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Post by gashead1981 on May 7, 2021 10:07:16 GMT
The only bit that really grinds me is the recruitment in Jan. Tisdale was after a certain type of player, he was, but we were bereft, we needed 2 strikers and we should have at least gotten 1, didnt matter the type, we needed someone who knew where the goal was. We also needed at least 1 winger and a centre half and we got a RB and GK.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 10:20:51 GMT
This total waste of space is now alienating himself from everything that went wrong ...He is part of the disease that is eating away at our club.
" We knew we had to do something in the window ... I did this, I did that ...." You sh** the bed, you absolute fraud.
This just tells me that Wael does not have the guts to sack him. Seriously lacks a backbone it seems.
I have a horrible feeling that this is the extent of the Season review on what went wrong ... Scandalous!!
There will only be one loser, the fans.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 10:31:38 GMT
This total waste of space is now alienating himself from everything that went wrong ...He is part of the disease that is eating away at our club. " We knew we had to do something in the window ... I did this, I did that ...." You sh** the bed, you absolute fraud. This just tells me that Wael does not have the guts to sack him. Seriously lacks a backbone it seems. I have a horrible feeling that this is the extent of the Season review on what went wrong ... Scandalous!! There will only be one loser, the fans. Strong words Lionheart.... as you’ll have seen from my comment earlier I’m probably more sympathetic to him and whilst there are definitely learnings for all at the club, I struggle to see what exactly he’s done wrong (unless you are of the opinion that despite recruiting a manager and giving them accountability for the football side of things, that it is acceptable for a non football person CEO to interfere with the squad etc?) - recruitment, picking the team, how far does it go? Not disputing your opinion as it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it - just interested to understand the basis of what Starnes has done / not done to warrant such a strong view and what you / others believe he should have done?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 10:34:58 GMT
The only bit that really grinds me is the recruitment in Jan. Tisdale was after a certain type of player, he was, but we were bereft, we needed 2 strikers and we should have at least gotten 1, didnt matter the type, we needed someone who knew where the goal was. We also needed at least 1 winger and a centre half and we got a RB and GK. Agree that we should have got at least a striker in in Jan no matter what, guess my finger pointing is (could be naively) at Tisdale as if the manager is given full accountability of the playing squad and the board / CEO are not interfering as they don’t wish to undermine the manager then the buck stops with him?
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Post by pirate on May 7, 2021 10:58:16 GMT
Starnes Sept 2020
Will you look to sell players this summer? Gasheads will be worried about that. Could we see star striker Jonson Clarke-Harris leaving? Fans won’t want to see that.
1. "We don’t want to see it either. We’re looking to build a squad that’s capable of competing for promotion to the Championship. Sometimes it’s not in our hands and a player may get an offer through his agent from another club which is too good to refuse and we can’t stand in a player’s way, but our intention is to retain the players we see as being credible and have the ability to take us forward to the Championship."
2. During the lockdown, we tried to use our time effectively, with regard to the recruitment of players and we’re delighted with the ones we have been able to bring to the Club. Significantly only 4 of the side that beat Sunderland just before the lockdown appeared in the team that came away with a point at the Stadium of Light last Saturday. It’s a great pity that our fans are unable to watch the new players at the Mem for the time being as Ben and the coaching staff embark upon their work of moulding a competitive and entertaining outfit.
3. We are making efforts to compensate for that in other areas and we are doing a lot to get people engage and coming to watch the team again. We want to be competitive in this division at the very least, but we want to play a more attractive style of football.
We know that the football we played over recent months and even years is not been the most satisfactory from an entertain point of view here at the Memorial Stadium so we’re looking to address that with the style of football but is does take time to transition from playing in one way to another way and it can sometimes cost you results but that’s the long term aim.
4. To make this club sustainable we have to invest in players and look to them to develop and improve under Ben and his coaching staff’s guidance and I think we recruited well in January. We’re already looking one of two transfer windows ahead.
