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Post by landrover on May 8, 2021 12:25:24 GMT
I’m fed up with reading nonsense from blame avoiding Starnes, Widdrington and Barton. Yesterday presser has Barton still talking about pre-season yet in the early days of the season we defended with our lives in the last 15 minutes of the game to win at Lincoln and Draw at Sunderland...i don’t remember us having fitness issues! We have 15 players who have played over 25 games this season for the club, 10 that have played over 30 games and 6 that have played over 40 games. Claiming he needs to “review the players” to see who stays and goes next season but only had the players back in training on Thursday after a Saturday game! Claiming they are tired is nonsense...get them in for recovery, talk tactics, work on defending set pieces etc. Utter bollocks and after Starnes scripted sh** yesterday it’s all becoming too much When you’ve had to put up with a know nothing, a bulls***er, and a billy big timer all in one season then I’m not surprised the players are tired. A glance at the table at any stage of the season would suggest a relegation battle was looming. It was their lack of spirit, experience and energy that got them there in the first place. It’s dragged on and on and on. Roll on August.
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Post by olskooltoteender on May 8, 2021 13:06:22 GMT
I don't agree with your pro Garner agenda, but I can't disagree with this post. I'm no sports scientist but I'm tempted to call BS that pre season could still have a severely damaging effect on the team even at the end of the season. Fully prepared to be corrected on that though by people more knowledgeable than me. I do think that only bringing the players back in for training on the Thursday, considering we've got the summer break after Saturday, is highly questionable. What have the players done to deserve a 4 day break after the last game!? When you compare the stats to our rivals the number of games of players played and injuries etc is not bad at all. The 4 days off is ridiculous considering we have a squad to assess. Finally, in blaming pre season and conditioning he is throwing 4 or 5 staff members (physio, fitness coach, nutritionist etc) who are probably on £35k or so a year under the bus. They have no way of defending the allegations or proving him wrong as they would be sacked immediately. It’s cowardly and out of order. Ben, Ben . . . Give it a rest mate! YOU as “Manager” were ultimately responsible for overseeing the pre-season, for ensuring the players returned in their best condition after the summer, for sanctioning or penalising those who weren’t in shape, for the training and coaching etc. Or is all that stuff you wrote in the Coaches Voice thing about how you were Charlie Big Spuds and had responsibility for and control of pretty much every aspect of the club just a load of old bollocks? Enquiring minds are keen to know . . .
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Post by carlts2020 on May 8, 2021 13:26:02 GMT
When you compare the stats to our rivals the number of games of players played and injuries etc is not bad at all. The 4 days off is ridiculous considering we have a squad to assess. Finally, in blaming pre season and conditioning he is throwing 4 or 5 staff members (physio, fitness coach, nutritionist etc) who are probably on £35k or so a year under the bus. They have no way of defending the allegations or proving him wrong as they would be sacked immediately. It’s cowardly and out of order. Ben, Ben . . . Give it a rest mate! YOU as “Manager” were ultimately responsible for overseeing the pre-season, for ensuring the players returned in their best condition after the summer, for sanctioning or penalising those who weren’t in shape, for the training and coaching etc. Or is all that stuff you wrote in the Coaches Voice thing about how you were Charlie Big Spuds and had responsibility for and control of pretty much every aspect of the club just a load of old bollocks? Enquiring minds are keen to know . . . Enquiring Minds? Didn’t they have a number one in 1979? Shortly after Tis took over we won 3 out of 4 league games...anyone have any fitness concerns then? Any real injury issues? Thought not.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on May 8, 2021 14:51:42 GMT
Ben, Ben . . . Give it a rest mate! YOU as “Manager” were ultimately responsible for overseeing the pre-season, for ensuring the players returned in their best condition after the summer, for sanctioning or penalising those who weren’t in shape, for the training and coaching etc. Or is all that stuff you wrote in the Coaches Voice thing about how you were Charlie Big Spuds and had responsibility for and control of pretty much every aspect of the club just a load of old bollocks? Enquiring minds are keen to know . . . Enquiring Minds? Didn’t they have a number one in 1979? Shortly after Tis took over we won 3 out of 4 league games...anyone have any fitness concerns then? Any real injury issues? Thought not. If this squad is at the required fitness level for a full season can you explain how we've managed 2 yes 2 goals all season after the 75th minute ? As for only bringing the players in for a couple of days last week do you really think the management team don't already know the players they want to keep. Theres absolutely no way two or three extra training sessions ahead of a game that means nothing will have any influence on who is retained
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Post by dinsdale on May 8, 2021 15:31:30 GMT
I agree with Hugo. I would go as far as to say that if Starnes and Widdrington are still in a job next season then There is an almost criminal neglect of this club going on Bloody hell Dins, I was only thinking about you the other day. Good to see you back Thanks bud, not really been away just havent had a lot to add that wouldnt sound repetitive lol. I was glad we appointed Barton btw however i was wrong it was a stupid thing to do. You well mate?
