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Post by cj on May 4, 2021 22:40:48 GMT
Yes it was amazing for them. Some how they made it happen and fair shout to them. I'm not privy to their situation so it's just guess work here but maybe they had space available in their 23 man limit to make these signings. Or maybe they were able to ship players out to free space to make these signings. Do you know their circumstances or are you just throwing their name in here to meet your agenda? Hmm.
Out of curiosity, are there any other examples of teams making that many signing in January? You may find a couple but I doubt you will find that many. You have a lot of knowledge in the game pirate so you should know that the January window is notoriously difficult to make many changes. Just because 1 or a few can do it under their own circumstances, doesn't mean we could do it. When was the last time our own club was able to make that many changes in January? Do you really believe with the squad size we already had, that we could get rid of enough players AND go out and make that many more signings? Agenda? What agenda? Lol. Unless you count wanting us to improve our attacking options in January when it was desperately clear to everyone that was needed, as an 'agenda'? We didn't need 9 signings, just 2 or 3 improvements in attacking areas, but as we all know that failed to materialise and we paid the ultimate price for our failure. The agenda reference.... Ever since JB was linked with the job you were extremely pro JB (which you were entitled to do) and when he was announced, you took great delight in rubbing it in peoples faces who were not impressed with his arrival. This forum quickly became not a nice place to visit at that point. It wasn't just you of course but the mocking and gloating aimed at your fellow gasheads was not really pleasant. We were told to go and support another team. We were told to follow City instead. We told we were not true fans. All the while laughing and mocking our responses. A few posters left because of this and I kept my distance too at times. We were told that JB will keep us up as well. It has obviously not worked out so well under JB. What has happened to our club is what a few of us said would happen and was mocked for. Yet the 'love in' for JB by some fans is stronger than ever because some still believe that JB is gods gift to us and believe all the crap that comes out his mouth and fail to see any negatives and won't have a bad word said about him. Why is that? Maybe because after getting it wrong with BG and getting it wrong with PT, they are too embarrassed to admit they got it wrong with JB. Fact is, JB's record with the same set of players that PT had is worse. Much worse. But like I said, some won't accept a bad word said of him. Some refuse to accept how crap JB has performed but gives credit to JB for the crap that comes out of his mouth, probably because they can't/won't admit they were wrong and the treatment shown to others was wrong too. But hey-ho. Whatever floats your boat I guess. I didn't want PT and glad he was sacked. I didn't want JB and he has done worse than PT with the same set of players. Yet some are prepared to give him the keys to Bristol.
PT did try to get a striker in. That has been well documented. Going by Wael's interview, Stockley seemed a done deal. PT should have had other options though ready as back up in case Stockley decided not to come. In that sense, PT failed. But how many strikers were available in January? Again, my point still stands that it is very hard to sign players in that window, especially strikers because every club is looking for them too. By the same token, JB failed to sign a striker too. Surely there was a striker without a club who we could have signed outside a transfer window? There we go.
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Post by pirate on May 5, 2021 0:16:23 GMT
Agenda? What agenda? Lol. Unless you count wanting us to improve our attacking options in January when it was desperately clear to everyone that was needed, as an 'agenda'? We didn't need 9 signings, just 2 or 3 improvements in attacking areas, but as we all know that failed to materialise and we paid the ultimate price for our failure. The agenda reference.... Ever since JB was linked with the job you were extremely pro JB (which you were entitled to do) and when he was announced, you took great delight in rubbing it in peoples faces who were not impressed with his arrival. This forum quickly became not a nice place to visit at that point. It wasn't just you of course but the mocking and gloating aimed at your fellow gasheads was not really pleasant. We were told to go and support another team. We were told to follow City instead. We told we were not true fans. All the while laughing and mocking our responses. A few posters left because of this and I kept my distance too at times. We were told that JB will keep us up as well. It has obviously not worked out so well under JB. What has happened to our club is what a few of us said would happen and was mocked for. Yet the 'love in' for JB by some fans is stronger than ever because some still believe that JB is gods gift to us and believe all the crap that comes out his mouth and fail to see any negatives and won't have a bad word said about him. Why is that? Maybe because after getting it wrong with BG and getting it wrong with PT, they are too embarrassed to admit they got it wrong with JB. Fact is, JB's record with the same set of players that PT had is worse. Much worse. But like I said, some won't accept a bad word said of him. Some refuse to accept how crap JB has performed but gives credit to JB for the crap that comes out of his mouth, probably because they can't/won't admit they were wrong and the treatment shown to others was wrong too. But hey-ho. Whatever floats your boat I guess. I didn't want PT and glad he was sacked. I didn't want JB and he has done worse than PT with the same set of players. Yet some are prepared to give him the keys to Bristol.
