|
Post by wallywalters on May 17, 2022 15:15:41 GMT
I’d go further than that. I don’t recall seeing a rovers team playing that good football full stop. Our previous decent teams have relied heavily on decent forward partnerships and prolific goalscorers. 90 - white Saunders boris 95 - Stewart Taylor 96 - hayles beadle 99 - roberts cureton 07 - lambert Walker 15 - Taylor Harrison Bodin Might be slightly out with the years there but you see my point. This year has seen a rovers side promoted playing outstanding football across the park and not relying on strikers to get us out the mire. Were you at Oxford that season when we beat them 5-0 at theirs? Roberts was injured and Ellington stood in. The most complete team performance I have witnessed. Add in we were pushing for promotion into what was to become the Championship. Not recovering from relegation under the same manager into L2. It's all about opinions, I guess. Absolutely oldie and I respect yours. Yes I was at that game. I was just trying to say in my opinion those fantastic previous gas teams had a 20 goal a season striker in them and 1/2/3 players that could provide a moment of brilliance to win us a game. This side differs in that we don’t have a 20 goal a season striker but we do have 6/7 players capable of a moment of genius to win us games. Our strongest promotion squad I’ve seen in my opinion
|
|
|
Post by SleepyGas on May 17, 2022 15:20:32 GMT
I’d go further than that. I don’t recall seeing a rovers team playing that good football full stop. Our previous decent teams have relied heavily on decent forward partnerships and prolific goalscorers. 90 - white Saunders boris 95 - Stewart Taylor 96 - hayles beadle 99 - roberts cureton 07 - lambert Walker 15 - Taylor Harrison Bodin Might be slightly out with the years there but you see my point. This year has seen a rovers side promoted playing outstanding football across the park and not relying on strikers to get us out the mire. Were you at Oxford that season when we beat them 5-0 at theirs? Roberts was injured and Ellington stood in. The most complete team performance I have witnessed. Add in we were pushing for promotion into what was to become the Championship. Not recovering from relegation under the same manager into L2. It's all about opinions, I guess. The team 1999/2000 team was probably the best I have witnessed. A team that contained a certain Mark Walters (who I assume left a big enough impact on "Wally" that he chose it as his forum username ) To dismiss it as having relied heavily on Roberts/Cureton is a joke. The wheels only came off when we lost our best midfielders to injury for a start!
|
|
|
Post by SleepyGas on May 17, 2022 15:22:31 GMT
Were you at Oxford that season when we beat them 5-0 at theirs? Roberts was injured and Ellington stood in. The most complete team performance I have witnessed. Add in we were pushing for promotion into what was to become the Championship. Not recovering from relegation under the same manager into L2. It's all about opinions, I guess. Absolutely oldie and I respect yours. Yes I was at that game. I was just trying to say in my opinion those fantastic previous gas teams had a 20 goal a season striker in them and 1/2/3 players that could provide a moment of brilliance to win us a game. This side differs in that we don’t have a 20 goal a season striker but we do have 6/7 players capable of a moment of genius to win us games. Our strongest promotion squad I’ve seen in my opinion So a team that snuck 3rd place on goals scored in the 4th tier was stronger than the one that won the 3rd tier title? OK...
|
|
|
Post by gashead79 on May 17, 2022 15:26:26 GMT
Absolutely oldie and I respect yours. Yes I was at that game. I was just trying to say in my opinion those fantastic previous gas teams had a 20 goal a season striker in them and 1/2/3 players that could provide a moment of brilliance to win us a game. This side differs in that we don’t have a 20 goal a season striker but we do have 6/7 players capable of a moment of genius to win us games. Our strongest promotion squad I’ve seen in my opinion So a team that snuck 3rd place on goals scored in the 4th tier was stronger than the one that won the 3rd tier title? OK... Probably. The game has changed alot in 22 years.
|
|
|
Post by SleepyGas on May 17, 2022 15:33:04 GMT
So a team that snuck 3rd place on goals scored in the 4th tier was stronger than the one that won the 3rd tier title? OK... Probably. The game has changed alot in 22 years. Even longer than that. 1990 was 32 years ago! The back pass rule would be the first thing to cause some confusion..!
|
|
|
Post by wallywalters on May 17, 2022 15:35:58 GMT
Were you at Oxford that season when we beat them 5-0 at theirs? Roberts was injured and Ellington stood in. The most complete team performance I have witnessed. Add in we were pushing for promotion into what was to become the Championship. Not recovering from relegation under the same manager into L2. It's all about opinions, I guess. The team 1999/2000 team was probably the best I have witnessed. A team that contained a certain Mark Walters (who I assume left a big enough impact on "Wally" that he chose it as his forum username ) To dismiss it as having relied heavily on Roberts/Cureton is a joke. The wheels only came off when we lost our best midfielders to injury for a start! The wheels came off when cureton and roberts had their heads turned and as we relied heavily on their goals and the superb wallys assists we struggled and limped to a pathetic finish. Unlike this seasons warriors who when one or 2 were off the boil the other 4 or 5 ballers we had stepped up to the plate.
