and he still didn't get us what we needed when he had the chance to. Forget individual managers PPG; a) theres hardly anything in it anyway, and b) by the time Barton got them they were on a downward spiral. They were a team used to losing essentially, and the rot had set in. You need more than motivation and oranisation, and apart from a few this team is devoid of any significant amount of quality. I don't particularly like Barton but I'm not blinkered enough to realise he talks sense and has an eye for a player. I'll look forward to bumping this thread next season.
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Post by yattongas on May 5, 2021 22:33:08 GMT
Barton came to us knowing what the situation was and his immediate task was to accumulate enough points to avoid relegation. Managers have to MANAGE - that means motivating players and getting them to perform to the best of their ability, as a team, every match. His pathetic PPG cannot be blamed on other people. HE was the manager and HE failed. Someone has to finish bottom and having seen every game we fully deserved that honour. Let's face it we have been awful all season. Tisdale came to us too knowing the situation and he still didn't get us what we needed when he had the chance to. Forget individual managers PPG; a) theres hardly anything in it anyway, and b) by the time Barton got them they were on a downward spiral. They were a team used to losing essentially, and the rot had set in. You need more than motivation and oranisation, and apart from a few this team is devoid of any significant amount of quality. I don't particularly like Barton but I'm not blinkered enough to realise he talks sense and has an eye for a player. I'll look forward to bumping this thread next season. Agreed 😀
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Post by aghast on May 5, 2021 22:37:14 GMT
I think Barton just gave up on the season after seeing what he had to work with, and who he had to work alongside. Maybe with some sort of idea that he would be running the show next season.
After making sure everyone knew he was blameless in all this, of course.
Which doesn't excuse the fact he got less out of the squad than the other two hapless individuals before him.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 5, 2021 22:37:28 GMT
Someone has to finish bottom and having seen every game we fully deserved that honour. Let's face it we have been awful all season. Tisdale came to us too knowing the situation and he still didn't get us what we needed when he had the chance to. Forget individual managers PPG; a) theres hardly anything in it anyway, and b) by the time Barton got them they were on a downward spiral. They were a team used to losing essentially, and the rot had set in. You need more than motivation and oranisation, and apart from a few this team is devoid of any significant amount of quality. I don't particularly like Barton but I'm not blinkered enough to realise he talks sense and has an eye for a player. I'll look forward to bumping this thread next season. Agreed 😀 If you are lucky he will be sent down anyway. Then you will see the sh** we will have to choose from as a L2 club
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Post by yattongas on May 5, 2021 22:39:34 GMT
If you are lucky he will be sent down anyway. Then you will see the sh** we will have to choose from as a L2 club He won’t be sent down.
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Post by Gasshole on May 6, 2021 4:54:11 GMT
If you are lucky he will be sent down anyway. Then you will see the sh** we will have to choose from as a L2 club He won’t be sent down. Agree. Friend of mine is a Barista and he said the same.
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Post by yetigas on May 6, 2021 5:49:22 GMT
Barton came to us knowing what the situation was and his immediate task was to accumulate enough points to avoid relegation. Managers have to MANAGE - that means motivating players and getting them to perform to the best of their ability, as a team, every match. His pathetic PPG cannot be blamed on other people. HE was the manager and HE failed. Someone has to finish bottom and having seen every game we fully deserved that honour. Let's face it we have been awful all season. Tisdale came to us too knowing the situation and he still didn't get us what we needed when he had the chance to. Forget individual managers PPG; a) theres hardly anything in it anyway, and b) by the time Barton got them they were on a downward spiral. They were a team used to losing essentially, and the rot had set in. You need more than motivation and oranisation, and apart from a few this team is devoid of any significant amount of quality. I don't particularly like Barton but I'm not blinkered enough to realise he talks sense and has an eye for a player. I'll look forward to bumping this thread next season. Precisely. And Barton was brought in to turn that around. Good managers can do it (eg Allardyce). Yes it was a challenge but I don't get why so many on here give JB a free pass when he had plenty of time to accumulate enough points to avoid relegation. Not sure why you would want to bump this thread. It is not about next season - he might do very well and I hope he does. My comment is about THIS season and his failure as a manager to keep us in League 1.
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Post by mjg on May 6, 2021 7:31:40 GMT
Agree. Friend of mine is a Barista and he said the same. Smelling the coffee?
