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Post by barumgas on May 7, 2021 15:01:58 GMT
Despite me not agreeing with a lot of the content of his sham of an interview, at least the club is attempting to build of its improvement on communicating with the fan base. Let's get the season finished, get rid of the dross and hope that our club can get its recruitment spot on this time. Failure could result in drifting towards the Conference
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 7, 2021 15:05:43 GMT
This total waste of space is now alienating himself from everything that went wrong ...He is part of the disease that is eating away at our club. " We knew we had to do something in the window ... I did this, I did that ...." You sh** the bed, you absolute fraud. This just tells me that Wael does not have the guts to sack him. Seriously lacks a backbone it seems. I have a horrible feeling that this is the extent of the Season review on what went wrong ... Scandalous!! There will only be one loser, the fans. Strong words Lionheart.... as you’ll have seen from my comment earlier I’m probably more sympathetic to him and whilst there are definitely learnings for all at the club, I struggle to see what exactly he’s done wrong (unless you are of the opinion that despite recruiting a manager and giving them accountability for the football side of things, that it is acceptable for a non football person CEO to interfere with the squad etc?) - recruitment, picking the team, how far does it go? Not disputing your opinion as it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it - just interested to understand the basis of what Starnes has done / not done to warrant such a strong view and what you / others believe he should have done? He admitted we needed more than 3 strikers and had 2 windows and 2 managers to address that and still failed. He is the CEO. The lack of responsibility and accountability at the very top of our club is an utter disgrace. Non footballing CEO who likes to remind us he has been in charge of professional football clubs for 15 years. I have more faith in my boys U13s manager. The bloke is either deluded, incompetent or both.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 7, 2021 15:06:48 GMT
Despite me not agreeing with a lot of the content of his sham of an interview, at least the club is attempting to build of its improvement on communicating with the fan base. Let's get the season finished, get rid of the dross and hope that our club can get its recruitment spot on this time. Failure could result in drifting towards the Conference There is as much dross in the boardroom as there was on the pitch.
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Post by orgasmic on May 7, 2021 15:39:19 GMT
Strong words Lionheart.... as you’ll have seen from my comment earlier I’m probably more sympathetic to him and whilst there are definitely learnings for all at the club, I struggle to see what exactly he’s done wrong (unless you are of the opinion that despite recruiting a manager and giving them accountability for the football side of things, that it is acceptable for a non football person CEO to interfere with the squad etc?) - recruitment, picking the team, how far does it go? Not disputing your opinion as it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it - just interested to understand the basis of what Starnes has done / not done to warrant such a strong view and what you / others believe he should have done? He admitted we needed more than 3 strikers and had 2 windows and 2 managers to address that and still failed. He is the CEO. The lack of responsibility and accountability at the very top of our club is an utter disgrace. Non footballing CEO who likes to remind us he has been in charge of professional football clubs for 15 years. I have more faith in my boys U13s manager. The bloke is either deluded, incompetent or both. With respect, none of us know who your boys U13 manager is to discuss whether he is deluded, incompetent or both! Seems odd to drag him into the argument! 🤣
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Post by RD on May 7, 2021 15:44:47 GMT
He admitted we needed more than 3 strikers and had 2 windows and 2 managers to address that and still failed. He is the CEO. The lack of responsibility and accountability at the very top of our club is an utter disgrace. Non footballing CEO who likes to remind us he has been in charge of professional football clubs for 15 years. I have more faith in my boys U13s manager. The bloke is either deluded, incompetent or both. With respect, none of us know who your boys U13 manager is to discuss whether he is deluded, incompetent or both! Seems odd to drag him into the argument! 🤣 Would it help if I pointed out that the U13 boys manager is Hugo?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 7, 2021 16:04:06 GMT
With respect, none of us know who your boys U13 manager is to discuss whether he is deluded, incompetent or both! Seems odd to drag him into the argument! 🤣 Would it help if I pointed out that the U13 boys manager is Hugo? Say no more.
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Post by pirate on May 7, 2021 16:09:49 GMT
So there wasn't one player available to come in and improve a situation that has resulted in a club record for most games without scoring? We know there were but Tisdale was after a specific type of player and there wasn’t many of those types available. Tisdale focused all his efforts on Stockley which nearly came off but Jayden chose to go to Charlton. We also went after Gnandulliet but he chose Hearts (I think). We went for Hylton who decided to stay and fight for his place. Tisdale turned down going for different types of strikers as they wouldn’t have suited or fitted our attempted playing style. That’s on the manager not Widdrington or Starnes in my opinion? Everyone is saying that Starnes should have forced an unwanted by the manager striker on the manager which I don’t agree with. Yes we desperately needed goals but it’s down to the manager to want them and accept them and you can lead a horse to water but they won’t necessarily drink which is what appears to happened here. The CEO should never be forcing players onto managers in my opinion. We've lacked goals all over the pitch, if an appropriate striker couldn't be found (not that I believe that), then why didn't we increase our goalscoring options in other areas? As I said before, look at the positive impacts of Harry Chapman at Shrewsbury, Matt O'Riley at MK Dons, Josh Sims at Doncaster and Olly Lee at Gillingham for example.
