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Post by Topper Gas on May 20, 2022 20:23:37 GMT
The statement by JB suggests he isn't going to let that detract from our business though? That's how I take it anyway. I don't think Rovers have the financial flexibility to wait for him to decide. We need to sign players who want to be here soonest to be able to prepare etc. Like when we signed Anderson I expect us to be doing business long after pre-season so we have the excuse of players not having a proper preseason or JB's learnt from last season that he needs a good pre-season if we're going to make a good start.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 20, 2022 20:29:57 GMT
I recommended Ollie as a 7 year old, Southampton and 82 ers wanted him, he is a talented and dedicated pro, who has spent ages in the gym to be physically stronger, he will have the last laugh, gutted for him he and his family are lovely people. I know Southampton offered Tovers a fee for Phillips before he committed himself his home City club but the short term fix and brief was promotion at first time of asking and the development squad was ended as was Chris Hargreaves role. The pathway from youth under 18s to first team has been brokenLuca Hoole is the exception and as previous posts have said Greenslade and Egan both have major obstacles to overcome to enable them to get into the squad. Hulbert, Phillips Mehew, Tomlinson Martinez have all become victims of pre Barton group and that must be disappointing for them and current academy players who are being sold a dream. How many players made the move from Development Squad to the first team player, the only one I can recall was Micheal Kelly but he never made it as a first team regular, Hoole must be the first Academy player to make the grade for years perhaps JB's keeping the dream alive, not that you'll give him any credit for doing it.
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Post by dudelebowski on May 20, 2022 20:37:12 GMT
If they’re not good enough, they’re not good enough. Will let those with the experience/qualification make that call.
I swear some of fanbase romanticise over a Rovers XI made up entirely of academy graduates, even if it landed us back in the depths of the 4th tier.
Ward, Kilgour & Hoole leading the way in the first team squad currently. Who will prove they’re up to the grade next and establish themselves?
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Post by wertongas on May 20, 2022 20:56:07 GMT
with us releasing so many midfield players, hopefully that will give room for us to sign Callum Camps, would love to see him playing alongside Evans, with Coutts and Finley would make up a very strong midfield .
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Post by mftc on May 21, 2022 8:30:26 GMT
I know Southampton offered Tovers a fee for Phillips before he committed himself his home City club but the short term fix and brief was promotion at first time of asking and the development squad was ended as was Chris Hargreaves role. The pathway from youth under 18s to first team has been brokenLuca Hoole is the exception and as previous posts have said Greenslade and Egan both have major obstacles to overcome to enable them to get into the squad. Hulbert, Phillips Mehew, Tomlinson Martinez have all become victims of pre Barton group and that must be disappointing for them and current academy players who are being sold a dream. How many players made the move from Development Squad to the first team player, the only one I can recall was Micheal Kelly but he never made it as a first team regular, Hoole must be the first Academy player to make the grade for years perhaps JB's keeping the dream alive, not that you'll give him any credit for doing it. Quite a few played for the first team but not anything substantial apart from Alfie. Of the top of my head the others included Meyanese (we did sell him - not sure what price), Hargreaves, Kelly, Dunwald, Andre Jnr think there may have been at least one more. (I wouldn't count Telford as he was on loan). Not sure if Mehew, Tomlinson, Ward, Philips, Walker etc count as they came through the youth system but they all played at least in the EFL trophy. If they are not on loan, I would expect Egan, Ward, Jones and Greenslade to play in the cups/trophy next season, together with Saunders. I think Heal is not 100% fit so unable to find a new club and therefore the club have to extend his contract similarly to Thomas, Virgo and Bevan. Although not many long term successes or large transfer fees received, I think it would surprise many people how many youngsters have come through the ranks to at least play one first team game (including EFL trophy and equivalent) I would guess over 75 since we have been at the Mem. C'mon Mike go and name them! Ps I heard Lita was spotted by us after being released as a kid, played in one of our development training match and City scouts were there and then they tripled our offer and off he went.