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on May 6, 2021 7:39:05 GMT
I will be amazed if he receives a custodial . Utg 💙
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Post by Gassy on May 6, 2021 7:49:13 GMT
Someone has to finish bottom and having seen every game we fully deserved that honour. Let's face it we have been awful all season. Tisdale came to us too knowing the situation and he still didn't get us what we needed when he had the chance to. Forget individual managers PPG; a) theres hardly anything in it anyway, and b) by the time Barton got them they were on a downward spiral. They were a team used to losing essentially, and the rot had set in. You need more than motivation and oranisation, and apart from a few this team is devoid of any significant amount of quality. I don't particularly like Barton but I'm not blinkered enough to realise he talks sense and has an eye for a player. I'll look forward to bumping this thread next season. Precisely. And Barton was brought in to turn that around. Good managers can do it (eg Allardyce). Yes it was a challenge but I don't get why so many on here give JB a free pass when he had plenty of time to accumulate enough points to avoid relegation. Not sure why you would want to bump this thread. It is not about next season - he might do very well and I hope he does. My comment is about THIS season and his failure as a manager to keep us in League 1. The same Allerdyce who had a January transfer window and still couldn’t turn it around? I don’t anyone is giving him a free pass - anyone who says he is completely free of responsibility is just plain wrong. Joey admitted it himself. The difference is that people aren’t blaming him for taking us down. And likewise anyone who is, is just plain wrong.
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Post by warwickgas on May 6, 2021 8:11:56 GMT
It doesn’t appear that posters are taking in to account our poor fitness levels due to the ,allegedly, inadequate pre season preparattions at Rovers. Most supporters can see that we couldn’t match the fitness of other teams particularly late in the game - the stamina just wasn’t there. The yardstick has to be McCormick who was our best, and fittest, player. Huge levels of energy and workrate undoubtedly helped by his pre season at Chelsea, not Rovers. JB will sort this.
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Post by orgasmic on May 6, 2021 8:47:48 GMT
Precisely. And Barton was brought in to turn that around. Good managers can do it (eg Allardyce). Yes it was a challenge but I don't get why so many on here give JB a free pass when he had plenty of time to accumulate enough points to avoid relegation. Not sure why you would want to bump this thread. It is not about next season - he might do very well and I hope he does. My comment is about THIS season and his failure as a manager to keep us in League 1. The same Allerdyce who had a January transfer window and still couldn’t turn it around? I don’t anyone is giving him a free pass - anyone who says he is completely free of responsibility is just plain wrong. Joey admitted it himself. The difference is that people aren’t blaming him for taking us down. And likewise anyone who is, is just plain wrong. Actually JB refused to take responsibility and said it wasn’t going on his CV.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on May 6, 2021 10:04:35 GMT
Agree. Friend of mine is a Barista and he said the same. He makes coffee???
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Post by Gassy on May 6, 2021 10:11:28 GMT
The same Allerdyce who had a January transfer window and still couldn’t turn it around? I don’t anyone is giving him a free pass - anyone who says he is completely free of responsibility is just plain wrong. Joey admitted it himself. The difference is that people aren’t blaming him for taking us down. And likewise anyone who is, is just plain wrong. Actually JB refused to take responsibility and said it wasn’t going on his CV. You’re right he did say that, but he did also say that it’s also on him. 🤷♂️
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 6, 2021 10:25:05 GMT
It doesn’t appear that posters are taking in to account our poor fitness levels due to the ,allegedly, inadequate pre season preparattions at Rovers. Most supporters can see that we couldn’t match the fitness of other teams particularly late in the game - the stamina just wasn’t there. The yardstick has to be McCormick who was our best, and fittest, player. Huge levels of energy and workrate undoubtedly helped by his pre season at Chelsea, not Rovers. JB will sort this. Nah PPG is all that matters. You cant throw any logic and/or context into the argument. Certain gasheads dont like Joey because he has been a naughty boy in the past... as if this were a creche not a football club
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Post by orgasmic on May 6, 2021 14:29:29 GMT
It doesn’t appear that posters are taking in to account our poor fitness levels due to the ,allegedly, inadequate pre season preparattions at Rovers. Most supporters can see that we couldn’t match the fitness of other teams particularly late in the game - the stamina just wasn’t there. The yardstick has to be McCormick who was our best, and fittest, player. Huge levels of energy and workrate undoubtedly helped by his pre season at Chelsea, not Rovers. JB will sort this. Nah PPG is all that matters. You cant throw any logic and/or context into the argument. Certain gasheads dont like Joey because he has been a naughty boy in the past... as if this were a creche not a football club I don’t care that he’s been a naughty boy, I care that his performance as manager has been crap. He took over a team outside of the relegation zone and looks set to have guided them to bottom! Unfortunate with injuries? Yes. Poor squad? Yes (although he knew what he was inheriting). He still performed worse than Ben f**king Garner. A lazy, people don’t like him because he’s had a few scraps is potentially true of some, but others like me just think he has underperformed and gave up early.