This is part of Tommy Widdrington’s role to look at transfer windows ahead as to what we might require when contracts run out with existing players.
Whether we renew those contracts of bring new players in for certain positions, so we are looking very much to medium to long-term as a strategy for the development of players, at the same time as maintaining competitiveness at the level we are playing at.
5.) Wael Al-Qadi is “totally committed” to Bristol Rovers and the club could “announce something positive” regarding a new stadium within weeks, according to CEO Martyn Starnes.
JCH gone for a fraction of his real value and ends up division top goalscorer and League One player of the season, no adequate replacement brought in. Garner sacked after 11 games of the League season. No stadium news.
"Paul was the man we wanted from the outset," the CEO told Bristol Live. "We spoke to him as soon as the job became available.
"We've established a DNA and strategy for this football club which is we want to play attractive, entertaining football, give young players a chance and develop them, and win some football matches at the same time."
Tisdale sacked after 83 days.
No attacking reinforcements brought in during January 2021.
Club record home defeats, club record defeats in a season, club record most games without scoring and relegated.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 11:51:41 GMT
pirate you make some good points but with JCH we were stuck between a rock and a hard place as he had said he wouldn’t sign a new contract and a hard place as if we didn’t sell we risked losing him for free. With add ons and the sell on clause we are likely to get more in the region of 2.5m for him which may still be too low but is more reasonable. The fact we didn’t get a replacement is more on the managers rather than Starnes in my opinion. The sackings have already been debated to death but again many supported those decisions many didn’t. We don’t truly know what drove those decisions and their timing but again hindsight is a wonderful thing although I’m not sure whether anything would have changed those decisions. The lack of an adequate goal scorer being added to the ranks I place firmly at the door of the managers as I don’t believe CEOs should interfere in the playing side of things as that undermines the managers and the trust in them and their purpose/role. As soon as we allow interference, where do we draw the line? The rest re records etc are as a result of the recruitment decisions in my opinion and the only way that would have been avoided is if we a) brought in different managers at the outset or b) allowed interfering which I don’t agree with.... I also lay blame at the players doors for that too as the just haven’t lived up to expectations that their reputations, experience and potential promised...
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Post by pirate on May 7, 2021 11:59:57 GMT
pirate you make some good points but with JCH we were stuck between a rock and a hard place as he had said he wouldn’t sign a new contract and a hard place as if we didn’t sell we risked losing him for free. With add ons and the sell on clause we are likely to get more in the region of 2.5m for him which may still be too low but is more reasonable. The fact we didn’t get a replacement is more on the managers rather than Starnes in my opinion. The sackings have already been debated to death but again many supported those decisions many didn’t. We don’t truly know what drove those decisions and their timing but again hindsight is a wonderful thing although I’m not sure whether anything would have changed those decisions. The lack of an adequate goal scorer being added to the ranks I place firmly at the door of the managers as I don’t believe CEOs should interfere in the playing side of things as that undermines the managers and the trust in them and their purpose/role. As soon as we allow interference, where do we draw the line? It’s not just JCH though, is it? Seems to be a recurring theme, having lost a Welsh international defender for free, a player that scored 68 goals in 134 games for £300k and Billy Bodin for £400k. What "lessons have been learnt" and how do we plan on improving things going forward? What structural changes in the background have been made to improve things and how will we improve the recruitment process in the future?