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Post by pirate on May 7, 2021 16:12:00 GMT
It’s not just JCH though, is it? Seems to be a recurring theme, having lost a Welsh international defender for free, a player that scored 68 goals in 134 games for £300k and Billy Bodin for £400k. What "lessons have been learnt" and how do we plan on improving things going forward? What structural changes in the background have been made to improve things and how will we improve the recruitment process in the future? Sorry pirate missed replying to this. Yes we have lost out re transfers recently but of those you listed again with the exception of Bodin what could we have done? Taylor - £300k. We could have lost him for free and he would only sign the new contract with the release clause in. He held all the cards and in my opinion the only way we could have a avoided that is if we had offered him (and he agreed to sign) a long term contract earlier in the preceding season. Remember that would have been offering him a long term contract after only being with us for a season in which it took him a few months to start scoring in his first season, we’d suffered significant financial detriment due to relegation and over a number of years signing journeyman players on long term contracts that we then end up paying off or suffering Kyle Bennett like and DC as well as fans demanding that we don’t sign players on long term contracts. Taylor and his agent held all the cards and we suffered (but did get a half season of goals and £300K) Lockyer - we offered him contract extensions over a long period of time and he chose to run his contract down and to leave on a free. This was because he wanted to move on (and up) and he knew being a free transfer would have more and better offers (financially too) Bodin we had slightly more control over but he to wanted to leave when Preston came in so he could test himself at the higher level as well as he was on the fringes of selection for Wales so a Championship side would enhance his opportunity for that. Once a players head has gone and they want to go somewhere else it’s really hard to keep them. Players have all the power. The transfer fee we got was low but I guess that was influenced by his injury record I don't see any other club at this level consistently losing their better players for below their market value. By the end of January of the Conference season Taylor was into double figures for goals and also had a few assists. By the end of the season he had 21 goals. A new contract should have been sorted sometime during that season or the summer to reward him and maximise the value of one of our biggest assets. New contracts should also have been offered earlier for the same reasons for JCH, Bodin and Lockyer. We can all make up excuses for the failure to secure them on longer deals, but the fact is we did lose them for peanuts and it is a recurring theme.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 16:19:23 GMT
Strong words Lionheart.... as you’ll have seen from my comment earlier I’m probably more sympathetic to him and whilst there are definitely learnings for all at the club, I struggle to see what exactly he’s done wrong (unless you are of the opinion that despite recruiting a manager and giving them accountability for the football side of things, that it is acceptable for a non football person CEO to interfere with the squad etc?) - recruitment, picking the team, how far does it go? Not disputing your opinion as it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it - just interested to understand the basis of what Starnes has done / not done to warrant such a strong view and what you / others believe he should have done? He admitted we needed more than 3 strikers and had 2 windows and 2 managers to address that and still failed. He is the CEO. The lack of responsibility and accountability at the very top of our club is an utter disgrace. Non footballing CEO who likes to remind us he has been in charge of professional football clubs for 15 years. I have more faith in my boys U13s manager. The bloke is either deluded, incompetent or both. Yes there were 2 windows and 2 managers but if those managers decided they didn’t want to then why is it Starnes fault? It’s the managers for not addressing it ? Starnes probably told them his thinking but unless he then dictates (which then removes the autonomy and decisions from the managers which is interfering), he can’t do anything? You could argue they brought the wrong managers in , but that’s a different debate? Being CEO means you recruit people in that you delegate your accountabilities to as you can’t do everything. It’s on the CEO and board to ensure you recruit the right people with the right skills and capabilities... it’s there where you could probably challenge Starnes, but look at the CV of Tisdale - he should have done much better and whilst inexperienced, BG had a strong coaching pedigree and significant number of advocates within the professional football world. My potential criticism of Starnes could be a) not sacking BG last season (but if he did I felt it would have been unfair); b) sacking BG when he did / prematurely, c) recruiting PT (but his CV and experience would have pointed to him being a strong candidate) and d) sacking PT to early/prematurely. When it comes to the sackings we all have views and no one really knows exactly what drove those decisions and timings.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 16:19:37 GMT