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Post by playtowin on May 8, 2021 15:58:10 GMT
Enquiring Minds? Didn’t they have a number one in 1979? Shortly after Tis took over we won 3 out of 4 league games...anyone have any fitness concerns then? Any real injury issues? Thought not. If this squad is at the required fitness level for a full season can you explain how we've managed 2 yes 2 goals all season after the 75th minute ? As for only bringing the players in for a couple of days last week do you really think the management team don't already know the players they want to keep. Theres absolutely no way two or three extra training sessions ahead of a game that means nothing will have any influence on who is retained I believe our Joey mentioned that players will be told Monday or Tuesday where their future at Rovers stands.
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Post by yetigas on May 8, 2021 16:33:34 GMT
Enquiring Minds? Didn’t they have a number one in 1979? Shortly after Tis took over we won 3 out of 4 league games...anyone have any fitness concerns then? Any real injury issues? Thought not. If this squad is at the required fitness level for a full season can you explain how we've managed 2 yes 2 goals all season after the 75th minute ? As for only bringing the players in for a couple of days last week do you really think the management team don't already know the players they want to keep. Theres absolutely no way two or three extra training sessions ahead of a game that means nothing will have any influence on who is retained It may not have any influence on who is retained, but we are supposed to be a professional club with a manager who has been very critical of others training methods. He is being paid in part to improve players, so giving them all 4 days off before the season ends is very strange. The fact that the Blackpool game is meaningless is irrelevant. If Barton wants the club to have a more professional culture then I am struggling to see how giving players most of the week off helps. ALL matches are important when you wear the Rover shirt, and these 'days off' suggests more of a 'couldn't care less' attitude from Barton. I hope the performance on the pitch tomorrow shows more commitment from the players than Barton has shown this week.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 8, 2021 16:56:08 GMT
If this squad is at the required fitness level for a full season can you explain how we've managed 2 yes 2 goals all season after the 75th minute ? As for only bringing the players in for a couple of days last week do you really think the management team don't already know the players they want to keep. Theres absolutely no way two or three extra training sessions ahead of a game that means nothing will have any influence on who is retained It may not have any influence on who is retained, but we are supposed to be a professional club with a manager who has been very critical of others training methods. He is being paid in part to improve players, so giving them all 4 days off before the season ends is very strange. The fact that the Blackpool game is meaningless is irrelevant. If Barton wants the club to have a more professional culture then I am struggling to see how giving players most of the week off helps. ALL matches are important when you wear the Rover shirt, and these 'days off' suggests more of a 'couldn't care less' attitude from Barton. I hope the performance on the pitch tomorrow shows more commitment from the players than Barton has shown this week. He said he gave them time off to recharge in his interview
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Post by Topper Gas on May 8, 2021 17:04:14 GMT
I’m fed up with reading nonsense from blame avoiding Starnes, Widdrington and Barton. Yesterday presser has Barton still talking about pre-season yet in the early days of the season we defended with our lives in the last 15 minutes of the game to win at Lincoln and Draw at Sunderland...i don’t remember us having fitness issues! We have 15 players who have played over 25 games this season for the club, 10 that have played over 30 games and 6 that have played over 40 games. Claiming he needs to “review the players” to see who stays and goes next season but only had the players back in training on Thursday after a Saturday game! Claiming they are tired is nonsense...get them in for recovery, talk tactics, work on defending set pieces etc. Utter bollocks and after Starnes scripted sh** yesterday it’s all becoming too much I don't agree with your pro Garner agenda, but I can't disagree with this post. I'm no sports scientist but I'm tempted to call BS that pre season could still have a severely damaging effect on the team even at the end of the season. Fully prepared to be corrected on that though by people more knowledgeable than me. I do think that only bringing the players back in for training on the Thursday, considering we've got the summer break after Saturday, is highly questionable. What have the players done to deserve a 4 day break after the last game!? What's the point in one(?) additional training session, do you really think that's going to change the outcome tomorrow? Barton's making his bed by seemingly moving on most of this season's under performing players, I wonder if the posters criticising him, are prepared to do the same if he does turn things around and make us into a top 7 challenging side next season. I seriously think some posters will be gutted if he does.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 8, 2021 17:07:27 GMT
Where do people get the notion that Starnes should have signed More strikers? He should have advised Garner that we were underweight in strikers and that Garner should address it. Or he should have signed the players requested by Garner and Tisdale. The Bristol Post has named 5 players recently that Garner and Tisdale put forward to sign and the club didn’t pull it off. Surely that was Starnes main job?? Get the deals done! I thought the BP named 5 players they thought we should sign? Anyway what decent professional football would want to play for BG or PT in a relegation fight. Anyway surely the HoR deals with recruitment, hence the title, I guess you were never the brightest Ben?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 8, 2021 17:11:02 GMT
Where do people get the notion that Starnes should have signed More strikers? He should have advised Garner that we were underweight in strikers and that Garner should address it. He did and Garner's response was he only intended playing one striker, so three strikers including Nicholson was enough, that does sound plausible. Don't forget the squad was so full we had to put Ogogo etc in the stands so there was no room for another striker, there were plenty of LB's for Ben to choose from though. Signing Liddle and Kioki were some of the strangest signings we've ever made.