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Post by mftc on May 21, 2022 8:32:06 GMT
Connor Jones
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Post by blueyonder on May 21, 2022 8:42:44 GMT
How many players made the move from Development Squad to the first team player, the only one I can recall was Micheal Kelly but he never made it as a first team regular, Hoole must be the first Academy player to make the grade for years perhaps JB's keeping the dream alive, not that you'll give him any credit for doing it. Quite a few played for the first team but not anything substantial apart from Alfie. Of the top of my head the others included Meyanese (we did sell him - not sure what price), Hargreaves, Kelly, Dunwald, Andre Jnr think there may have been at least one more. (I wouldn't count Telford as he was on loan). Not sure if Mehew, Tomlinson, Ward, Philips, Walker etc count as they came through the youth system but they all played at least in the EFL trophy. If they are not on loan, I would expect Egan, Ward, Jones and Greenslade to play in the cups/trophy next season, together with Saunders. I think Heal is not 100% fit so unable to find a new club and therefore the club have to extend his contract similarly to Thomas, Virgo and Bevan. Although not many long term successes or large transfer fees received, I think it would surprise many people how many youngsters have come through the ranks to at least play one first team game (including EFL trophy and equivalent) I would guess over 75 since we have been at the Mem. C'mon Mike go and name them! Ps I heard Lita was spotted by us after being released as a kid, played in one of our development training match and City scouts were there and then they tripled our offer and off he went. Luke Russe played 8 matches, before going to Chippenham Town.
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Post by Gastafari on May 21, 2022 9:05:40 GMT
Rovers have Luca Hoole and Alfie Kilgour in the 1st team squad, Jed Ward is also highly thought off.
Sentiment is all good and well, but the youngsters also have to be good enough. Phillips and Hulbert didn't pull up any trees in their loan spells.
Even the 2 best clubs in the country right now, Man City and Liverpool only have the 1 academy graduate each, who are 1st team regulars in Phil Foden and TAA respectively.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 21, 2022 9:20:12 GMT
Switches off far too much for someone on the back line. Guilty of ball watching too often as well. Its a shame as there was high hopes for him as a football-playing defender when he first joined He did switch off now and again but I also think we was unlucky. I thought he’d got his place before the January window but Connolly and Taylor developed a great partnership. He was unlucky because when he made a mistake the opposition usually scored. When Taylor and Connolly made a mistake either Belshaw made a save to avoid conceding or when they did score we would come back and equalise or win, like at Rochdale. Its always easier if you make mistakes in a winning team! Good luck to him. UTG! I don't entirely agree with that as Connor taylor was immense all through the season, even when we were not playing well and losing. I believe if you are a good player you will stand out even in a bad side. Harries seems a nice lad but didnt cut the mustard
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Post by yattongas on May 21, 2022 9:40:38 GMT
He did switch off now and again but I also think we was unlucky. I thought he’d got his place before the January window but Connolly and Taylor developed a great partnership. He was unlucky because when he made a mistake the opposition usually scored. When Taylor and Connolly made a mistake either Belshaw made a save to avoid conceding or when they did score we would come back and equalise or win, like at Rochdale. Its always easier if you make mistakes in a winning team! Good luck to him. UTG! I don't entirely agree with that as Connor taylor was immense all through the season, even when we were not playing well and losing. I believe if you are a good player you will stand out even in a bad side. Harries seems a nice lad but didnt cut the mustard Spot on , Connor was leaps & bounds better than Harries and he stood out even when we were struggling.
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Post by warehamgas on May 21, 2022 14:00:08 GMT
He did switch off now and again but I also think we was unlucky. I thought he’d got his place before the January window but Connolly and Taylor developed a great partnership. He was unlucky because when he made a mistake the opposition usually scored. When Taylor and Connolly made a mistake either Belshaw made a save to avoid conceding or when they did score we would come back and equalise or win, like at Rochdale. Its always easier if you make mistakes in a winning team! Good luck to him. UTG! I don't entirely agree with that as Connor taylor was immense all through the season, even when we were not playing well and losing. I believe if you are a good player you will stand out even in a bad side. Harries seems a nice lad but didnt cut the mustard Well, I don’t disagree about Taylor but when he was caught out, not often, Belshaw did make saves and as at Rochdale we went on to win. But when Harries made a mistake, at Oldham for example, they scored. So I still think he was a tad unlucky but that’s football. And in the end Taylor and Connolly proved better. Trouble is neither are our players! UTG!