PT did try to get a striker in. That has been well documented. Going by Wael's interview, Stockley seemed a done deal. PT should have had other options though ready as back up in case Stockley decided not to come. In that sense, PT failed. But how many strikers were available in January? Again, my point still stands that it is very hard to sign players in that window, especially strikers because every club is looking for them too. By the same token, JB failed to sign a striker too. Surely there was a striker without a club who we could have signed outside a transfer window? There we go.
Showing support for our manager, rather than anything else. And I didn't tell anyone "to go and support another team" or "to follow City instead", so I don't want to be lumped into that category. I do remember posting "Joey Barton's Blue and White Army" a few times, which some people seemed to laughably get offended by and even absurdly resulted in a forum ban for myself for 24 hours, but hey ho. Joey probably hasn't done as well as I would have expected in terms of results, but there are numerous extenuating circumstances that I don't want to go into again because it's been done to death and I'm not sure any manager would have done much with this woeful group of players in the same circumstances. As a supporter I'm willing to give him a clean slate to build a side and am confident with his own group of players he will have us challenging for promotion. Why am I confident? Because he has a decent eye for a player and managed to put together a decent squad at Fleetwood that played some good football. If he fails next season then I will be the first to offer criticism, don't worry about that. And for the record I counted at least 37 attack minded players that moved to League One clubs in January alone. No excuse for Tisdale and Widdrington not to improve our options in that window and like I said before we paid the ultimate price for our poor business in January... AND the summer. Club record home and overall defeats for a season, club record most games without scoring and ultimately relegation.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on May 5, 2021 2:06:49 GMT
Amazing how Burton were able to sign 9 players in January to lift them clear of relegation. When was the last time our own club was able to make that many changes in January? Do you really believe with the squad size we already had, that we could get rid of enough players AND go out and make that many more signings? Not quite 9 but we made 7 additions to our squad in Jan 2020. 3 permanent (Daly, Harries, Barrett), 4 loans (Abraham, Ginnelly, Mitchell-Lawson, Blackman). As for whether we could have made many signings with the size of squad we had then yes we could. With the cap out of the window we would just have to nominate some players to pay but not play. Nicholson and Ehmer were two playing through injury, we could have brought their ops forward and stuck them on the sick list. Bodin got injured again pretty quickly but he was willing and available and wouldn’t have cost us anything in wages there will have been others available where a wages arrangement wouldn’t have broken the bank. Also We hardly used Hargreaves, Koiki or Tutonda so although it might put their nose out of joint we could have put them off the squad list to make room for three more. Ozzy after COVID was another we could have parked etc. Truth is whilst we could have done it, we chose not to and Tis put all his eggs in one basket (Stockley) and like the James Constable and Chris Wood fiascos it didn’t materialise.
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Post by gulfofaden on May 5, 2021 4:59:21 GMT
Agenda? What agenda? Lol. Unless you count wanting us to improve our attacking options in January when it was desperately clear to everyone that was needed, as an 'agenda'? We didn't need 9 signings, just 2 or 3 improvements in attacking areas, but as we all know that failed to materialise and we paid the ultimate price for our failure. The agenda reference.... Ever since JB was linked with the job you were extremely pro JB (which you were entitled to do) and when he was announced, you took great delight in rubbing it in peoples faces who were not impressed with his arrival. This forum quickly became not a nice place to visit at that point. It wasn't just you of course but the mocking and gloating aimed at your fellow gasheads was not really pleasant. We were told to go and support another team. We were told to follow City instead. We told we were not true fans. All the while laughing and mocking our responses. A few posters left because of this and I kept my distance too at times. We were told that JB will keep us up as well. It has obviously not worked out so well under JB. What has happened to our club is what a few of us said would happen and was mocked for. Yet the 'love in' for JB by some fans is stronger than ever because some still believe that JB is gods gift to us and believe all the crap that comes out his mouth and fail to see any negatives and won't have a bad word said about him. Why is that? Maybe because after getting it wrong with BG and getting it wrong with PT, they are too embarrassed to admit they got it wrong with JB. Fact is, JB's record with the same set of players that PT had is worse. Much worse. But like I said, some won't accept a bad word said of him. Some refuse to accept how crap JB has performed but gives credit to JB for the crap that comes out of his mouth, probably because they can't/won't admit they were wrong and the treatment shown to others was wrong too. But hey-ho. Whatever floats your boat I guess. I didn't want PT and glad he was sacked. I didn't want JB and he has done worse than PT with the same set of players. Yet some are prepared to give him the keys to Bristol.
