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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 14, 2021 20:10:58 GMT
Shut this thread down more Barton haters around I despair at times who ever is manager 4 Christ sake support the club Preconceptions alan he’s beaten up a few people and that doesn’t make him a bad manager people need to give him a chance. He’s been ok here and apart from results has done a good job I mean they’ve played better and he’s given them a kick up the Jack see which will benefit the long run Apart from results he's done a good job. You're a failing managers dream chairman mate.
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Post by wirralgas on May 14, 2021 20:12:13 GMT
By being honest about how badly things have been run, he got players feeling positive and onside with him - not all of the players, but certainly those who want to be professional, and have a competitive mindset. He's visited local charities - at least one of which was arranged by himself, not part of his club duties. He's engaged with the fanbase, where possible in the current circumstances. Via local press, social media, and having the balls to go out and talk to the fans who turned up at The Mem before the last home game. He's managed to show the door to some of the staff who were not fulfilling their duties to the required standard (I'm not including Manse in that). This is a plus point for the players, as there should be an improvement behind the scenes which benefits them. For me, the jury is still out regarding what happens on the pitch - I'll judge that when he's got some of his own players in, and some games under their belts. Good point that’s what I’ve been trying to say Tilly’s thighs one of footballs nice guys if you give him a chance just don’t get in the way if he wants to order a Big Mac ha ha
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Post by Topper Gas on May 14, 2021 20:21:40 GMT
OK, perhaps in general non-Barton related stuff fine, but in this particularly case you said you post in balance, and then followed that up by saying there are two schools of thought, "pro Barton" and "anti Barton". I'm saying that it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. Not as far as I'm concerned anyway.When did you last post anything positive about Barton, everything i recall reading has been negative about him? JB's clearly a marmite character but I can't see why we need so many anti-Barton threads started on a daily basis, there's been 3 today alone, with even the mods now starting them, it's not as if Gaschat members have any say in whether Wael continues to employ Barton or not If he's sacked tomorrow we'll just support his replacement, if he's still here in August we'll support him unless it becomes clear he's out of his depth.
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 20:29:39 GMT
OK, perhaps in general non-Barton related stuff fine, but in this particularly case you said you post in balance, and then followed that up by saying there are two schools of thought, "pro Barton" and "anti Barton". I'm saying that it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. Not as far as I'm concerned anyway.When did you last post anything positive about Barton, everything i recall reading has been negative about him? JB's clearly a marmite character but I can't see why we need so many anti-Barton threads started on a daily basis, there's been 3 today alone, with even the mods now starting them, it's not as if Gaschat members have any say in whether Wael continues to employ Barton or not If he's sacked tomorrow we'll just support his replacement, if he's still here in August we'll support him unless it becomes clear he's out of his depth. Most of my posts about him were positive until his rant about Ehmer which had my alarm bells ringing, and frankly since then what has there been that's positive? Edit: I particularly liked his way of integrating with the fans when he first arrived. The tweet with his kids in Gas shirts was a really nice moment as I recall. Sadly his rants really put a downer on it and I now am definitely more negative about him than positive. I actually think he let himself down as he's not a bad bloke or even a bad manager. He's just made a lot of mistakes with us so far. He's not a lost cause for me though and I really hope he turns us around.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 20:35:43 GMT
I'm hurting like all gasheads. My posting style is certainly not in extremes, I would consider myself to be a very balanced poster and always have been and I know for sure that the majority on here would agree with me.There are obviously two schools of thought on here, Pro or anti Barton, unfortunately in my opinion the anti Barton group appear to want to keep ramming it down everyone else's throat on a continuous basis. Like any gashead with any sense I realised in his first season Garner was not a manager and going into this season with such an unbalanced squad further enhanced that feeling. Long before Barton arrived I said we would go down and the reasons why we went down are clearly obvious and imho no manager could have saved us. It's happened now, I have accepted it and am happy to let Joey give it his best shot next season. It's as simple as that! Thanks bideford for trying to explain that, and I’d agree with what you’ve said about being a poster. I don’t think I’m anti-Barton and I’m looking forward to what he could achieve with a good pre-season and some decent players so am prepared to support him in that. And reading what you’ve said I agree but are we going on faith rather than on his performance so far as a manager for BRFC? But I’m genuinely puzzled when comparing the hammering BG and Tis got on here compared to JB who most seem to think