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Post by gashead79 on May 24, 2022 6:14:16 GMT
Rovers have Luca Hoole and Alfie Kilgour in the 1st team squad, Jed Ward is also highly thought off. Sentiment is all good and well, but the youngsters also have to be good enough. Phillips and Hulbert didn't pull up any trees in their loan spells. Even the 2 best clubs in the country right now, Man City and Liverpool only have the 1 academy graduate each, who are 1st team regulars in Phil Foden and TAA respectively. This is referring to sentiment only I assume? Since I'm not sure there is any value in making comparison between our academy and one of the best, most expensive academies in the world. Man city have pumped out lots and lots of top players. I also don't think the man city fanbase would care too much about youth coming through since they can afford to buy who they want.
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Post by peterparker on May 24, 2022 7:32:11 GMT
Rovers have Luca Hoole and Alfie Kilgour in the 1st team squad, Jed Ward is also highly thought off. Sentiment is all good and well, but the youngsters also have to be good enough. Phillips and Hulbert didn't pull up any trees in their loan spells. Even the 2 best clubs in the country right now, Man City and Liverpool only have the 1 academy graduate each, who are 1st team regulars in Phil Foden and TAA respectively. I don't know whether Phillips or Hulbert are good enough, especially as we move up to League One and you can't keep everyone, but I would like to know what you mean by not pulling up any trees? What would you consider pulling up trees? Phillips scored 17 goals in 30(3) appearance for Swindon Supermarine. Seems a pretty decent record to me. Whether the Southern Prem was a sufficient level for him to prove his worth to Rovers i don't know, but again can only play what is in front of you. I watched Ollie Clarke play the same level at Mangotsfield and he was miles better than anything on the pitch. Again hard to judge whether he was good enough to step up at the time, but he obviously did and has made a career. best of luck to all the lads that are released and I hope some can work there way back up the leagues
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Post by mftc on May 25, 2022 6:56:02 GMT
Yeah and just imagine if Ollie Clarke never had those injuries early in his career.
Probably 20-30 years ago they could have been career ending (Wayne Jones etc).
Losing a yard of pace could well have been the difference of being a championship player or league 2.
Fine margins.
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Post by Blackbeard on May 25, 2022 10:45:01 GMT
Rovers have Luca Hoole and Alfie Kilgour in the 1st team squad, Jed Ward is also highly thought off. Sentiment is all good and well, but the youngsters also have to be good enough. Phillips and Hulbert didn't pull up any trees in their loan spells. Even the 2 best clubs in the country right now, Man City and Liverpool only have the 1 academy graduate each, who are 1st team regulars in Phil Foden and TAA respectively. Can’t speak for Hulbert but I followed Phillips at Supermarine he netted 17 in 27 starts At that level he’s going to score 28 goals per season at a higher level he would get better service, he’s still only 19, rovers turned down 100k for him 3 years ago from Soton and now we let him go for nothing I’ll say it again, the Gas have missed a trick . This whole group in this age bracket have been screwed by covid , 4 managers and so much more upheaval crying shame for them all
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 25, 2022 11:08:05 GMT
Rovers have Luca Hoole and Alfie Kilgour in the 1st team squad, Jed Ward is also highly thought off. Sentiment is all good and well, but the youngsters also have to be good enough. Phillips and Hulbert didn't pull up any trees in their loan spells. Even the 2 best clubs in the country right now, Man City and Liverpool only have the 1 academy graduate each, who are 1st team regulars in Phil Foden and TAA respectively. Can’t speak for Hulbert but I followed Phillips at Supermarine he netted 17 in 27 starts At that level he’s going to score 28 goals per season at a higher level he would get better service, he’s still only 19, rovers turned down 100k for him 3 years ago from Soton and now we let him go for nothing I’ll say it again, the Gas have missed a trick . This whole group in this age bracket have been screwed by covid , 4 managers and so much more upheaval crying shame for them all People make judgements and his release may be right, maybe wrong. Just because Southampton made a 100k bid is no guarantee of success and for a premiership side is a little side bet. I hope he does succeed, but let’s not criticise the club for tough decisions.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on May 25, 2022 12:51:40 GMT
Rovers have Luca Hoole and Alfie Kilgour in the 1st team squad, Jed Ward is also highly thought off. Sentiment is all good and well, but the youngsters also have to be good enough. Phillips and Hulbert didn't pull up any trees in their loan spells. Even the 2 best clubs in the country right now, Man City and Liverpool only have the 1 academy graduate each, who are 1st team regulars in Phil Foden and TAA respectively. Can’t speak for Hulbert but I followed Phillips at Supermarine he netted 17 in 27 starts At that level he’s going to score 28 goals per season at a higher level he would get better service, he’s still only 19, rovers turned down 100k for him 3 years ago from Soton and now we let him go for nothing I’ll say it again, the Gas have missed a trick . This whole group in this age bracket have been screwed by covid , 4 managers and so much more upheaval crying shame for them all Hulbert got 9 in 32 for Gloucester in tier 6, I think, so a league above Phillips and in a struggling team. I think they are both possibly a bit unfortunate not to be kept on but maybe our promotion to league 1 didn’t help them in that regard. Hope they can go on and make a career for themselves.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 14:47:33 GMT
Unfortunately for Hulbert and Phillips, wrong place wrong time. We have a habit of bring forward Defenders from the academy / reserves and buying in attacking players.
I'm sure its not the players ability, it can only be financial. We cant continue to be giving out contracts like we used to with no guarantee of first team football.
Another reason to do a Brentford.
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Post by kampucheagas on May 25, 2022 15:27:04 GMT
Unfortunately for Hulbert and Phillips, wrong place wrong time. We have a habit of bring forward Defenders from the academy / reserves and buying in attacking players. I'm sure its not the players ability, it can only be financial. We cant continue to be giving out contracts like we used to with no guarantee of first team football. Another reason to do a Brentford. In my mind you need to start the season with 4 strikers We got lucky last season because without Collins we had no real plan B Pitman, Clarke and to an extent Loft were not like for like swaps, and as such we relied on the 1 up front which worked because A) Collins found his shooting boots B) Collins didn’t get injured C) we had goals from midfield I’d argue someone like Philips should be nurtured and seen as striker No 4. He was apparently quick and had an eye for goal. In some games that is the striker you need as a sub when your main man is being subdued or heaven forbid out long term injured. I hope Barton is aiming to bring in 2 more strikers, not sure Loft will cut it but would love to be proven wrong. Hope the lads we let go don’t let their heads drop and can re-ignite their careers somewhere. UTG
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Post by Gaswood on May 25, 2022 22:49:02 GMT
Aaron Collins, Ryan Loft, Harvey Saunders, Jarmani Langlais, Harvey Greenslade are the current 3 main options and 2 youth options unless I’ve confused anyone else being released or signed? I’d guess we’re looking for another in to replace Leon Clarke at least, which gives 4 first team “proper” and 2 youth.
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Post by richie on May 26, 2022 6:59:48 GMT
Aaron Collins, Ryan Loft, Harvey Saunders, Jarmani Langlais, Harvey Greenslade are the current 3 main options and 2 youth options unless I’ve confused anyone else being released or signed? I’d guess we’re looking for another in to replace Leon Clarke at least, which gives 4 first team “proper” and 2 youth. That’s not strong enough, I think we need 2 top drawer forwards with that lot. Especially as Saunders is more impact/versatile. To be honest I think he’d benefit from a loan.
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