PT did try to get a striker in. That has been well documented. Going by Wael's interview, Stockley seemed a done deal. PT should have had other options though ready as back up in case Stockley decided not to come. In that sense, PT failed. But how many strikers were available in January? Again, my point still stands that it is very hard to sign players in that window, especially strikers because every club is looking for them too. By the same token, JB failed to sign a striker too. Surely there was a striker without a club who we could have signed outside a transfer window? There we go.
Ignore him. Or give a bit back.
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Post by RD on May 5, 2021 5:24:09 GMT
Agenda? What agenda? Lol. Unless you count wanting us to improve our attacking options in January when it was desperately clear to everyone that was needed, as an 'agenda'? We didn't need 9 signings, just 2 or 3 improvements in attacking areas, but as we all know that failed to materialise and we paid the ultimate price for our failure. The agenda reference.... Ever since JB was linked with the job you were extremely pro JB (which you were entitled to do) and when he was announced, you took great delight in rubbing it in peoples faces who were not impressed with his arrival. This forum quickly became not a nice place to visit at that point. It wasn't just you of course but the mocking and gloating aimed at your fellow gasheads was not really pleasant. We were told to go and support another team. We were told to follow City instead. We told we were not true fans. All the while laughing and mocking our responses. A few posters left because of this and I kept my distance too at times. We were told that JB will keep us up as well. It has obviously not worked out so well under JB. What has happened to our club is what a few of us said would happen and was mocked for. Yet the 'love in' for JB by some fans is stronger than ever because some still believe that JB is gods gift to us and believe all the crap that comes out his mouth and fail to see any negatives and won't have a bad word said about him. Why is that? Maybe because after getting it wrong with BG and getting it wrong with PT, they are too embarrassed to admit they got it wrong with JB. Fact is, JB's record with the same set of players that PT had is worse. Much worse. But like I said, some won't accept a bad word said of him. Some refuse to accept how crap JB has performed but gives credit to JB for the crap that comes out of his mouth, probably because they can't/won't admit they were wrong and the treatment shown to others was wrong too. But hey-ho. Whatever floats your boat I guess. I didn't want PT and glad he was sacked. I didn't want JB and he has done worse than PT with the same set of players. Yet some are prepared to give him the keys to Bristol.
PT did try to get a striker in. That has been well documented. Going by Wael's interview, Stockley seemed a done deal. PT should have had other options though ready as back up in case Stockley decided not to come. In that sense, PT failed. But how many strikers were available in January? Again, my point still stands that it is very hard to sign players in that window, especially strikers because every club is looking for them too. By the same token, JB failed to sign a striker too. Surely there was a striker without a club who we could have signed outside a transfer window? There we go.
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Post by cj on May 5, 2021 13:40:40 GMT
When was the last time our own club was able to make that many changes in January? Do you really believe with the squad size we already had, that we could get rid of enough players AND go out and make that many more signings? Not quite 9 but we made 7 additions to our squad in Jan 2020. 3 permanent (Daly, Harries, Barrett), 4 loans (Abraham, Ginnelly, Mitchell-Lawson, Blackman). As for whether we could have made many signings with the size of squad we had then yes we could. With the cap out of the window we would just have to nominate some players to pay but not play. Nicholson and Ehmer were two playing through injury, we could have brought their ops forward and stuck them on the sick list. Bodin got injured again pretty quickly but he was willing and available and wouldn’t have cost us anything in wages there will have been others available where a wages arrangement wouldn’t have broken the bank. Also We hardly used Hargreaves, Koiki or Tutonda so although it might put their nose out of joint we could have put them off the squad list to make room for three more. Ozzy after COVID was another we could have parked etc. Truth is whilst we could have done it, we chose not to and Tis put all his eggs in one basket (Stockley) and like the James Constable and Chris Wood fiascos it didn’t materialise. I have no idea why and I doubt any on here know why either, but why didn't JB sign any out of contract players, if we had the squad space and wage budget available? Surely there would have been someone he could have signed. Is this not failure on his part? I've said this a few times now but that point seems to have been missed by those supporting JB (unless I have missed it and I apologise if I have).