is some kind of managing genius. I hope he is for all our sakes. League 2 is not the league to bugger about in. UTG! Thanks for that Wareham. As regards BG and PT. I think most gasheads would consider that BG's watch was a disaster from when he walked through the door. He then brought together the most unbalanced squad I can ever remember. We had enough fullbacks to field a team and totally unproven strikers. I think most gasheads were confident the centrehalfs he brought in would be up to the job, sadly that was not the case. Our owners then decided and I think it's fair to say that results from both seasons he was here were not good enough and sacked him. The vast majority of gasheads I would suggest agreed. PT was brought in and it was about 50/50 on here as to whether he was the right man for the job. The January window proved to be a disaster when we all knew what was required, results further declined and he was sacked. Posts on here pretty much agreed with our owners decision. JB came in with us all hoping he could turn things round. Sadly that did not happen, results went downhill,injuries increased and PT's "I'm not a magician" regarding our strikers came home to roost. I take no satisfaction that I said we would be relegated long before JB arrived came to fruition, but I am hopeful he will assemble a squad that is not unbalanced and some of those who are under contract will knuckle down and help the fight to get back up. Yes JB us very outspoken, calls the kettle black etc etc. That however is not going to change but hopefully a vast improvement on the pitch will overshadow those things and we can all come together again and have some success. UTG!
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on May 14, 2021 20:37:05 GMT
Oh wow another thread to bash JB, how original AND with a comical twist on a forty year old film... so not only are we reading posts that are just reworkings of others posts knocking JB, we're now seeing montey python posts that have been done to death. Jeeezus christ...
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Post by Topper Gas on May 14, 2021 20:37:18 GMT
When did you last post anything positive about Barton, everything i recall reading has been negative about him? JB's clearly a marmite character but I can't see why we need so many anti-Barton threads started on a daily basis, there's been 3 today alone, with even the mods now starting them, it's not as if Gaschat members have any say in whether Wael continues to employ Barton or not If he's sacked tomorrow we'll just support his replacement, if he's still here in August we'll support him unless it becomes clear he's out of his depth. Most of my posts about him were positive until his rant about Ehmer which had my alarm bells ringing, and frankly since then what has there been that's positive? The retention list was a start, not sure why we really need three anti Barton threads today when basically nothings changed today. What are all these posters going to do come August if we start off well, pretend they supported JB all along?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 20:38:31 GMT
OK, perhaps in general non-Barton related stuff fine, but in this particularly case you said you post in balance, and then followed that up by saying there are two schools of thought, "pro Barton" and "anti Barton". I'm saying that it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. Not as far as I'm concerned anyway.When did you last post anything positive about Barton, everything i recall reading has been negative about him? JB's clearly a marmite character but I can't see why we need so many anti-Barton threads started on a daily basis, there's been 3 today alone, with even the mods now starting them, it's not as if Gaschat members have any say in whether Wael continues to employ Barton or not If he's sacked tomorrow we'll just support his replacement, if he's still here in August we'll support him unless it becomes clear he's out of his depth. Good post Topper.
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Post by seanclevedongas on May 14, 2021 20:41:46 GMT
So
Apart from insulting previous managers Apart from publicly slating the players Apart from getting us relegated Apart from dividing the fan base
What has Barton ever done for us?
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 20:42:53 GMT
Most of my posts about him were positive until his rant about Ehmer which had my alarm bells ringing, and frankly since then what has there been that's positive? The retention list was a start, not sure why we really need three anti Barton threads today when basically nothings changed today. What are all these posters going to do come August if we start off well, pretend they supported JB all along? I can promise you Topper, that if we succeed under Barton, I will be delighted and I will happily admit that I was critical of him in our run in. That won't change, because I genuinely just don't agree with some of the ways he goes about his business in the press, and I don't believe he did a good job in attempting to keep us up. Still, if he can turn us around and nip the rants in the bud, I will be thrilled.
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 20:45:45 GMT
Most of my posts about him were positive until his rant about Ehmer which had my alarm bells ringing, and frankly since then what has there been that's positive? The retention list was a start, not sure why we really need three anti Barton threads today when basically nothings changed today. What are all these posters going to do come August if we start off well, pretend they supported JB all along? To be fair I do completely agree that 3 threads on essentially the same topic is overkill. I might be critical, but I'm not strictly "anti-Barton".