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 21, 2022 14:57:43 GMT
I don't entirely agree with that as Connor taylor was immense all through the season, even when we were not playing well and losing. I believe if you are a good player you will stand out even in a bad side. Harries seems a nice lad but didnt cut the mustard Well, I don’t disagree about Taylor but when he was caught out, not often, Belshaw did make saves and as at Rochdale we went on to win. But when Harries made a mistake, at Oldham for example, they scored. So I still think he was a tad unlucky but that’s football. And in the end Taylor and Connolly proved better. Trouble is neither are our players! UTG! Yes it will be hard to replace those two CB's if we cant get them back. I'm not sure Harries or even Alfie are the answer though, especially a league higher. Harries played like his feet were in cement vs Oldham, it didnt surprise me he didnt get a look-in after that, not that he would anyway with the performances of Taylor and Connelly.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 21, 2022 15:14:42 GMT
How many players made the move from Development Squad to the first team player, the only one I can recall was Micheal Kelly but he never made it as a first team regular, Hoole must be the first Academy player to make the grade for years perhaps JB's keeping the dream alive, not that you'll give him any credit for doing it. Quite a few played for the first team but not anything substantial apart from Alfie. Of the top of my head the others included Meyanese (we did sell him - not sure what price), Hargreaves, Kelly, Dunwald, Andre Jnr think there may have been at least one more. (I wouldn't count Telford as he was on loan). Not sure if Mehew, Tomlinson, Ward, Philips, Walker etc count as they came through the youth system but they all played at least in the EFL trophy. If they are not on loan, I would expect Egan, Ward, Jones and Greenslade to play in the cups/trophy next season, together with Saunders. I think Heal is not 100% fit so unable to find a new club and therefore the club have to extend his contract similarly to Thomas, Virgo and Bevan. Although not many long term successes or large transfer fees received, I think it would surprise many people how many youngsters have come through the ranks to at least play one first team game (including EFL trophy and equivalent) I would guess over 75 since we have been at the Mem. C'mon Mike go and name them! Ps I heard Lita was spotted by us after being released as a kid, played in one of our development training match and City scouts were there and then they tripled our offer and off he went. Apart from Meyanese all those players mentioned are ex Academy players rather than players just recruited for the Development Squad, there's no reason why Academy players cannot still progress under JB, Ward and Hoole are showing that's possible.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 23, 2022 18:53:24 GMT
Can anybody understand how Rodman bagged a two year contract last summer?
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Post by Squiffy on May 23, 2022 18:55:43 GMT
Can anybody understand how Rodman bagged a two year contract last summer? Typo? 😂
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 23, 2022 19:10:25 GMT
Can anybody understand how Rodman bagged a two year contract last summer? Maybe he didn’t? Players renegotiate contracts at various times, it’s not all done in May/June.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 23, 2022 19:56:44 GMT
Can anybody understand how Rodman bagged a two year contract last summer? Maybe he didn’t? Players renegotiate contracts at various times, it’s not all done in May/June. Does it matter when he bagged it, the fact that he got such an extended contract is the issue, we could now well start next season with Jaakola, Rodman and Westbrooke all still at the club on decent L1 contracts.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 23, 2022 20:07:57 GMT
Maybe he didn’t? Players renegotiate contracts at various times, it’s not all done in May/June. Does it matter when he bagged it, the fact that he got such an extended contract is the issue, we could now well start next season with Jaakola, Rodman and Westbrooke all still at the club on decent L1 contracts. I think that Jaakola has an option for a third season, it will depend whether there are clauses in his contract regarding appearances this season linking to what he will be paid if the option is take up. I presume that there would have been a relegation clause in Westbrooke's original contract, but I suppose that he'll get an increase because of promotion - it would be best if the club could come to an agreement to pay him off.
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Post by pudseygas on May 23, 2022 20:11:38 GMT
How's Ryan Jones development going? Meant to be well thought after when he signed, think he has 1 year left
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Post by pucklegas on May 23, 2022 20:38:27 GMT
Can anybody understand how Rodman bagged a two year contract last summer? Tillys thighs was there on work experience 😂😂😂😂
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