Im just trying to be fair here. I've said it numerous times, im not sticking up for PT as I didn't want him and glad he was sacked but I don't care what anyone says, the January window is a very difficult window. What we lacked was a striker. Stockley was on his way but the last minute he changed his mind and it was too late to get someone else. PT failed as should have had back ups ready. PT is a massive reason why we when down but if people are blaming his lack of transfer business then these same people need to be fair and blame JB for the same as he failed to bring in players who were available as had no club. But some refuse that because JB can do no wrong apparently!
I understand why people are wiling to give JB a chance to fix things just to give him 10-15 games (as some has stated). I was the same about keeping BG after the end of last season to give him a chance to bring in his own players. He was given a chance but failed. Our problem is we never learn from our mistakes. JB has shown to me to be worse than BG and I just don't think he is good enough and instead of wasting the summer on a new squad rebuild and trusting him with all our budget, we should just cut our loses with him as he has been poor and get someone else in (don't ask me who as it's not my job but anyone would be an improvement right now), because we are screwed if we stay with JB. Season will be over before it starts.
Just my opinion though. I love humble pie so im happy to be proven wrong. I just don't get the chance to eat it enough.
Anyway, im done now with this topic as really not interested in going around circles. Have a good one Wembley Gas.
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Post by pirate on May 5, 2021 14:10:42 GMT
Not quite 9 but we made 7 additions to our squad in Jan 2020. 3 permanent (Daly, Harries, Barrett), 4 loans (Abraham, Ginnelly, Mitchell-Lawson, Blackman). As for whether we could have made many signings with the size of squad we had then yes we could. With the cap out of the window we would just have to nominate some players to pay but not play. Nicholson and Ehmer were two playing through injury, we could have brought their ops forward and stuck them on the sick list. Bodin got injured again pretty quickly but he was willing and available and wouldn’t have cost us anything in wages there will have been others available where a wages arrangement wouldn’t have broken the bank. Also We hardly used Hargreaves, Koiki or Tutonda so although it might put their nose out of joint we could have put them off the squad list to make room for three more. Ozzy after COVID was another we could have parked etc. Truth is whilst we could have done it, we chose not to and Tis put all his eggs in one basket (Stockley) and like the James Constable and Chris Wood fiascos it didn’t materialise. I have no idea why and I doubt any on here know why either, but why didn't JB sign any out of contract players, if we had the squad space and wage budget available? Surely there would have been someone he could have signed. Is this not failure on his part? I've said this a few times now but that point seems to have been missed by those supporting JB (unless I have missed it and I apologise if I have).
Im just trying to be fair here. I've said it numerous times, im not sticking up for PT as I didn't want him and glad he was sacked but I don't care what anyone says, the January window is a very difficult window. What we lacked was a striker. Stockley was on his way but the last minute he changed his mind and it was too late to get someone else. PT failed as should have had back ups ready. PT is a massive reason why we when down but if people are blaming his lack of transfer business then these same people need to be fair and blame JB for the same as he failed to bring in players who were available as had no club. But some refuse that because JB can do no wrong apparently! Because the options were crap or unrealistic. I posted a few names on here, but in reality it was a poor list. The only decent option would have possibly been Marc Pugh and he hadn't played for a couple of months and not sure what shape he was in.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on May 5, 2021 14:33:34 GMT
I have no idea why and I doubt any on here know why either, but why didn't JB sign any out of contract players, if we had the squad space and wage budget available? Surely there would have been someone he could have signed. Is this not failure on his part? I've said this a few times now but that point seems to have been missed by those supporting JB (unless I have missed it and I apologise if I have).
Im just trying to be fair here. I've said it numerous times, im not sticking up for PT as I didn't want him and glad he was sacked but I don't care what anyone says, the January window is a very difficult window. What we lacked was a striker. Stockley was on his way but the last minute he changed his mind and it was too late to get someone else. PT failed as should have had back ups ready. PT is a massive reason why we when down but if people are blaming his lack of transfer business then these same people need to be fair and blame JB for the same as he failed to bring in players who were available as had no club. But some refuse that because JB can do no wrong apparently! Because the options were crap or unrealistic. I posted a few names on here, but in reality it was a poor list. The only decent option would have possibly been Marc Pugh and he hadn't played for a couple of months and not sure what shape he was in. I agree Pirate but you must realise he’s done with it now and is not interested in going round in circles. The debate has apparently run its course. I am amused that by demonstrating rovers have managed a significant alteration of the squad in a previous January that apparently means I am pro JB and he can do no wrong. I am pro-Bristol Rovers and several of our previous managerial appointments including the current incumbent have done plenty wrong!! If we learn from those mistakes and not keep making the same ones that will be a start. A major overhaul of the squad after a demotion could go one of two ways, when DC cleared out the deadwood and reiterated the values expected of professional players we got a double promotion, when Buckle cleared out the deadwood and assembled a completely new team for a fan base he considered were over-expectant Bristolian ****s we got a few astute signings that had good careers both with rovers and beyond but ultimately resulted in a failing side. Obviously I am hoping we get the former this time around!
