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Post by oldie on May 15, 2021 5:41:02 GMT
Well said it also irritates me greatly that mods also start these threads, as I've said before sometimes its better to stay quiet and look intelligent than to open your mouth and prove otherwise I just had to laugh at this, the absolute unintended irony. So You mean like Barton has 😂😀😂😂
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Post by baggins on May 15, 2021 5:41:36 GMT
Are you having a fecking laugh? Seriously!? How the hell is "calling relegation early" and saying "we're not good enough" good management? He accelerated our relegation and ensured we went down quickly and easily and without a fight. If you think that's good management then you're either a WUM or you have a screw loose. I'm going to eat 12 bags of wotsits tonight and make myself feel ill. We'll see who's smart later when I'm cheesy orange and ill. How did that go? Attachment Deleted
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Post by orgasmic on May 15, 2021 5:45:42 GMT
All of what you say is true. It’s not relevant though. It was stated the players got us relegated and no manager could save us. What another manager may or may not have done is totally irrelevant to the point that under JB the players got worse and went from a position of safety to 5 points adrift at the bottom. What you say is true to we’re kind of agreeing but you don’t really answer my question In direct answer to your question nobody knows what another manager might have achieved. It's still totally irrelevant to the point that was made though.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 15, 2021 5:55:46 GMT
We have been sh** for probably 6 months before DC left. Coughlan got some very ugly results but I think we rode our luck in quite a few games that papered over the cracks. Garner and Tisdale both failed spectacularly having each had a chance to bring in players. Barton is doing something very different and bloody hell, do we ever need something different. Will it work? No idea, but what we were doing is proven to be a failure. If I were a betting man, I think Barton will destroy everything before falling out with someone once too often and will leave. I honestly believe that his successor will benefit greatly from the much overdue shake up that Barton is undertaking. Interesting look at it. So Barton will do a lot of good without actually getting results get sacked and whoever comes in will pick up the reigns and succeed. Kind of like Atkins - Trollope ? Yeah. I think he is doing all the right things in all the wrong ways.
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Post by orgasmic on May 15, 2021 6:02:31 GMT
Better index in his little book of connections than tw@tty tw@ttington. A desire to succeed. Honesty. Desire. But he’s our manager, let’s see what his own team can achieve, then get the knives out. Or just don’t bother turning up. Stop moaning, cricket 🏏 seasons bubbling up nicely. Enjoy that instead like me. Up the cidermen Kim Jong Un agrees the dissenters should stop moaning, not turn up and generally stop voicing an opinion on an Internet forum.
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Post by gashead1981 on May 15, 2021 6:04:28 GMT
Oh dear can someone list all the things Garner and Tisdale dos for the club..we have been relegated, deservedly so, a good side would not have got relegated unfortunately we sign a load of player that are no good. Get over it already, Joey is going nowhere. Let's give him a chance to build a squad of players we can be proud of. Garner and Tisdale kept us above the relegation zone for starters. Barton's remit was to keep us up and he failed spectacularly. Judging by his comments, he main focus is self-preservation and protecting his fragile ego. The rot set in under Tisdale IMO. Under Garner we weren’t great, but the start of the season was ok, given what we know now about where the teams that we played and where they have ended up in the final classification. Tisdale had the chance to come in and make us better as a unit and add to the squad in Jan to ensure we finished mid table. The football got worse under Tisdale, the players stopped trying under Tisdale and he utterly failed us in the Jan transfer window. As a result that rot that he oversaw on his watch could not be stopped. We looked beaten, bereft and lacked interest and ideas from mid December and when the transfer window shut in January we were doomed then. It didn’t matter what JB did, the lack of fitness, the injuries the strength, depth and quality of the squad just wasn’t there. Quite frankly, Alex Ferguson wouldn’t have gotten a tune out of the squad from Feb onwards.