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on May 17, 2022 15:39:07 GMT
Probably. The game has changed alot in 22 years. Even longer than that. 1990 was 32 years ago! The back pass rule would be the first thing to cause some confusion..! Fair play to JB as it seems even his critics accept he built from scratch this season the best footballing playing team in 32 years!!!
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on May 17, 2022 15:40:58 GMT
The team 1999/2000 team was probably the best I have witnessed. A team that contained a certain Mark Walters (who I assume left a big enough impact on "Wally" that he chose it as his forum username ) To dismiss it as having relied heavily on Roberts/Cureton is a joke. The wheels only came off when we lost our best midfielders to injury for a start! The wheels came off when cureton and roberts had their heads turned and as we relied heavily on their goals and the superb wallys assists we struggled and limped to a pathetic finish. Unlike this seasons warriors who when one or 2 were off the boil the other 4 or 5 ballers we had stepped up to the plate. But the wheels started to come off when Mauge was injured on international duty and we tried to replace him with unproven youngsters, it seems JB chose the right ones, Holloway the wrong options.
|
|
|
Post by SleepyGas on May 17, 2022 15:44:09 GMT
I think dismissing our previous successful squads as relying on “strikers to get us out of the mire” is an awful shout. I’m sure you can find ways to praise JB without belittling previous managers / squads if you really put your mind to it Not dismissing previous squads in the slightest your using your negative take on life to read into a quote to suit your narrative like you did when spewing all your anti Barton crap previously before you were put in your place by the teams success. My misgivings about Barton are primarily driven by the well publicised "off-field" incidents. Something many of our fans seem happy to push to the back of their minds or excuse or even, in some cases, celebrate. The results at the beginning of his tenure were nothing short of pathetic either. So I make no apologies for any "negative takes" I have made on here relating to such things. But to suggest that I was somehow "put in my place by the team's success" is another ridiculous comment I have celebrated the wins as vociferously as I have suffered the losses. Regardless of what I think of the manager. I have supported the team home and away and will continue to do so. I am also happy to admit that the turnaround this season has been nothing short of miraculous. I have enjoyed every bit of this late run into the automatic places and promotion. All credit to the playing squad, backroom staff, owner, executives, fans and anyone else that has played a part in that (Joey included )
|
|
|
Post by wallywalters on May 17, 2022 15:49:46 GMT
The wheels came off when cureton and roberts had their heads turned and as we relied heavily on their goals and the superb wallys assists we struggled and limped to a pathetic finish. Unlike this seasons warriors who when one or 2 were off the boil the other 4 or 5 ballers we had stepped up to the plate. But the wheels started to come off when Mauge was injured on international duty and we tried to replace him with unproven youngsters, it seems JB chose the right ones, Holloway the wrong options. Exactly my point. This is Probably the best rovers squad / team I’ve seen in my lifetime. Trying to compare it to the 98 team who failed to win promotion is a silly argument. As good as Wally roberts and cureton were.
|
|
|
Post by wallywalters on May 17, 2022 15:52:12 GMT
Not dismissing previous squads in the slightest your using your negative take on life to read into a quote to suit your narrative like you did when spewing all your anti Barton crap previously before you were put in your place by the teams success. My misgivings about Barton are primarily driven by the well publicised "off-field" incidents. Something many of our fans seem happy to push to the back of their minds or excuse or even, in some cases, celebrate. The results at the beginning of his tenure were nothing short of pathetic either. So I make no apologies for any "negative takes" I have made on here relating to such things. But to suggest that I was somehow "put in my place by the team's success" is another ridiculous comment I have celebrated the wins as vociferously as I have suffered the losses. Regardless of what I think of the manager. I have supported the team home and away and will continue to do so. I am also happy to admit that the turnaround this season has been nothing short of miraculous. I have enjoyed every bit of this late run into the automatic places and promotion. All credit to the playing squad, backroom staff, owner, executives, fans and anyone else that has played a part in that (Joey included ) Time will tell if Barton can replicate the football played under holloway in league one and better his best finish of 7th. 🙏. Enjoy the close season sleepy.
|
|
|
Post by SleepyGas on May 17, 2022 15:53:46 GMT
Even longer than that. 1990 was 32 years ago! The back pass rule would be the first thing to cause some confusion..! Fair play to JB as it seems even his critics accept he built from scratch this season the best footballing playing team in 32 years!!! LOL. I personally think that the 1999/2000 was the best side that I have watched. DC's squad also worthy of a mention. This one too. The 1990 champions were a bit before my time - but you have to concede that they were the most successful in recent history. A title and a trip to a final in the same season? That has to be a pretty strong side!!!