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 5, 2021 16:17:51 GMT
Not quite 9 but we made 7 additions to our squad in Jan 2020. 3 permanent (Daly, Harries, Barrett), 4 loans (Abraham, Ginnelly, Mitchell-Lawson, Blackman). As for whether we could have made many signings with the size of squad we had then yes we could. With the cap out of the window we would just have to nominate some players to pay but not play. Nicholson and Ehmer were two playing through injury, we could have brought their ops forward and stuck them on the sick list. Bodin got injured again pretty quickly but he was willing and available and wouldn’t have cost us anything in wages there will have been others available where a wages arrangement wouldn’t have broken the bank. Also We hardly used Hargreaves, Koiki or Tutonda so although it might put their nose out of joint we could have put them off the squad list to make room for three more. Ozzy after COVID was another we could have parked etc. Truth is whilst we could have done it, we chose not to and Tis put all his eggs in one basket (Stockley) and like the James Constable and Chris Wood fiascos it didn’t materialise. I have no idea why and I doubt any on here know why either, but why didn't JB sign any out of contract players, if we had the squad space and wage budget available? Surely there would have been someone he could have signed. Is this not failure on his part? I've said this a few times now but that point seems to have been missed by those supporting JB (unless I have missed it and I apologise if I have).
Im just trying to be fair here. I've said it numerous times, im not sticking up for PT as I didn't want him and glad he was sacked but I don't care what anyone says, the January window is a very difficult window. What we lacked was a striker. Stockley was on his way but the last minute he changed his mind and it was too late to get someone else. PT failed as should have had back ups ready. PT is a massive reason why we when down but if people are blaming his lack of transfer business then these same people need to be fair and blame JB for the same as he failed to bring in players who were available as had no club. But some refuse that because JB can do no wrong apparently!
I understand why people are wiling to give JB a chance to fix things just to give him 10-15 games (as some has stated). I was the same about keeping BG after the end of last season to give him a chance to bring in his own players. He was given a chance but failed. Our problem is we never learn from our mistakes. JB has shown to me to be worse than BG and I just don't think he is good enough and instead of wasting the summer on a new squad rebuild and trusting him with all our budget, we should just cut our loses with him as he has been poor and get someone else in (don't ask me who as it's not my job but anyone would be an improvement right now), because we are screwed if we stay with JB. Season will be over before it starts.
Just my opinion though. I love humble pie so im happy to be proven wrong. I just don't get the chance to eat it enough.
Anyway, im done now with this topic as really not interested in going around circles. Have a good one Wembley Gas.
Right, so you say the January window is a difficult window, yet Barton was expected to bring in someone unattached that would have the fitness and quality to make an immediate impact to our starting XI, that all other clubs have seemingly missed?
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Post by pirate on May 5, 2021 16:22:57 GMT
I have no idea why and I doubt any on here know why either, but why didn't JB sign any out of contract players, if we had the squad space and wage budget available? Surely there would have been someone he could have signed. Is this not failure on his part? I've said this a few times now but that point seems to have been missed by those supporting JB (unless I have missed it and I apologise if I have).
Im just trying to be fair here. I've said it numerous times, im not sticking up for PT as I didn't want him and glad he was sacked but I don't care what anyone says, the January window is a very difficult window. What we lacked was a striker. Stockley was on his way but the last minute he changed his mind and it was too late to get someone else. PT failed as should have had back ups ready. PT is a massive reason why we when down but if people are blaming his lack of transfer business then these same people need to be fair and blame JB for the same as he failed to bring in players who were available as had no club. But some refuse that because JB can do no wrong apparently!