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Post by wirralgas on May 15, 2021 6:09:38 GMT
Better index in his little book of connections than tw@tty tw@ttington. A desire to succeed. Honesty. Desire. But he’s our manager, let’s see what his own team can achieve, then get the knives out. Or just don’t bother turning up. Stop moaning, cricket 🏏 seasons bubbling up nicely. Enjoy that instead like me. Up the cidermen Kim Jong Un agrees the dissenters should stop moaning, not turn up and generally stop voicing an opinion on an Internet forum. Yes I agree with this people should trust him and back him and stop moaning about everything he says and does he knows what he’s doing
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on May 15, 2021 6:11:14 GMT
Well said it also irritates me greatly that mods also start these threads, as I've said before sometimes its better to stay quiet and look intelligent than to open your mouth and prove otherwise I just had to laugh at this, the absolute unintended irony. So You mean like Barton has 😂😀😂😂 What is everybody's obsession with the hatred of JB? Am I alone in this? My post had nothing to do with JB it was about us forum users, yet its been twisted out of context to imply I'm not happy with him. I get it that people don't like change but something has to happen, year after year we drag our way through the season, its not like we are regular top 6 finishers each season, mid or bottom half seems about normal, If JB is seeing something internally that is the reason why we are so often in that position then I am absolutely delighted he is taking it apart and getting rid of deadwood. I'm all in
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Post by orgasmic on May 15, 2021 6:13:53 GMT
Kim Jong Un agrees the dissenters should stop moaning, not turn up and generally stop voicing an opinion on an Internet forum. Yes I agree with this people should trust him and back him and stop moaning about everything he says and does he knows what he’s doing It's just an opinion on the Internet. When the season starts I will join thousands of other people at the Mem giving my support to the team including JB as I want them to win. I will however continue to post my opinion on the Internet. Hopefully JB changes his approach and my opinion changes. If so, that's what I will post. Until then, I think he has been a useless and damaging appointment.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 15, 2021 6:14:16 GMT
So far the only positive I've read is that he that he's good at telling everyone they're sh**. Great man management skills that. You don’t need to man manage people you are sacking. Maybe it was that attitude that sent us down.
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Post by falsenumber9 on May 15, 2021 6:14:20 GMT
Garner and Tisdale kept us above the relegation zone for starters. Barton's remit was to keep us up and he failed spectacularly. Judging by his comments, he main focus is self-preservation and protecting his fragile ego. The rot set in under Tisdale IMO. Under Garner we weren’t great, but the start of the season was ok, given what we know now about where the teams that we played and where they have ended up in the final classification. Tisdale had the chance to come in and make us better as a unit and add to the squad in Jan to ensure we finished mid table. The football got worse under Tisdale, the players stopped trying under Tisdale and he utterly failed us in the Jan transfer window. As a result that rot that he oversaw on his watch could not be stopped. We looked beaten, bereft and lacked interest and ideas from mid December and when the transfer window shut in January we were doomed then. It didn’t matter what JB did, the lack of fitness, the injuries the strength, depth and quality of the squad just wasn’t there. Quite frankly, Alex Ferguson wouldn’t have gotten a tune out of the squad from Feb onwards. Fair enough, that's your opinion. I actually thought we played our best game under Tisdale and the Covid break knocked us out our stride. It's not clear what scope PT had to bring in players but any additions would have likely been very limited. What is clear is that JB threw in the towel far too early and simply was an terrible choice to come in and firefight. The idea that we were dead and buried despite being two clear of relegation at the time of his arrival is just nonsense.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on May 15, 2021 6:17:07 GMT
I actually hate this part of the season. No football to discuss, only news of people going from the club, no news of signings so people turn to creating drama for dramas sake. Think I'll just try to comment on real news posts until the season starts
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Post by gasheadbatesy on May 15, 2021 6:24:56 GMT
Better index in his little book of connections than tw@tty tw@ttington. A desire to succeed. Honesty. Desire. But he’s our manager, let’s see what his own team can achieve, then get the knives out. Or just don’t bother turning up. Stop moaning, cricket 🏏 seasons bubbling up nicely. Enjoy that instead like me. Up the cidermen Kim Jong Un agrees the dissenters should stop moaning, not turn up and generally stop voicing an opinion on an Internet forum. That is my opinion perhaps I should have added. 🧐
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Post by orgasmic on May 15, 2021 6:27:55 GMT
Kim Jong Un agrees the dissenters should stop moaning, not turn up and generally stop voicing an opinion on an Internet forum. That is my opinion perhaps I should have added. 🧐 Ah, so your opinion is that people who disagree with you on an Internet forum should stop posting. Gotcha!