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Post by RD on May 7, 2021 12:01:56 GMT
Starnes Sept 2020 Will you look to sell players this summer? Gasheads will be worried about that. Could we see star striker Jonson Clarke-Harris leaving? Fans won’t want to see that. 1. "We don’t want to see it either. We’re looking to build a squad that’s capable of competing for promotion to the Championship. Sometimes it’s not in our hands and a player may get an offer through his agent from another club which is too good to refuse and we can’t stand in a player’s way, but our intention is to retain the players we see as being credible and have the ability to take us forward to the Championship." 2. During the lockdown, we tried to use our time effectively, with regard to the recruitment of players and we’re delighted with the ones we have been able to bring to the Club. Significantly only 4 of the side that beat Sunderland just before the lockdown appeared in the team that came away with a point at the Stadium of Light last Saturday. It’s a great pity that our fans are unable to watch the new players at the Mem for the time being as Ben and the coaching staff embark upon their work of moulding a competitive and entertaining outfit. 3. We are making efforts to compensate for that in other areas and we are doing a lot to get people engage and coming to watch the team again. We want to be competitive in this division at the very least, but we want to play a more attractive style of football. We know that the football we played over recent months and even years is not been the most satisfactory from an entertain point of view here at the Memorial Stadium so we’re looking to address that with the style of football but is does take time to transition from playing in one way to another way and it can sometimes cost you results but that’s the long term aim. 4. To make this club sustainable we have to invest in players and look to them to develop and improve under Ben and his coaching staff’s guidance and I think we recruited well in January. We’re already looking one of two transfer windows ahead. This is part of Tommy Widdrington’s role to look at transfer windows ahead as to what we might require when contracts run out with existing players. Whether we renew those contracts of bring new players in for certain positions, so we are looking very much to medium to long-term as a strategy for the development of players, at the same time as maintaining competitiveness at the level we are playing at. 5.) Wael Al-Qadi is “totally committed” to Bristol Rovers and the club could “announce something positive” regarding a new stadium within weeks, according to CEO Martyn Starnes. JCH gone for a fraction of his real value and ends up division top goalscorer and League One player of the season, no adequate replacement brought in. Garner sacked after 11 games of the League season. No stadium news."Paul was the man we wanted from the outset," the CEO told Bristol Live. "We spoke to him as soon as the job became available. "We've established a DNA and strategy for this football club which is we want to play attractive, entertaining football, give young players a chance and develop them, and win some football matches at the same time." Tisdale sacked after 83 days.
No attacking reinforcements brought in during January 2021.
Club record home defeats, club record defeats in a season, club record most games without scoring and relegated.Sobering reading that. If he's not "struck off" as a result, it's beggars belief. If he was to have a "Performance Review" of the past year, it couldn't have possibly gone worse. Appalling.
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Post by eastgas on May 7, 2021 12:34:25 GMT
pirate you make some good points but with JCH we were stuck between a rock and a hard place as he had said he wouldn’t sign a new contract and a hard place as if we didn’t sell we risked losing him for free. With add ons and the sell on clause we are likely to get more in the region of 2.5m for him which may still be too low but is more reasonable. The fact we didn’t get a replacement is more on the managers rather than Starnes in my opinion. The sackings have already been debated to death but again many supported those decisions many didn’t. We don’t truly know what drove those decisions and their timing but again hindsight is a wonderful thing although I’m not sure whether anything would have changed those decisions. The lack of an adequate goal scorer being added to the ranks I place firmly at the door of the managers as I don’t believe CEOs should interfere in the playing side of things as that undermines the managers and the trust in them and their purpose/role. As soon as we allow interference, where do we draw the line? It’s not just JCH though, is it? Seems to be a recurring theme, having lost a Welsh international defender for free, a player that scored 68 goals in 134 games for £300k and Billy Bodin for £400k. What "lessons have been learnt" and how do we plan on improving things going forward? What structural changes in the background have been made to improve things and how will we improve the recruitment process in the future? We lost all those players at a fraction of what they were worth, but I think, and I could be wrong, but didn’t we start to offer contracts last summer which many included a year extension option for the club? If I am correct that should be at least some way towards learning our lesson and improving on the contract situation. If a player is showing promise like the mentioned four above we can activate a years extension and avoid losing them at a minimal fee.