I understand why people are wiling to give JB a chance to fix things just to give him 10-15 games (as some has stated). I was the same about keeping BG after the end of last season to give him a chance to bring in his own players. He was given a chance but failed. Our problem is we never learn from our mistakes. JB has shown to me to be worse than BG and I just don't think he is good enough and instead of wasting the summer on a new squad rebuild and trusting him with all our budget, we should just cut our loses with him as he has been poor and get someone else in (don't ask me who as it's not my job but anyone would be an improvement right now), because we are screwed if we stay with JB. Season will be over before it starts.
Just my opinion though. I love humble pie so im happy to be proven wrong. I just don't get the chance to eat it enough.
Anyway, im done now with this topic as really not interested in going around circles. Have a good one Wembley Gas.
Right, so you say the January window is a difficult window, yet Barton was expected to bring in someone unattached that would have the fitness and quality to make an immediate impact to our starting XI, that all other clubs have seemingly missed? Gaschat logic
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Post by orgasmic on May 5, 2021 17:01:47 GMT
I have no idea why and I doubt any on here know why either, but why didn't JB sign any out of contract players, if we had the squad space and wage budget available? Surely there would have been someone he could have signed. Is this not failure on his part? I've said this a few times now but that point seems to have been missed by those supporting JB (unless I have missed it and I apologise if I have).
Im just trying to be fair here. I've said it numerous times, im not sticking up for PT as I didn't want him and glad he was sacked but I don't care what anyone says, the January window is a very difficult window. What we lacked was a striker. Stockley was on his way but the last minute he changed his mind and it was too late to get someone else. PT failed as should have had back ups ready. PT is a massive reason why we when down but if people are blaming his lack of transfer business then these same people need to be fair and blame JB for the same as he failed to bring in players who were available as had no club. But some refuse that because JB can do no wrong apparently!
I understand why people are wiling to give JB a chance to fix things just to give him 10-15 games (as some has stated). I was the same about keeping BG after the end of last season to give him a chance to bring in his own players. He was given a chance but failed. Our problem is we never learn from our mistakes. JB has shown to me to be worse than BG and I just don't think he is good enough and instead of wasting the summer on a new squad rebuild and trusting him with all our budget, we should just cut our loses with him as he has been poor and get someone else in (don't ask me who as it's not my job but anyone would be an improvement right now), because we are screwed if we stay with JB. Season will be over before it starts.
Just my opinion though. I love humble pie so im happy to be proven wrong. I just don't get the chance to eat it enough.
Anyway, im done now with this topic as really not interested in going around circles. Have a good one Wembley Gas.
Right, so you say the January window is a difficult window, yet Barton was expected to bring in someone unattached that would have the fitness and quality to make an immediate impact to our starting XI, that all other clubs have seemingly missed? See thread titled 1290 mins. A one legged, blind, asthmatic gimp could have produced those results. I don't agree with the arguments on either side totally but surely there was someone available better than the utter failures we had in the starting 11 every week?
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Post by pirate on May 5, 2021 17:03:57 GMT
Right, so you say the January window is a difficult window, yet Barton was expected to bring in someone unattached that would have the fitness and quality to make an immediate impact to our starting XI, that all other clubs have seemingly missed? See thread titled 1290 mins. A one legged, blind, asthmatic gimp could have produced those results. I don't agree with the arguments on either side totally but surely there was someone available better than the utter failures we had in the starting 11 every week? No, there wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 17:08:07 GMT
Agenda? What agenda? Lol. Unless you count wanting us to improve our attacking options in January when it was desperately clear to everyone that was needed, as an 'agenda'? We didn't need 9 signings, just 2 or 3 improvements in attacking areas, but as we all know that failed to materialise and we paid the ultimate price for our failure. The agenda reference.... Ever since JB was linked with the job you were extremely pro JB (which you were entitled to do) and when he was announced, you took great delight in rubbing it in peoples faces who were not impressed with his arrival. This forum quickly became not a nice place to visit at that point. It wasn't just you of course but the mocking and gloating aimed at your fellow gasheads was not really pleasant. We were told to go and support another team. We were told to follow City instead. We told we were not true fans. All the while laughing and mocking our responses. A few posters left because of this and I kept my distance too at times. We were told that JB will keep us up as well. It has obviously not worked out so well under JB. What has happened to our club is what a few of us said would happen and was mocked for. Yet the 'love in' for JB by some fans is stronger than ever because some still believe that JB is gods gift to us and believe all the crap that comes out his mouth and fail to see any negatives and won't have a bad word said about him. Why is that? Maybe because after getting it wrong with BG and getting it wrong with PT, they are too embarrassed to admit they got it wrong with JB. Fact is, JB's record with the same set of players that PT had is worse. Much worse. But like I said, some won't accept a bad word said of him. Some refuse to accept how crap JB has performed but gives credit to JB for the crap that comes out of his mouth, probably because they can't/won't admit they were wrong and the treatment shown to others was wrong too. But hey-ho. Whatever floats your boat I guess. I didn't want PT and glad he was sacked. I didn't want JB and he has done worse than PT with the same set of players. Yet some are prepared to give him the keys to Bristol.