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Post by Jomo on May 8, 2021 17:25:34 GMT
I don't agree with your pro Garner agenda, but I can't disagree with this post. I'm no sports scientist but I'm tempted to call BS that pre season could still have a severely damaging effect on the team even at the end of the season. Fully prepared to be corrected on that though by people more knowledgeable than me. I do think that only bringing the players back in for training on the Thursday, considering we've got the summer break after Saturday, is highly questionable. What have the players done to deserve a 4 day break after the last game!? What's the point in one(?) additional training session, do you really think that's going to change the outcome tomorrow? Barton's making his bed by seemingly moving on most of this season's under performing players, I wonder if the posters criticising him, are prepared to do the same if he does turn things around and make us into a top 7 challenging side next season. I seriously think some posters will be gutted if he does. Topper, I really hope you're not inferring that I'm childish enough not to give credit where it's due? If you are then you obviously know nothing about me or my posting style. Barton gets praise from me when it's due, and stick from me when that's due. Objectivity and balanced debate seems to be quite limited when it comes to Barton because he is such a divisive character, but believe it or not I don't dislike him, and I very much want him to succeed. But he is not immune from criticism, much like no other manager would be.
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Post by pirate on May 8, 2021 17:36:16 GMT
Where do people get the notion that Starnes should have signed More strikers? He should have advised Garner that we were underweight in strikers and that Garner should address it. He did and Garner's response was he only intended playing one striker, so three strikers including Nicholson was enough, that does sound plausible. Don't forget the squad was so full we had to put Ogogo etc in the stands so there was no room for another striker, there were plenty of LB's for Ben to choose from though. Signing Liddle and Kioki were some of the strangest signings we've ever made. 3 strikers was always a nonsense decision. What happens if he wanted to mix things up and go with 2 upfront for whatever reason and we had one striker injured? Who is their to come on and make an impact off the bench if needed?
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on May 8, 2021 17:38:44 GMT
If this squad is at the required fitness level for a full season can you explain how we've managed 2 yes 2 goals all season after the 75th minute ? As for only bringing the players in for a couple of days last week do you really think the management team don't already know the players they want to keep. Theres absolutely no way two or three extra training sessions ahead of a game that means nothing will have any influence on who is retained It may not have any influence on who is retained, but we are supposed to be a professional club with a manager who has been very critical of others training methods. He is being paid in part to improve players, so giving them all 4 days off before the season ends is very strange. The fact that the Blackpool game is meaningless is irrelevant. If Barton wants the club to have a more professional culture then I am struggling to see how giving players most of the week off helps. ALL matches are important when you wear the Rover shirt, and these 'days off' suggests more of a 'couldn't care less' attitude from Barton. I hope the performance on the pitch tomorrow shows more commitment from the players than Barton has shown this week. Personally I think it's more a case of trying to protect the players that are fit, Kilgour & Upson both out as well plus the existing injuries. I completely agree that all games are important and professional pride should kick in but I fail to see what exactly could Barton really have done this week that would make any difference tomorrow.
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Post by carlts2020 on May 8, 2021 17:46:39 GMT
Or he should have signed the players requested by Garner and Tisdale. The Bristol Post has named 5 players recently that Garner and Tisdale put forward to sign and the club didn’t pull it off. Surely that was Starnes main job?? Get the deals done! I thought the BP named 5 players they thought we should sign? Anyway what decent professional football would want to play for BG or PT in a relegation fight. Anyway surely the HoR deals with recruitment, hence the title, I guess you were never the brightest Ben? Wrong again. “Bristol Live understands he also pushed for the signing of another striker following Clarke-Harris' exit, namely AFC Wimbledon's talisman Joe Pigott who was available for a relatively modest transfer fee having entered the final year of his contract at Plough Lane. By the time that approach was approved, the striker had made an electric start to the season and the cost of a potential deal with the player and his representatives skyrocketed. But how Rovers could have used a 20-goal striker like him this season.”