Strong words Lionheart.... as you’ll have seen from my comment earlier I’m probably more sympathetic to him and whilst there are definitely learnings for all at the club, I struggle to see what exactly he’s done wrong (unless you are of the opinion that despite recruiting a manager and giving them accountability for the football side of things, that it is acceptable for a non football person CEO to interfere with the squad etc?) - recruitment, picking the team, how far does it go? Not disputing your opinion as it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it - just interested to understand the basis of what Starnes has done / not done to warrant such a strong view and what you / others believe he should have done? He admitted we needed more than 3 strikers and had 2 windows and 2 managers to address that and still failed. He is the CEO. The lack of responsibility and accountability at the very top of our club is an utter disgrace. Non footballing CEO who likes to remind us he has been in charge of professional football clubs for 15 years. I have more faith in my boys U13s manager. The bloke is either deluded, incompetent or both. Yes there were 2 windows and 2 managers but if those managers decided they didn’t want to then why is it Starnes fault? It’s the managers for not addressing it ? Starnes probably told them his thinking but unless he then dictates (which then removes the autonomy and decisions from the managers which is interfering), he can’t do anything? You could argue they brought the wrong managers in , but that’s a different debate? Being CEO means you recruit people in that you delegate your accountabilities to as you can’t do everything. It’s on the CEO and board to ensure you recruit the right people with the right skills and capabilities... it’s there where you could probably challenge Starnes, but look at the CV of Tisdale - he should have done much better and whilst inexperienced, BG had a strong coaching pedigree and significant number of advocates within the professional football world. My potential criticism of Starnes could be a) not sacking BG last season (but if he did I felt it would have been unfair); b) sacking BG when he did / prematurely, c) recruiting PT (but his CV and experience would have pointed to him being a strong candidate) and d) sacking PT to early/prematurely. When it comes to the sackings we all have views and no one really knows exactly what drove those decisions and timings.
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Post by Big Jock on May 7, 2021 16:28:55 GMT
Strong words Lionheart.... as you’ll have seen from my comment earlier I’m probably more sympathetic to him and whilst there are definitely learnings for all at the club, I struggle to see what exactly he’s done wrong (unless you are of the opinion that despite recruiting a manager and giving them accountability for the football side of things, that it is acceptable for a non football person CEO to interfere with the squad etc?) - recruitment, picking the team, how far does it go? Not disputing your opinion as it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it - just interested to understand the basis of what Starnes has done / not done to warrant such a strong view and what you / others believe he should have done? He admitted we needed more than 3 strikers and had 2 windows and 2 managers to address that and still failed. He is the CEO. The lack of responsibility and accountability at the very top of our club is an utter disgrace. Non footballing CEO who likes to remind us he has been in charge of professional football clubs for 15 years. I have more faith in my boys U13s manager. The bloke is either deluded, incompetent or both. Starnes makes Tony th Till look like John f**king Nash ffs.
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 7, 2021 16:28:58 GMT
If the managers didn’t want to sign players they should have been made to sign players or moved on. If they literally didn’t want anyone their judgement should have been called into question. Perhaps they even needed to be sacked at that point.
There’s a huge difference between forcing players on a manager and ‘encouraging’ them to sign someone in a given position. It doesn’t even have to be done passive aggressively. Just by escalating increased concern if it’s not felt the squad was fit for a league campaign. Most managers would jump at being told to sign a new striker. Tisdale and Garner were allergic to it.
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 7, 2021 16:29:36 GMT
He admitted we needed more than 3 strikers and had 2 windows and 2 managers to address that and still failed. He is the CEO. The lack of responsibility and accountability at the very top of our club is an utter disgrace. Non footballing CEO who likes to remind us he has been in charge of professional football clubs for 15 years. I have more faith in my boys U13s manager. The bloke is either deluded, incompetent or both. Starnes makes Tony th Till look like John f**king Nash ffs. Tony and Hamer dream team Jock?
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Post by Big Jock on May 7, 2021 16:33:19 GMT
Starnes makes Tony th Till look like John f**king Nash ffs. Tony and Hamer dream team Jock? 😃 th sad thing is under Starnes we are in f**king free fall, th alarm bells should be ringing loud an clear, I hope someone’s listening otherwise we could be “learning our lessons “ all th way back to th conference! 🙁
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Post by orgasmic on May 7, 2021 17:04:54 GMT
With respect, none of us know who your boys U13 manager is to discuss whether he is deluded, incompetent or both! Seems odd to drag him into the argument! 🤣 Would it help if I pointed out that the U13 boys manager is Hugo? It's all starting to make sense now!