|
|
|
Post by SleepyGas on May 17, 2022 15:55:16 GMT
My misgivings about Barton are primarily driven by the well publicised "off-field" incidents. Something many of our fans seem happy to push to the back of their minds or excuse or even, in some cases, celebrate. The results at the beginning of his tenure were nothing short of pathetic either. So I make no apologies for any "negative takes" I have made on here relating to such things. But to suggest that I was somehow "put in my place by the team's success" is another ridiculous comment I have celebrated the wins as vociferously as I have suffered the losses. Regardless of what I think of the manager. I have supported the team home and away and will continue to do so. I am also happy to admit that the turnaround this season has been nothing short of miraculous. I have enjoyed every bit of this late run into the automatic places and promotion. All credit to the playing squad, backroom staff, owner, executives, fans and anyone else that has played a part in that (Joey included ) Time will tell if Barton can replicate the football played under holloway in league one and better his best finish of 7th. 🙏. Enjoy the close season sleepy. That would be amazing. Let's hope he can.
|
|
|
Post by gashead79 on May 17, 2022 15:58:00 GMT
Probably. The game has changed alot in 22 years. Even longer than that. 1990 was 32 years ago! The back pass rule would be the first thing to cause some confusion..! Ah yes sorry. It seems the guys you replied to were talking about Ellington etc but you were comparing the 1990 team. In both cases I believe our team from last season would run rings around those guys. Lower level but the game has improved in terms of technicality, fitness and versatility of the players. Today's CBs are more than just a big guy heading a ball and GKs can play bit too.
|
|
|
Post by SleepyGas on May 17, 2022 16:07:13 GMT
Even longer than that. 1990 was 32 years ago! The back pass rule would be the first thing to cause some confusion..! Ah yes sorry. It seems the guys you replied to were talking about Ellington etc but you were comparing the 1990 team. In both cases I believe our team from last season would run rings around those guys. Lower level but the game has improved in terms of technicality, fitness and versatility of the players. Today's CBs are more than just a big guy heading a ball and GKs can play bit too. Well it is a bit futile to compare different eras in that sense. We might as well say that this L2 3rd placed side is stronger than 1970's Brazil
|
|
|
Post by Big Jock on May 17, 2022 16:07:40 GMT
I reckons th folk who don’t really know know more than th folk who think they knows 😃
|
|
|
Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 17, 2022 16:14:39 GMT
Ummm Let's see over the course of a whole season. Barton certainly stopped the rot and our performances were back to L2 average by last Christmas. It was the signing of E Anderson that changed the character of the team, his ability and performance instilling belief amongst the other players. Barton most certainly harnessed that and got us promoted. Ignoring his personal life and history this next season will be fascinating. Back to where we were when he joined us, there will be huge holes in the squad if all the loanees do not return and other key squad players leave. How we go next season will be determined by the recruitment over the next 2 months or so. This is another test for Barton, let's see how he does. Personally I am not going to ignore the downsides based upon half a season and a bit of luck with a loan player. But, obviously, I hope he does really well. We shall see. We saw the full character of the team in the Oxford FA Cup game, Elliot wasn't with us then, and I can assure you that the players had belief long before he arrived. Elliot is an extremely talented player, but please don't try and make out that he's the Messiah.
|
|
|
Post by justin blue on May 17, 2022 17:27:06 GMT
Every promotion team is great. Though you would have to say the 1990 was the greatest achievement because they were Champions and they took us into the championship. Who knows how far Francis could have taken us given the right backing.
|
|
|
Post by oldie on May 17, 2022 17:40:03 GMT
Ummm Let's see over the course of a whole season. Barton certainly stopped the rot and our performances were back to L2 average by last Christmas. It was the signing of E Anderson that changed the character of the team, his ability and performance instilling belief amongst the other players. Barton most certainly harnessed that and got us promoted. Ignoring his personal life and history this next season will be fascinating. Back to where we were when he joined us, there will be huge holes in the squad if all the loanees do not return and other key squad players leave. How we go next season will be determined by the recruitment over the next 2 months or so. This is another test for Barton, let's see how he does. Personally I am not going to ignore the downsides based upon half a season and a bit of luck with a loan player. But, obviously, I hope he does really well. We shall see. We saw the full character of the team in the Oxford FA Cup game, Elliot wasn't with us then, and I can assure you that the players had belief long before he arrived. Elliot is an extremely talented player, but please don't try and make out that he's the Messiah. What was our league position when he joined? What was our league position after his 21 games for us. That's the telling statistic. Personally I don't think we would have gone up without him. But, that's just my view, we cannot prove a negative. What we can do is enjoy the season just gone and look forward to the next. But with eyes wide open.
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on May 17, 2022 18:23:46 GMT
JB signed EA it's not like Newcastle sent him to us without any input from the club, who's to say JB can't unearth another similar gem next season (it could well be easier as I'd imagine clubs will now be queueing up to send their youngsters to us which is some turnaround), the likes of Belshaw Taylor, Connolly, Evans and Collins also all played their parts.
|
|