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Post by oldie on May 15, 2021 6:28:38 GMT
I just had to laugh at this, the absolute unintended irony. So You mean like Barton has 😂😀😂😂 What is everybody's obsession with the hatred of JB? Am I alone in this? My post had nothing to do with JB it was about us forum users, yet its been twisted out of context to imply I'm not happy with him. I get it that people don't like change but something has to happen, year after year we drag our way through the season, its not like we are regular top 6 finishers each season, mid or bottom half seems about normal, If JB is seeing something internally that is the reason why we are so often in that position then I am absolutely delighted he is taking it apart and getting rid of deadwood. I'm all in No need to conflate. I was just pointing out the wonderful, unintended, irony in your post. Delicious
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Post by gashead1981 on May 15, 2021 6:43:25 GMT
The rot set in under Tisdale IMO. Under Garner we weren’t great, but the start of the season was ok, given what we know now about where the teams that we played and where they have ended up in the final classification. Tisdale had the chance to come in and make us better as a unit and add to the squad in Jan to ensure we finished mid table. The football got worse under Tisdale, the players stopped trying under Tisdale and he utterly failed us in the Jan transfer window. As a result that rot that he oversaw on his watch could not be stopped. We looked beaten, bereft and lacked interest and ideas from mid December and when the transfer window shut in January we were doomed then. It didn’t matter what JB did, the lack of fitness, the injuries the strength, depth and quality of the squad just wasn’t there. Quite frankly, Alex Ferguson wouldn’t have gotten a tune out of the squad from Feb onwards. Fair enough, that's your opinion. I actually thought we played our best game under Tisdale and the Covid break knocked us out our stride. It's not clear what scope PT had to bring in players but any additions would have likely been very limited. What is clear is that JB threw in the towel far too early and simply was an terrible choice to come in and firefight. The idea that we were dead and buried despite being two clear of relegation at the time of his arrival is just nonsense. From the interviews Wael, MS and JB have given it was clear there was budget for players and a striker but the fixation with Stockley cost us big time. I don’t think he threw the towel in. But after losing Nicholson and Grant and Ogogo it was the nail in the coffin. We had nothing left to replace them with. Tisdale sending Tom Davies on loan in a team where defence is a problem was also suicide. Injury/fitness or not, it’s all hands on deck and another poor decision. He played 10+ games for Barrow with some MOM performances too.
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Post by gas2 on May 15, 2021 6:52:06 GMT
Judge joey barton on what happens from now not on last season as it was one big cock up by garner and co lets see what he does in the transfer market ? Hope he brings in players what he wants not other peoples
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Post by wirralgas on May 15, 2021 6:57:37 GMT
Judge joey barton on what happens from now not on last season as it was one big cock up by garner and co lets see what he does in the transfer market ? Hope he brings in players what he wants not other peoples This is spot on. When pirate kept saying it’s Barton or relegation it wasn’t fair as we were as good as down and keeping us up was never a realistic option time to judge from now and from what we’ve seen since the season ended is all positive Utg
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 7:00:11 GMT
Interesting look at it. So Barton will do a lot of good without actually getting results get sacked and whoever comes in will pick up the reigns and succeed. Kind of like Atkins - Trollope ? Yeah. I think he is doing all the right things in all the wrong ways. But in the right order.
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Post by peterparker on May 15, 2021 7:35:50 GMT
Interesting look at it. So Barton will do a lot of good without actually getting results get sacked and whoever comes in will pick up the reigns and succeed. Kind of like Atkins - Trollope ? Yeah. I think he is doing all the right things in all the wrong ways.
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