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Post by pirate on Nov 28, 2021 11:54:22 GMT
There is a long way to go yet and a lot will depend on the January window. We know what we are crying out for, but will money be made available ? To be honest I don’t think money is necessarily the problem - for whatever reason, we just don’t seem to be able to attract decent strikers to come and play for us . . . Money was a problem last season when we failed to meet what was required to sign Piggott from Wimbledon who went on to score 20 goals.
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Post by darkbluegas on Nov 28, 2021 12:04:03 GMT
To be honest I don’t think money is necessarily the problem - for whatever reason, we just don’t seem to be able to attract decent strikers to come and play for us . . . Money was a problem last season when we failed to meet what was required to sign Piggott from Wimbledon who went on to score 20 goals. How much was Piggott after, were we far off what he wanted?
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Post by pirate on Nov 28, 2021 12:10:36 GMT
Money was a problem last season when we failed to meet what was required to sign Piggott from Wimbledon who went on to score 20 goals. How much was Piggott after, were we far off what he wanted? We wouldn't meet the transfer fee Wimbledon wanted.
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Post by kampucheagas on Nov 28, 2021 12:13:09 GMT
How is JCH doing this season? Haven’t been keeping up. With a 20% sell on fee, we could do with him being sold for £10 million to fund a new striker come Jan!!
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 28, 2021 12:16:09 GMT
I don’t believe money to be an issue at all. It was about the managers we had I believe.
For example, Tisdale spent all December/Jan chasing Stockley and we offered him more money than Charlton, but he went there anyway.
It will be about the draw of the club for many players and where they feel they can develop their career as well as earn a wedge.
With all due respect, we cannot compete with Ipswich on size of club and future opportunity, just like Stockley saw a better opportunity with Charlton than with us.
In some ways that highlights what JB has been saying about us, that we we offered big money for mediocrity too often and that caught up with us in the end. Having players like Ed Upson and Kyle Bennett on big long contracts that come half way through their contracts, we were getting no current return and we’re guaranteed no further return either.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 28, 2021 12:23:38 GMT
There is a long way to go yet and a lot will depend on the January window. We know what we are crying out for, but will money be made available ? To be honest I don’t think money is necessarily the problem - for whatever reason, we just don’t seem to be able to attract decent strikers to come and play for us . . . Surely money talk as what can FGR offer the likes of Matt we can't, given that location is just as bad and their training facilities etc can't be any better? Although January could come too late, as we could be miles adrift of the top 7 by then if the injury situation doesn't drastically improve.
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Post by pirate on Nov 28, 2021 12:25:40 GMT
I don’t believe money to be an issue at all. It was about the managers we had I believe. For example, Tisdale spent all December/Jan chasing Stockley and we offered him more money than Charlton, but he went there anyway. It will be about the draw of the club for many players and where they feel they can develop their career as well as earn a wedge. With all due respect, we cannot compete with Ipswich on size of club and future opportunity, just like Stockley saw a better opportunity with Charlton than with us. In some ways that highlights what JB has been saying about us, that we we offered big money for mediocrity too often and that caught up with us in the end. Having players like Ed Upson and Kyle Bennett on big long contracts that come half way through their contracts, we were getting no current return and we’re guaranteed no further return either. It’s my understanding we could have got Piggott last summer if we had met Wimbledon's asking price.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 28, 2021 12:27:53 GMT
How much was Piggott after, were we far off what he wanted? We wouldn't meet the transfer fee Wimbledon wanted. Wouldn't and couldn't aren't the same things though, we paid £150K for Hanlan which was decent money for an L1 striker.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 28, 2021 12:31:46 GMT
I don’t believe money to be an issue at all. It was about the managers we had I believe. For example, Tisdale spent all December/Jan chasing Stockley and we offered him more money than Charlton, but he went there anyway. It will be about the draw of the club for many players and where they feel they can develop their career as well as earn a wedge. With all due respect, we cannot compete with Ipswich on size of club and future opportunity, just like Stockley saw a better opportunity with Charlton than with us. In some ways that highlights what JB has been saying about us, that we we offered big money for mediocrity too often and that caught up with us in the end. Having players like Ed Upson and Kyle Bennett on big long contracts that come half way through their contracts, we were getting no current return and we’re guaranteed no further return either. It’s my understanding we could have got Piggott last summer if we had met Wimbledon's asking price. Which could have been anything up to £1m, unless we know the figure it's impossible to know if we lost out on a good deal. Plus Piggott could have always turned down the offer even we agreed to pay the fee. Although he's hardly setting L1 alight this season at Ipswich with just 2 goals so far.