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Post by pirate on May 7, 2021 12:40:59 GMT
It’s not just JCH though, is it? Seems to be a recurring theme, having lost a Welsh international defender for free, a player that scored 68 goals in 134 games for £300k and Billy Bodin for £400k. What "lessons have been learnt" and how do we plan on improving things going forward? What structural changes in the background have been made to improve things and how will we improve the recruitment process in the future? We lost all those players at a fraction of what they were worth, but I think, and I could be wrong, but didn’t we start to offer contracts last summer which many included a year extension option for the club? If I am correct that should be at least some way towards learning our lesson and improving on the contract situation. If a player is showing promise like the mentioned four above we can activate a years extension and avoid losing them at a minimal fee. Nicholson doesn't have a year extension option.
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Post by lpgas1 on May 7, 2021 12:53:22 GMT
Right well after having watched that and read the responses on here I’m going to go against the grain somewhat.... Personally I didn’t think the interview was that bad and I actually think in the main his been pretty transparent and told the truth. The responses on here though I think are a little unfair and driven/influenced by the fact we’ve had a poor season. Before the season started most of us we’re pretty happy with the recruitment and direction the club we’re taking but we all felt in the main that we were short of an experienced goal scorer. It seems to me he felt the same but as he said, ultimately the playing squad is down to the manager and BG had recruited a squad to play the kind of football you typically see in the Prem - lots of short sideways possession based passing probing for a breakthrough at which point you then break at speed and it’s very pass and move type football. BG didn’t feel we needed to panic to get another one in as in Hanlan and Ayunga in particular we had unproven (but strong potential) players that fitted that mould. We lost Ayunga early post summer window so we were then short and we then also list Daly.... BG felt his coaching would give us the improvement in the CFs - it didn’t work out although at the start of the season Hanlan was playing well... Roll on January and PT was here and as was reported and said by many, PT put all his eggs in the Stockley basket. It failed but not due to the board or club - purely down to the player. We tried for others but they didn’t come off (Gnaduillet, Hylton etc) and Starnes is right - PT was after a certain type of striker and there weren’t many of those types available in Jan. Now we can all say Starnes should have put his foot down and not allowed certain things to happen but if he’d done that at the time he would have been undermining the manager in place who, and based upon everything I’ve seen read and heard have no reason to not believe, is given full remit on playing squad. There would have been uproar - non football man picking team instead of manager etc , how far does it go? We are all smarting about how this season has gone, but take a step back and look at it through uninfluenced biased eyes. There are many factors as to why we’ve been relegated including poor refereeing decisions, bad luck, players not living up to their potential/expectations etc. No one is saying that Starnes should pick the team, what at least I am saying is that he should have questioned Garner and Widdrington as to why we have one experienced striker? Then in January he should have had Widdrington giving Tisdale a list of strikers, even someone on loan would have given us more of a chance, but he didn't, he sat on his fat arse and did nothing, and thats why he has to go, along with Widdrington. Get someone in who actually cares about the club and their job.
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Post by carlts2020 on May 7, 2021 12:59:12 GMT
The guy lies through his teeth. It was reported last week we missed out on Joe Piggot because the board moved too slowly after Garner identified him.
Then in his scripted press conference he comes out with this sh**:
“We tried to address the goalscoring issue, that became quite evident early on - we lost Jonah Ayunga early with injury - which only left us with Brandon and James Daly as recognised strikers.”
Jonah was injured well before the window shut. Just a complete load of nonsense and shows his complete contempt for everyone.
Starnes must go!