PT did try to get a striker in. That has been well documented. Going by Wael's interview, Stockley seemed a done deal. PT should have had other options though ready as back up in case Stockley decided not to come. In that sense, PT failed. But how many strikers were available in January? Again, my point still stands that it is very hard to sign players in that window, especially strikers because every club is looking for them too. By the same token, JB failed to sign a striker too. Surely there was a striker without a club who we could have signed outside a transfer window? There we go.
Whilst there were differing opinions regarding the appointment of JB, I don't recall all this "mocking and gloating" which you refer to.
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Post by orgasmic on May 5, 2021 20:04:25 GMT
See thread titled 1290 mins. A one legged, blind, asthmatic gimp could have produced those results. I don't agree with the arguments on either side totally but surely there was someone available better than the utter failures we had in the starting 11 every week? No, there wasn't. Agree to disagree. Could have paid up a contract of someone out of favour in their last year so they could negotiate leaving on a free. With respect, I’d wager you would have been an improvement on our front 3!
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Post by cj on May 5, 2021 20:58:52 GMT
The agenda reference.... Ever since JB was linked with the job you were extremely pro JB (which you were entitled to do) and when he was announced, you took great delight in rubbing it in peoples faces who were not impressed with his arrival. This forum quickly became not a nice place to visit at that point. It wasn't just you of course but the mocking and gloating aimed at your fellow gasheads was not really pleasant. We were told to go and support another team. We were told to follow City instead. We told we were not true fans. All the while laughing and mocking our responses. A few posters left because of this and I kept my distance too at times. We were told that JB will keep us up as well. It has obviously not worked out so well under JB. What has happened to our club is what a few of us said would happen and was mocked for. Yet the 'love in' for JB by some fans is stronger than ever because some still believe that JB is gods gift to us and believe all the crap that comes out his mouth and fail to see any negatives and won't have a bad word said about him. Why is that? Maybe because after getting it wrong with BG and getting it wrong with PT, they are too embarrassed to admit they got it wrong with JB. Fact is, JB's record with the same set of players that PT had is worse. Much worse. But like I said, some won't accept a bad word said of him. Some refuse to accept how crap JB has performed but gives credit to JB for the crap that comes out of his mouth, probably because they can't/won't admit they were wrong and the treatment shown to others was wrong too. But hey-ho. Whatever floats your boat I guess. I didn't want PT and glad he was sacked. I didn't want JB and he has done worse than PT with the same set of players. Yet some are prepared to give him the keys to Bristol.
PT did try to get a striker in. That has been well documented. Going by Wael's interview, Stockley seemed a done deal. PT should have had other options though ready as back up in case Stockley decided not to come. In that sense, PT failed. But how many strikers were available in January? Again, my point still stands that it is very hard to sign players in that window, especially strikers because every club is looking for them too. By the same token, JB failed to sign a striker too. Surely there was a striker without a club who we could have signed outside a transfer window? There we go.
Whilst there were differing opinions regarding the appointment of JB, I don't recall all this "mocking and gloating" which you refer to. That's fine if you don't recall it. I do though. If you are fussed about it and want to check then ask some mods like axegas for example. He got some of it himself. Differing opinions is all fine and well. I enjoy a good debate. I just don't see the need for the P**s takes towards fellow fans for having a different opinion.
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Post by pirate on May 5, 2021 21:01:12 GMT
Agree to disagree. Could have paid up a contract of someone out of favour in their last year so they could negotiate leaving on a free. With respect, I’d wager you would have been an improvement on our front 3! You can't sign someone unless they were released before the end of the last transfer window deadline, so that scenario wouldn't have been possible.
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Post by cj on May 5, 2021 21:12:57 GMT
I have no idea why and I doubt any on here know why either, but why didn't JB sign any out of contract players, if we had the squad space and wage budget available? Surely there would have been someone he could have signed. Is this not failure on his part? I've said this a few times now but that point seems to have been missed by those supporting JB (unless I have missed it and I apologise if I have).