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Post by pirate on Nov 28, 2021 12:32:58 GMT
We wouldn't meet the transfer fee Wimbledon wanted. Wouldn't and couldn't aren't the same things though, we paid £150K for Hanlan which was decent money for an L1 striker. I was responding to gashead1981 "I don’t believe money to be an issue at all" and olskooltoteender "To be honest I don’t think money is necessarily the problem", so if we wouldn't or couldn't meet the asking price for Piggott, then money WAS an issue/problem for that particular deal.
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Post by pirate on Nov 28, 2021 12:37:02 GMT
It’s my understanding we could have got Piggott last summer if we had met Wimbledon's asking price. Which could have been anything up to £1m, unless we know the figure it's impossible to know if we lost out on a good deal. Plus Piggott could have always turned down the offer even we agreed to pay the fee. Although he's hardly setting L1 alight this season at Ipswich with just 2 goals so far. "available for a relatively modest transfer fee having entered the final year of his contract at Plough Lane" according to The Bristol Post. Im sure his 20 goals last season would have made a difference.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 28, 2021 12:43:39 GMT
I don’t believe money to be an issue at all. It was about the managers we had I believe. For example, Tisdale spent all December/Jan chasing Stockley and we offered him more money than Charlton, but he went there anyway. It will be about the draw of the club for many players and where they feel they can develop their career as well as earn a wedge. With all due respect, we cannot compete with Ipswich on size of club and future opportunity, just like Stockley saw a better opportunity with Charlton than with us. In some ways that highlights what JB has been saying about us, that we we offered big money for mediocrity too often and that caught up with us in the end. Having players like Ed Upson and Kyle Bennett on big long contracts that come half way through their contracts, we were getting no current return and we’re guaranteed no further return either. But are Pitman, Anderton, Hughes, Clarke (x2), Coutts and Whelan any better returns wise? We were a middle table L1 side with Upson and co, now we're a mid table L2 side, probably with a similar wage budget in relative teams. I'm not sure any player looks potentially to have any sell on value, unless we cash in on Nicholson & Evans in January by next summer I doubt any player will have any transfer value. No doubt if JB's still here he'll then said he needs another "reset" as the players all let him down.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 28, 2021 13:04:37 GMT
Wouldn't and couldn't aren't the same things though, we paid £150K for Hanlan which was decent money for an L1 striker. I was responding to gashead1981 "I don’t believe money to be an issue at all" and olskooltoteender "To be honest I don’t think money is necessarily the problem", so if we wouldn't or couldn't meet the asking price for Piggott, then money WAS an issue/problem for that particular deal. Surely it's a consideration in every deal, somebody has to decide where the transfer/playing budget is spent. I could never understand how TW became so powerful, seemingly just on the back of the JCH transfer. So going to make January's big transfer decisions, TG, TW(unlikey?), EJ or JB?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 28, 2021 13:22:53 GMT
Wouldn't and couldn't aren't the same things though, we paid £150K for Hanlan which was decent money for an L1 striker. I was responding to gashead1981 "I don’t believe money to be an issue at all" and olskooltoteender "To be honest I don’t think money is necessarily the problem", so if we wouldn't or couldn't meet the asking price for Piggott, then money WAS an issue/problem for that particular deal. But if he’d ended up a dud like Hanlan we’d have all been complaining that we’d sunk a load of cash into him. We don’t even know if he’d have been any good in our sh** show of a side. Easy to criticise failing to sign a certain player the season after who has proven to be a success elsewhere. Certainly doesn’t mean we didn’t have the budget to sign him
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 28, 2021 13:27:01 GMT
I was responding to gashead1981 "I don’t believe money to be an issue at all" and olskooltoteender "To be honest I don’t think money is necessarily the problem", so if we wouldn't or couldn't meet the asking price for Piggott, then money WAS an issue/problem for that particular deal. But if he’d ended up a dud like Hanlan we’d have all been complaining that we’d sunk a load of cash into him. We don’t even know if he’d have been any good in our sh** show of a side. Easy to criticise failing to sign a certain player the season after who has proven to be a success elsewhere. Certainly doesn’t mean we didn’t have the budget to sign him Tbf I think we’d be a better side right now with Hanlan in it!