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 14, 2021 20:45:45 GMT
Mmm, the question asked is indeed a difficult one to answer in a positive way. I will always support who ever is manager of our club and that simply is why i support JB. Whether i support the manager is not the question though , the question is 'what has he done to justify my positive view of him?' I am quite shocked JB was unable to save us from the drop , but it confirmed what was becoming increasingly obvious, that despite the protestations of some of the coaching staff and board members , the squad were just not good enough. This was not JB s fault , nor PTs though the latter could and should have done something about it in the Jan window. We were all excited pre-season about the new players, the behind the scenes changes of personnel whether coaches, medics , tea lady's and all which brings me to 'What has JB done to inspire loyalty from fans in the face of an awful playing record?' The answer ,for many, is that he has not been afraid to ask some awkward questions of players, coaches, medics , whatever, even board members and the answers are not what he expected from a club who aspire have a championship team. Having discovered the malaise affecting the club he is taking steps to remove the causes and is about to get this very sick patient on the road to recovery so we have a bright future to look forward to. Had JB not been appointed we may well have carried on in the same vein, thinking every thing behind the scenes was hunky dory. So JB has examined the patient, diagnosed the causes of the ailment and now we can recover. His bed side manner is not to every ones liking and i wish he was a little more diplomatic but it takes all sorts, i hope he has made the right diagnosis and prescribed the right treatment if so he will be a hero next season , if not he will be 'struck' off! I wish him well, up the Rovers !
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 20:47:18 GMT
Mmm, the question asked is indeed a difficult one to answer in a positive way. I will always support who ever is manager of our club and that simply is why i support JB. Whether i support the manager is not the question though , the question is 'what has he done to justify my positive view of him?' I am quite shocked JB was unable to save us from the drop , but it confirmed what was becoming increasingly obvious, that despite the protestations of some of the coaching staff and board members , the squad were just not good enough. This was not JB s fault , nor PTs though the latter could and should have done something about it in the Jan window. We were all excited pre-season about the new players, the behind the scenes changes of personnel whether coaches, medics , tea lady's and all which brings me to 'What has JB done to inspire loyalty from fans in the face of an awful playing record?' The answer ,for many, is that he has not been afraid to ask some awkward questions of players, coaches, medics , whatever, even board members and the answers are not what he expected from a club who aspire have a championship team. Having discovered the malaise affecting the club he is taking steps to remove the causes and is about to get this very sick patient on the road to recovery so we have a bright future to look forward to. Had JB not been appointed we may well have carried on in the same vein, thinking every thing behind the scenes was hunky dory. So JB has examined the patient, diagnosed the causes of the ailment and now we can recover. His bed side manner is not to every ones liking and i wish he was a little more diplomatic but it takes all sorts, i hope he has made the right diagnosis and prescribed the right treatment if so he will be a hero next season , if not he will be 'struck' off! I wish him well, up the Rovers ! Good post halifax.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on May 14, 2021 20:47:37 GMT
When did you last post anything positive about Barton, everything i recall reading has been negative about him? JB's clearly a marmite character but I can't see why we need so many anti-Barton threads started on a daily basis, there's been 3 today alone, with even the mods now starting them, it's not as if Gaschat members have any say in whether Wael continues to employ Barton or not If he's sacked tomorrow we'll just support his replacement, if he's still here in August we'll support him unless it becomes clear he's out of his depth. Good post Topper. Well said it also irritates me greatly that mods also start these threads, as I've said before sometimes its better to stay quiet and look intelligent than to open your mouth and prove otherwise
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Post by aghast on May 14, 2021 20:51:41 GMT
Mmm, the question asked is indeed a difficult one to answer in a positive way. I will always support who ever is manager of our club and that simply is why i support JB. Whether i support the manager is not the question though , the question is 'what has he done to justify my positive view of him?' I am quite shocked JB was unable to save us from the drop , but it confirmed what was becoming increasingly obvious, that despite the protestations of some of the coaching staff and board members , the squad were just not good enough. This was not JB s fault , nor PTs though the latter could and should have done something about it in the Jan window. We were all excited pre-season about the new players, the behind the scenes changes of personnel whether coaches, medics , tea lady's and all which brings me to 'What has JB done to inspire loyalty from fans in the face of an awful playing record?' The answer ,for many, is that he has not been afraid to ask some awkward questions of players, coaches, medics , whatever, even board members and the answers are not what he expected from a club who aspire have a championship team. Having discovered the malaise affecting the club he is taking steps to remove the causes and is about to get this very sick patient on the road to recovery so we have a bright future to look forward to. Had JB not been appointed we may well have carried on in the same vein, thinking every thing behind the scenes was hunky dory. So JB has examined the patient, diagnosed the causes of the ailment and now we can recover. His bed side manner is not to every ones liking and i wish he was a little more diplomatic but it takes all sorts, i hope he has made the right diagnosis and prescribed the right treatment if so he will be a hero next season , if not he will be 'struck' off! I wish him well, up the Rovers ! Thank you. That's exactly the sort of post I was hoping to read on a thread that is NOT meant to be anti-Barton.