Im just trying to be fair here. I've said it numerous times, im not sticking up for PT as I didn't want him and glad he was sacked but I don't care what anyone says, the January window is a very difficult window. What we lacked was a striker. Stockley was on his way but the last minute he changed his mind and it was too late to get someone else. PT failed as should have had back ups ready. PT is a massive reason why we when down but if people are blaming his lack of transfer business then these same people need to be fair and blame JB for the same as he failed to bring in players who were available as had no club. But some refuse that because JB can do no wrong apparently!
I understand why people are wiling to give JB a chance to fix things just to give him 10-15 games (as some has stated). I was the same about keeping BG after the end of last season to give him a chance to bring in his own players. He was given a chance but failed. Our problem is we never learn from our mistakes. JB has shown to me to be worse than BG and I just don't think he is good enough and instead of wasting the summer on a new squad rebuild and trusting him with all our budget, we should just cut our loses with him as he has been poor and get someone else in (don't ask me who as it's not my job but anyone would be an improvement right now), because we are screwed if we stay with JB. Season will be over before it starts.
Just my opinion though. I love humble pie so im happy to be proven wrong. I just don't get the chance to eat it enough.
Anyway, im done now with this topic as really not interested in going around circles. Have a good one Wembley Gas.
Right, so you say the January window is a difficult window, yet Barton was expected to bring in someone unattached that would have the fitness and quality to make an immediate impact to our starting XI, that all other clubs have seemingly missed? I said I wouldn't go around in circles here but just to clear it up, worded in a different way... Yes it is a difficult window and PT failed in it. Yes the unattached market is also difficult and JB failed in it. It's the same s**t but just in a different pan! As pointed out by orgasmic who rightfully said "Could have paid up a contract of someone out of favour in their last year so they could negotiate leaving on a free." Which we have done quite a few times and is a credible option and probably an easier option than the January window itself. But JB didn't use that option. Why? Im not expecting you to answer that of course. Just food for thought. He failed to bring in what was needed just like PT. But those firmly behind JB won't see the obvious. So I've cleared that up. I hope I am wrong about JB for next season. I really do.
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Post by orgasmic on May 5, 2021 21:23:27 GMT
Agree to disagree. Could have paid up a contract of someone out of favour in their last year so they could negotiate leaving on a free. With respect, I’d wager you would have been an improvement on our front 3! You can't sign someone unless they were released before the end of the last transfer window deadline, so that scenario wouldn't have been possible. Then it looks like they missed a trick not signing you up! 🤣
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Post by pirate on May 5, 2021 21:30:30 GMT
Right, so you say the January window is a difficult window, yet Barton was expected to bring in someone unattached that would have the fitness and quality to make an immediate impact to our starting XI, that all other clubs have seemingly missed? I said I wouldn't go around in circles here but just to clear it up, worded in a different way... Yes it is a difficult window and PT failed in it. Yes the unattached market is also difficult and JB failed in it. It's the same s**t but just in a different pan! As pointed out by orgasmic who rightfully said "Could have paid up a contract of someone out of favour in their last year so they could negotiate leaving on a free." Which we have done quite a few times and is a credible option and probably an easier option than the January window itself. But JB didn't use that option. Why? Im not expecting you to answer that of course. Just food for thought. He failed to bring in what was needed just like PT. But those firmly behind JB won't see the obvious. So I've cleared that up. I hope I am wrong about JB for next season. I really do.
No, I'll clear it up...the scenario you and orgasmic outline is not possible as the rules don't allow for a club to "pay up a contract of someone out of favour in their last year so they could negotiate leaving on a free", unless that contract was terminated BEFORE the previous transfer deadline i.e. this season was 23:00 GMT on Monday 1 February.
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Post by yetigas on May 5, 2021 21:54:09 GMT
Absolute cult of personality stuff here. Come Sunday the bloke will have a PPG of 0.61 and there's every chance he'll go to prison this summer. He spouts bollocks about positive electrons at the drop of a hat and blames the team he signed up to work with and swore blind he'd get a fight out of. Get a grip, the man is an fraud. [b I am of the opinion that by performing shockingly bad under 3 different managers, it's the players who appear to be fraudulent. Bartons PPG is the culmination of a very poor season and the mistakes that have gone before him imo. Barton came to us knowing what the situation was and his immediate task was to accumulate enough points to avoid relegation. Managers have to MANAGE - that means motivating players and getting them to perform to the best of their ability, as a team, every match. His pathetic PPG cannot be blamed on other people. HE was the manager and HE failed.
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