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 28, 2021 14:01:27 GMT
But if he’d ended up a dud like Hanlan we’d have all been complaining that we’d sunk a load of cash into him. We don’t even know if he’d have been any good in our sh** show of a side. Easy to criticise failing to sign a certain player the season after who has proven to be a success elsewhere. Certainly doesn’t mean we didn’t have the budget to sign him Tbf I think we’d be a better side right now with Hanlan in it! Personally I'd bank the £150K and struggle on without him if it was my own money!
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Post by bobbyjones on Nov 28, 2021 15:55:37 GMT
Some sad people out there, are they pirates or wind ups.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Nov 28, 2021 15:55:41 GMT
Yet another reminder yesterday that The New Lawn, for all its innovative Eco friendly ways, is still the worst Away supporter experience in the entire football league. The lack of pubs, places to find food, basic facilities around the stadium for away supporters that you cannot find without the cost of a half hour walk downhill (and back again) Not to mention the horrendous standard of food inside the ground. I don’t mean Vegan before anybody starts, even the chips left much to be desired. See also the sludge that I was told was ‘hot chocolate’.
And then we have the shambles on the terrace itself, covered seating, covered terrace, uncovered terrace? I made my way to the far end at 1:30 as to not encounter all of those coming through the turnstiles, yet nobody seemed to have a clue what their ticket said & where they were supposed to be. No matter how much the young stewards tried. All in all a drab experience in sub zero wind chill & that’s regardless of what did or did not happen on the pitch.
It will be interesting to see how Mr Vince handles this sold out situation when they reach League One & the likes of Sunderland, Ipswich, Derby, Sheff Wed etc…visit Nailsworth every other week and the ‘lively’ fanbases these clubs travel with.
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Post by alanrg on Nov 28, 2021 17:08:21 GMT
One thing for sure Hudson1883 it will be a culture shock for those teams if Forest Green go up understand some Swindon fans complained about the same problems u encounter yesterday Mr Vince reply was thanks for coming
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Nov 28, 2021 17:21:06 GMT
Yet another reminder yesterday that The New Lawn, for all its innovative Eco friendly ways, is still the worst Away supporter experience in the entire football league. The lack of pubs, places to find food, basic facilities around the stadium for away supporters that you cannot find without the cost of a half hour walk downhill (and back again) Not to mention the horrendous standard of food inside the ground. I don’t mean Vegan before anybody starts, even the chips left much to be desired. See also the sludge that I was told was ‘hot chocolate’. And then we have the shambles on the terrace itself, covered seating, covered terrace, uncovered terrace? I made my way to the far end at 1:30 as to not encounter all of those coming through the turnstiles, yet nobody seemed to have a clue what their ticket said & where they were supposed to be. No matter how much the young stewards tried. All in all a drab experience in sub zero wind chill & that’s regardless of what did or did not happen on the pitch. It will be interesting to see how Mr Vince handles this sold out situation when they reach League One & the likes of Sunderland, Ipswich, Derby, Sheff Wed etc…visit Nailsworth every other week and the ‘lively’ fanbases these clubs travel with. No carbon footprint if you provide no facilities. I think that's why planning consent for their new ground seemed to be straightforward*. Annoy everyone - including local residents - & force the councils hand. Reckon we annoyed him with the suggestion of the fruit market site and redeveloping urban land. Just jealous that we could - COULD - have a ground where everyone uses public transport to get to the game rather than drive to somewhere in the middle of nowhere. (*I assume it's going ahead, gone a bit quiet)
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