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Post by pirate on May 7, 2021 13:14:05 GMT
Thought it was quite interesting that Twentyman said on having a gas that rovers had put on their website "CEO speaks to the media" but rubbished this saying that they wouldn't speak to the media and it was done through Rovers own channels basically. Makes me lose some trust to be honest. Are we getting told just the bits they want us to hear making sure they can save the face of people currently at the club? I don't feel comfortable with it, I also feel there is more to some of Starnes's comments. The club will come out with anything right now though to make sure they get customers through the door for next season. Need to sell some of those season tickets. Much easier to bluff and bullshit your way through a few fluff questions posed by the club stadium announcer, rather than someone who was in the game as a player and assistant and who has worked in the media for nearly 3 decades. The fans deserve better than this and some proper questions and answers.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 7, 2021 13:41:46 GMT
I'd like to know this;
are we going for promotion next season, or will the aim be consolidation, then a charge for L1 the following season?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 13:43:50 GMT
Right well after having watched that and read the responses on here I’m going to go against the grain somewhat.... Personally I didn’t think the interview was that bad and I actually think in the main his been pretty transparent and told the truth. The responses on here though I think are a little unfair and driven/influenced by the fact we’ve had a poor season. Before the season started most of us we’re pretty happy with the recruitment and direction the club we’re taking but we all felt in the main that we were short of an experienced goal scorer. It seems to me he felt the same but as he said, ultimately the playing squad is down to the manager and BG had recruited a squad to play the kind of football you typically see in the Prem - lots of short sideways possession based passing probing for a breakthrough at which point you then break at speed and it’s very pass and move type football. BG didn’t feel we needed to panic to get another one in as in Hanlan and Ayunga in particular we had unproven (but strong potential) players that fitted that mould. We lost Ayunga early post summer window so we were then short and we then also list Daly.... BG felt his coaching would give us the improvement in the CFs - it didn’t work out although at the start of the season Hanlan was playing well... Roll on January and PT was here and as was reported and said by many, PT put all his eggs in the Stockley basket. It failed but not due to the board or club - purely down to the player. We tried for others but they didn’t come off (Gnaduillet, Hylton etc) and Starnes is right - PT was after a certain type of striker and there weren’t many of those types available in Jan. Now we can all say Starnes should have put his foot down and not allowed certain things to happen but if he’d done that at the time he would have been undermining the manager in place who, and based upon everything I’ve seen read and heard have no reason to not believe, is given full remit on playing squad. There would have been uproar - non football man picking team instead of manager etc , how far does it go? We are all smarting about how this season has gone, but take a step back and look at it through uninfluenced biased eyes. There are many factors as to why we’ve been relegated including poor refereeing decisions, bad luck, players not living up to their potential/expectations etc. No one is saying that Starnes should pick the team, what at least I am saying is that he should have questioned Garner and Widdrington as to why we have one experienced striker? Then in January he should have had Widdrington giving Tisdale a list of strikers, even someone on loan would have given us more of a chance, but he didn't, he sat on his fat arse and did nothing, and thats why he has to go, along with Widdrington. Get someone in who actually cares about the club and their job. But Widdrington did provide a list and that has been continually reported and Starnes said the same in the interview?
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Post by eastgas on May 7, 2021 13:47:09 GMT
We lost all those players at a fraction of what they were worth, but I think, and I could be wrong, but didn’t we start to offer contracts last summer which many included a year extension option for the club? If I am correct that should be at least some way towards learning our lesson and improving on the contract situation. If a player is showing promise like the mentioned four above we can activate a years extension and avoid losing them at a minimal fee. Nicholson doesn't have a year extension option. Nicholson is the exact type of player that we need on these contracts, if we are going to learn from past mistakes and offer contracts that give the club some form of protection should a player be a hit and attracts interest from bigger clubs, then it is something we really need to look at in all players we sign. For me Nicholson is one of few that can come out with any kind of credit this season and I feel we may lose him this summer anyway
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Post by pirate on May 7, 2021 13:47:15 GMT
No one is saying that Starnes should pick the team, what at least I am saying is that he should have questioned Garner and Widdrington as to why we have one experienced striker? Then in January he should have had Widdrington giving Tisdale a list of strikers, even someone on loan would have given us more of a chance, but he didn't, he sat on his fat arse and did nothing, and thats why he has to go, along with Widdrington. Get someone in who actually cares about the club and their job. But Widdrington did provide a list and that has been continually reported and Starnes said the same in the interview? So there wasn't one player available to come in and improve a situation that has resulted in a club record for most games without scoring?