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Post by dinsdale on May 14, 2021 20:55:23 GMT
I hope Barton is successful but so far he has been terrible. DC had a poor start and went on to do well so you cant right him off.
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Post by socrates on May 14, 2021 21:03:26 GMT
Genuine question to those who back him. Ignoring the negatives about results, relegation, reputation, negative press conferences, criticism of predecessors etc etc. We've been over all that. I'm genuinely mystified why people think he's the new Messiah. So, listing positives only, if possible, what has he done for the club? Not what he might do. Anyone in theory could be a good manager. It's a science, an art and a bit of luck. What has he done to date which is positive and helps the club going forwards? Nothing so far but neither did DC in his first part of season. Barton should be given a chance to build a side and have a go next season the same as DC was given a chance.
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Post by orgasmic on May 14, 2021 21:04:11 GMT
So Apart from insulting previous managers Apart from publicly slating the players Apart from getting us relegated Apart from dividing the fan base What has Barton ever done for us? Please refrain from having an opinion.
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Post by orgasmic on May 14, 2021 21:05:19 GMT
Preconceptions alan he’s beaten up a few people and that doesn’t make him a bad manager people need to give him a chance. He’s been ok here and apart from results has done a good job I mean they’ve played better and he’s given them a kick up the Jack see which will benefit the long run Apart from results he's done a good job. You're a failing managers dream chairman mate. Please refrain from having an opinion
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Post by socrates on May 14, 2021 21:08:34 GMT
Mmm, the question asked is indeed a difficult one to answer in a positive way. I will always support who ever is manager of our club and that simply is why i support JB. Whether i support the manager is not the question though , the question is 'what has he done to justify my positive view of him?' I am quite shocked JB was unable to save us from the drop , but it confirmed what was becoming increasingly obvious, that despite the protestations of some of the coaching staff and board members , the squad were just not good enough. This was not JB s fault , nor PTs though the latter could and should have done something about it in the Jan window. We were all excited pre-season about the new players, the behind the scenes changes of personnel whether coaches, medics , tea lady's and all which brings me to 'What has JB done to inspire loyalty from fans in the face of an awful playing record?' The answer ,for many, is that he has not been afraid to ask some awkward questions of players, coaches, medics , whatever, even board members and the answers are not what he expected from a club who aspire have a championship team. Having discovered the malaise affecting the club he is taking steps to remove the causes and is about to get this very sick patient on the road to recovery so we have a bright future to look forward to. Had JB not been appointed we may well have carried on in the same vein, thinking every thing behind the scenes was hunky dory. So JB has examined the patient, diagnosed the causes of the ailment and now we can recover. His bed side manner is not to every ones liking and i wish he was a little more diplomatic but it takes all sorts, i hope he has made the right diagnosis and prescribed the right treatment if so he will be a hero next season , if not he will be 'struck' off! I wish him well, up the Rovers ! Agree with most of that except we weren’t all excited pre season. After watching what Garner had done last season and seeing all our leaders leave in the summer apart from Ogogo who wasn’t picked even for the squad I had very little faith that he would build what was needed. If my Mrs played football manager I reckon she would have built a squad in her first summer with more balance and leadership than Garner did.
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