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Post by pucklegas on May 7, 2021 17:30:10 GMT
Unless we have a new stadium in the offing, we don't need a CEO, we need strikers and at least two.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 7, 2021 17:57:56 GMT
He admitted we needed more than 3 strikers and had 2 windows and 2 managers to address that and still failed. He is the CEO. The lack of responsibility and accountability at the very top of our club is an utter disgrace. Non footballing CEO who likes to remind us he has been in charge of professional football clubs for 15 years. I have more faith in my boys U13s manager. The bloke is either deluded, incompetent or both. With respect, none of us know who your boys U13 manager is to discuss whether he is deluded, incompetent or both! Seems odd to drag him into the argument! 🤣 He is both, but still better than Garner and Starnes!
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Post by Topper Gas on May 7, 2021 17:59:28 GMT
If the managers didn’t want to sign players they should have been made to sign players or moved on. If they literally didn’t want anyone their judgement should have been called into question. Perhaps they even needed to be sacked at that point. There’s a huge difference between forcing players on a manager and ‘encouraging’ them to sign someone in a given position. It doesn’t even have to be done passive aggressively. Just by escalating increased concern if it’s not felt the squad was fit for a league campaign. Most managers would jump at being told to sign a new striker. Tisdale and Garner were allergic to it. Wasn't Tisdale sacked because he failed to improve the squad by signing a striker in January?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 7, 2021 18:01:18 GMT
He admitted we needed more than 3 strikers and had 2 windows and 2 managers to address that and still failed. He is the CEO. The lack of responsibility and accountability at the very top of our club is an utter disgrace. Non footballing CEO who likes to remind us he has been in charge of professional football clubs for 15 years. I have more faith in my boys U13s manager. The bloke is either deluded, incompetent or both. Yes there were 2 windows and 2 managers but if those managers decided they didn’t want to then why is it Starnes fault? It’s the managers for not addressing it ? Starnes probably told them his thinking but unless he then dictates (which then removes the autonomy and decisions from the managers which is interfering), he can’t do anything? You could argue they brought the wrong managers in , but that’s a different debate? Being CEO means you recruit people in that you delegate your accountabilities to as you can’t do everything. It’s on the CEO and board to ensure you recruit the right people with the right skills and capabilities... it’s there where you could probably challenge Starnes, but look at the CV of Tisdale - he should have done much better and whilst inexperienced, BG had a strong coaching pedigree and significant number of advocates within the professional football world. My potential criticism of Starnes could be a) not sacking BG last season (but if he did I felt it would have been unfair); b) sacking BG when he did / prematurely, c) recruiting PT (but his CV and experience would have pointed to him being a strong candidate) and d) sacking PT to early/prematurely. When it comes to the sackings we all have views and no one really knows exactly what drove those decisions and timings. In businesses where I have worked under a CEO they absolutely would go over an incompetent managers head if necessary. But maybe I have worked under competent CEOs!
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Post by Topper Gas on May 7, 2021 18:04:15 GMT
He admitted we needed more than 3 strikers and had 2 windows and 2 managers to address that and still failed. He is the CEO. The lack of responsibility and accountability at the very top of our club is an utter disgrace. Non footballing CEO who likes to remind us he has been in charge of professional football clubs for 15 years. I have more faith in my boys U13s manager. The bloke is either deluded, incompetent or both. Yes there were 2 windows and 2 managers but if those managers decided they didn’t want to then why is it Starnes fault? It’s the managers for not addressing it ? Starnes probably told them his thinking but unless he then dictates (which then removes the autonomy and decisions from the managers which is interfering), he can’t do anything? You could argue they brought the wrong managers in , but that’s a different debate? Being CEO means you recruit people in that you delegate your accountabilities to as you can’t do everything. It’s on the CEO and board to ensure you recruit the right people with the right skills and capabilities... it’s there where you could probably challenge Starnes, but look at the CV of Tisdale - he should have done much better and whilst inexperienced, BG had a strong coaching pedigree and significant number of advocates within the professional football world. My potential criticism of Starnes could be a) not sacking BG last season (but if he did I felt it would have been unfair); b) sacking BG when he did / prematurely, c) recruiting PT (but his CV and experience would have pointed to him being a strong candidate) and d) sacking PT to early/prematurely. When it comes to the sackings we all have views and no one really knows exactly what drove those decisions and timings. What makes you think Starnes as the power to sack managers without Wael's authority?
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