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Post by carlts2020 on May 8, 2021 17:47:14 GMT
Where do people get the notion that Starnes should have signed More strikers? He should have advised Garner that we were underweight in strikers and that Garner should address it. He did and Garner's response was he only intended playing one striker, so three strikers including Nicholson was enough, that does sound plausible. Don't forget the squad was so full we had to put Ogogo etc in the stands so there was no room for another striker, there were plenty of LB's for Ben to choose from though. Signing Liddle and Kioki were some of the strangest signings we've ever made. Wrong again: “Bristol Live understands he also pushed for the signing of another striker following Clarke-Harris' exit, namely AFC Wimbledon's talisman Joe Pigott who was available for a relatively modest transfer fee having entered the final year of his contract at Plough Lane. By the time that approach was approved, the striker had made an electric start to the season and the cost of a potential deal with the player and his representatives skyrocketed. But how Rovers could have used a 20-goal striker like him this season.”
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Post by pirate on May 8, 2021 17:50:21 GMT
I thought the BP named 5 players they thought we should sign? Anyway what decent professional football would want to play for BG or PT in a relegation fight. Anyway surely the HoR deals with recruitment, hence the title, I guess you were never the brightest Ben? Wrong again. “Bristol Live understands he also pushed for the signing of another striker following Clarke-Harris' exit, namely AFC Wimbledon's talisman Joe Pigott who was available for a relatively modest transfer fee having entered the final year of his contract at Plough Lane. By the time that approach was approved, the striker had made an electric start to the season and the cost of a potential deal with the player and his representatives skyrocketed. But how Rovers could have used a 20-goal striker like him this season.” Why didn't you go for someone else after we missed the boat on Piggott?
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Post by carlts2020 on May 8, 2021 17:51:00 GMT
Or he should have signed the players requested by Garner and Tisdale. The Bristol Post has named 5 players recently that Garner and Tisdale put forward to sign and the club didn’t pull it off. Surely that was Starnes main job?? Get the deals done! I thought the BP named 5 players they thought we should sign? Anyway what decent professional football would want to play for BG or PT in a relegation fight. Anyway surely the HoR deals with recruitment, hence the title, I guess you were never the brightest Ben? If that’s the HorR job why did Starnes say in his interview he offered 50% more for Stockley and also that he phoned Nathan Jones to sign the lad at Luton. Keep up mate.
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Post by yetigas on May 8, 2021 17:51:05 GMT
It may not have any influence on who is retained, but we are supposed to be a professional club with a manager who has been very critical of others training methods. He is being paid in part to improve players, so giving them all 4 days off before the season ends is very strange. The fact that the Blackpool game is meaningless is irrelevant. If Barton wants the club to have a more professional culture then I am struggling to see how giving players most of the week off helps. ALL matches are important when you wear the Rover shirt, and these 'days off' suggests more of a 'couldn't care less' attitude from Barton. I hope the performance on the pitch tomorrow shows more commitment from the players than Barton has shown this week. Personally I think it's more a case of trying to protect the players that are fit, Kilgour & Upson both out as well plus the existing injuries. I completely agree that all games are important and professional pride should kick in but I fail to see what exactly could Barton really have done this week that would make any difference tomorrow. I am always impressed when I read about top players and the way they train. For me its not specifically about the Blackpool match, more about creating a culture where players need/want/are expected to improve. If they don't need to train for team work then they can train for improving their individual skills - badly needed in some cases!
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Post by carlts2020 on May 8, 2021 17:52:26 GMT
Wrong again. “Bristol Live understands he also pushed for the signing of another striker following Clarke-Harris' exit, namely AFC Wimbledon's talisman Joe Pigott who was available for a relatively modest transfer fee having entered the final year of his contract at Plough Lane. By the time that approach was approved, the striker had made an electric start to the season and the cost of a potential deal with the player and his representatives skyrocketed. But how Rovers could have used a 20-goal striker like him this season.” Why didn't you go for someone else after we missed the boat on Piggott? You not think it’s strange that Garner was pushing for a striker and the deal didn’t get done and Tisdale was pushing for a striker and the deal didn’t get done...
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