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Post by Jomo on May 6, 2021 14:45:14 GMT
Nah PPG is all that matters. You cant throw any logic and/or context into the argument. Certain gasheads dont like Joey because he has been a naughty boy in the past... as if this were a creche not a football club I don’t care that he’s been a naughty boy, I care that his performance as manager has been crap. He took over a team outside of the relegation zone and looks set to have guided them to bottom! Unfortunate with injuries? Yes. Poor squad? Yes (although he knew what he was inheriting). He still performed worse than Ben f**king Garner. A lazy, people don’t like him because he’s had a few scraps is potentially true of some, but others like me just think he has underperformed and gave up early. This is how I feel too. I didn't dislike him before, I didn't dislike him when he arrived and I don't dislike him now. My assessment of him as manager so far is based on objectively looking at the results and in particular the decline in performances since the Shrewsbury game. Thing is JB actually did improve us initially. Much better pressing, more confidence and more chance creation plus fewer chances conceded. However that all went out of the window after his ridiculous rants about Ehmer and the previous regimes, which I've little doubt would have had a detrimental effect on the morale of the team, which was already low. He's been dealt a bad hand there is no doubt about that, and I want him to succeed, but he could and should have done much better even with this poor squad. I can understand people not wanting him to be given too much blame and I can understand the point that he didn't have a transfer window. However he has managed more games than BG and PT did, and he had the same squad aside from injuries to Nicholson and Jaak for the first part. I therefore cannot understand how so many Gasheads seem reluctant to give him any criticism?
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 6, 2021 14:48:47 GMT
Nah PPG is all that matters. You cant throw any logic and/or context into the argument. Certain gasheads dont like Joey because he has been a naughty boy in the past... as if this were a creche not a football club I don’t care that he’s been a naughty boy, I care that his performance as manager has been crap. He took over a team outside of the relegation zone and looks set to have guided them to bottom! Unfortunate with injuries? Yes. Poor squad? Yes (although he knew what he was inheriting). He still performed worse than Ben f**king Garner. A lazy, people don’t like him because he’s had a few scraps is potentially true of some, but others like me just think he has underperformed and gave up early. Ok so whats the solution sack yet another one?
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Post by keygas on May 6, 2021 15:57:50 GMT
Nah PPG is all that matters. You cant throw any logic and/or context into the argument. Certain gasheads dont like Joey because he has been a naughty boy in the past... as if this were a creche not a football club I don’t care that he’s been a naughty boy, I care that his performance as manager has been crap. He took over a team outside of the relegation zone and looks set to have guided them to bottom! Unfortunate with injuries? Yes. Poor squad? Yes (although he knew what he was inheriting). He still performed worse than Ben f**king Garner. A lazy, people don’t like him because he’s had a few scraps is potentially true of some, but others like me just think he has underperformed and gave up early. Like Barton or not I think it’s only fair to give a shot at turning this club around, we can’t keep changing managers & hopefully find a magic formula to sort our problems out. You only have to look across the city where Pearson’s record since taking over has been pretty poor & they’re going to finish a lot lower than when he took charge, but they’re still giving him a 3 year contract. So it’s time for Joey to shut up & get started on sorting out the problems he’s inherited & hopefully build a squad capable of getting us back in league 1 at the very least.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 6, 2021 16:28:49 GMT
I don’t care that he’s been a naughty boy, I care that his performance as manager has been crap. He took over a team outside of the relegation zone and looks set to have guided them to bottom! Unfortunate with injuries? Yes. Poor squad? Yes (although he knew what he was inheriting). He still performed worse than Ben f**king Garner. A lazy, people don’t like him because he’s had a few scraps is potentially true of some, but others like me just think he has underperformed and gave up early. Like Barton or not I think it’s only fair to give a shot at turning this club around, we can’t keep changing managers & hopefully find a magic formula to sort our problems out. You only have to look across the city where Pearson’s record since taking over has been pretty poor & they’re going to finish a lot lower than when he took charge, but they’re still giving him a 3 year contract. So it’s time for Joey to shut up & get started on sorting out the problems he’s inherited & hopefully build a squad capable of getting us back in league 1 at the very least. Agreed. Nigel Pearson and Paul Cook are good managers who have found themselves struggling with their teams, but at least they had decent players to work with unlike Barton. Some people need to give him some slack and see what he produces next season instead of constantly moaning and not offering any alternative.
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