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Post by eastgas on May 7, 2021 14:07:13 GMT
For me the interview is something of nothing. I really would like to see a full review into the season and open to outside questions answered. We have just suffered one of the worst seasons in a long time and I find it rather poor that all we have heard from the club, other than Barton, is a scripted 10 minute video which lacked any real substance. The fans deserve better and I’m hopeful that when the season has officially come to an end we will have an interview with some tough questions being answered.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 14:09:07 GMT
But Widdrington did provide a list and that has been continually reported and Starnes said the same in the interview? So there wasn't one player available to come in and improve a situation that has resulted in a club record for most games without scoring? We know there were but Tisdale was after a specific type of player and there wasn’t many of those types available. Tisdale focused all his efforts on Stockley which nearly came off but Jayden chose to go to Charlton. We also went after Gnandulliet but he chose Hearts (I think). We went for Hylton who decided to stay and fight for his place. Tisdale turned down going for different types of strikers as they wouldn’t have suited or fitted our attempted playing style. That’s on the manager not Widdrington or Starnes in my opinion? Everyone is saying that Starnes should have forced an unwanted by the manager striker on the manager which I don’t agree with. Yes we desperately needed goals but it’s down to the manager to want them and accept them and you can lead a horse to water but they won’t necessarily drink which is what appears to happened here. The CEO should never be forcing players onto managers in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 15:00:40 GMT
pirate you make some good points but with JCH we were stuck between a rock and a hard place as he had said he wouldn’t sign a new contract and a hard place as if we didn’t sell we risked losing him for free. With add ons and the sell on clause we are likely to get more in the region of 2.5m for him which may still be too low but is more reasonable. The fact we didn’t get a replacement is more on the managers rather than Starnes in my opinion. The sackings have already been debated to death but again many supported those decisions many didn’t. We don’t truly know what drove those decisions and their timing but again hindsight is a wonderful thing although I’m not sure whether anything would have changed those decisions. The lack of an adequate goal scorer being added to the ranks I place firmly at the door of the managers as I don’t believe CEOs should interfere in the playing side of things as that undermines the managers and the trust in them and their purpose/role. As soon as we allow interference, where do we draw the line? It’s not just JCH though, is it? Seems to be a recurring theme, having lost a Welsh international defender for free, a player that scored 68 goals in 134 games for £300k and Billy Bodin for £400k. What "lessons have been learnt" and how do we plan on improving things going forward? What structural changes in the background have been made to improve things and how will we improve the recruitment process in the future? Sorry pirate missed replying to this. Yes we have lost out re transfers recently but of those you listed again with the exception of Bodin what could we have done? Taylor - £300k. We could have lost him for free and he would only sign the new contract with the release clause in. He held all the cards and in my opinion the only way we could have a avoided that is if we had offered him (and he agreed to sign) a long term contract earlier in the preceding season. Remember that would have been offering him a long term contract after only being with us for a season in which it took him a few months to start scoring in his first season, we’d suffered significant financial detriment due to relegation and over a number of years signing journeyman players on long term contracts that we then end up paying off or suffering Kyle Bennett like and DC as well as fans demanding that we don’t sign players on long term contracts. Taylor and his agent held all the cards and we suffered (but did get a half season of goals and £300K) Lockyer - we offered him contract extensions over a long period of time and he chose to run his contract down and to leave on a free. This was because he wanted to move on (and up) and he knew being a free transfer would have more and better offers (financially too) Bodin we had slightly more control over but he to wanted to leave when Preston came in so he could test himself at the higher level as well as he was on the fringes of selection for Wales so a Championship side would enhance his opportunity for that. Once a players head has gone and they want to go somewhere else it’s really hard to keep them. Players have all the power. The transfer fee we got was low but I guess that was influenced by his injury record
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