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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 7, 2015 10:53:13 GMT
I can't see how JMW's playing record can be written off a 'little to inspire'. 3OO games as a professional, from a teenager. Circa 3O games a season for 9 years running, nearly all at Lge 1 or SPL level. The lad will clearly never make it as a footballer.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 7, 2015 10:55:58 GMT
a trialist is surely a player who cant automatically get a contract at rovers level for various reasons but who the manager considers is worth looking at for a bit? nothing wrong with this for me especially as we have already signed 3 players that dc believes will improve the team/squad,,,we might find a gem at lower cost from such a player stop being so sensible! If we don't burn them now what the hell are we going to do with those 3 wicker men we bought!?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 13:15:43 GMT
I am ambivalent to him and await to get the miraculous conversion that the majority have undergone on here.At present he is an unproven quantity as a football league manager Correct of course. he's only had 8 games as FL manager. But the absence of evidence at that level isn't the evidence of absence. So, what does a non-lge manager do, on a day-to-day basis at a Full-time club? [DC has 3 promotions in 4 seasons, all with FT clubs] Look for players? Check Trial, loan and evaluate players? Check Sign players? Check Juggle / balance budgets? Check Manage players on a day-to-day? Check Try to help / manage any problems / gripes they have? Check Decide tactics? Check Take charge on match day? Check Research the opposition? Check Motivation / psychology? Check Make decisions on players when out of contract? Check Manage fitness regimes and physios? Check Deal with your Board of Directors? Check Deal with the press? Check Manage a relationship with your fans? Check Liaise with agents? Check Deal with pressure? Check Manage injuries, suspensions, loss of form,etc? Check Manage your own back room staff? Check Set an ethos for your work? Check How different is any of that to managing 1 lge higher? He's had promotions at Level 5, 6 & 7. I take that as a positive. You seem to take it as a negative. Football is all about opinions you have yours I have mine,we can all make lists of plus and minus at the end of the day they mean diddly squat,you can make a case either way and at this moment in time I am undecided as to whether he will succeed or not,its just that I am not overly impressed with the going back to his old clubs players,rather than expand his horizons
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 13:55:34 GMT
Correct of course. he's only had 8 games as FL manager. But the absence of evidence at that level isn't the evidence of absence. So, what does a non-lge manager do, on a day-to-day basis at a Full-time club? [DC has 3 promotions in 4 seasons, all with FT clubs] Look for players? Check Trial, loan and evaluate players? Check Sign players? Check Juggle / balance budgets? Check Manage players on a day-to-day? Check Try to help / manage any problems / gripes they have? Check Decide tactics? Check Take charge on match day? Check Research the opposition? Check Motivation / psychology? Check Make decisions on players when out of contract? Check Manage fitness regimes and physios? Check Deal with your Board of Directors? Check Deal with the press? Check Manage a relationship with your fans? Check Liaise with agents? Check Deal with pressure? Check Manage injuries, suspensions, loss of form,etc? Check Manage your own back room staff? Check Set an ethos for your work? Check How different is any of that to managing 1 lge higher? He's had promotions at Level 5, 6 & 7. I take that as a positive. You seem to take it as a negative. Football is all about opinions you have yours I have mine,we can all make lists of plus and minus at the end of the day they mean diddly squat,you can make a case either way and at this moment in time I am undecided as to whether he will succeed or not,its just that I am not overly impressed with the going back to his old clubs players,rather than expand his horizons well we have had quite a few proven football league managers havnt we? ive got a feeling our club have only ever been promoted with unproven league managers?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 7, 2015 15:07:06 GMT
Correct of course. he's only had 8 games as FL manager. But the absence of evidence at that level isn't the evidence of absence. So, what does a non-lge manager do, on a day-to-day basis at a Full-time club? [DC has 3 promotions in 4 seasons, all with FT clubs] Look for players? Check Trial, loan and evaluate players? Check Sign players? Check Juggle / balance budgets? Check Manage players on a day-to-day? Check Try to help / manage any problems / gripes they have? Check Decide tactics? Check Take charge on match day? Check Research the opposition? Check Motivation / psychology? Check Make decisions on players when out of contract? Check Manage fitness regimes and physios? Check Deal with your Board of Directors? Check Deal with the press? Check Manage a relationship with your fans? Check Liaise with agents? Check Deal with pressure? Check Manage injuries, suspensions, loss of form,etc? Check Manage your own back room staff? Check Set an ethos for your work? Check How different is any of that to managing 1 lge higher? He's had promotions at Level 5, 6 & 7. I take that as a positive. You seem to take it as a negative. Football is all about opinions you have yours I have mine,we can all make lists of plus and minus at the end of the day they mean diddly squat,you can make a case either way and at this moment in time I am undecided as to whether he will succeed or not,its just that I am not overly impressed with the going back to his old clubs players,rather than expand his horizons I agree that DC needs more seasons as manager to show if he can sustain success and at a higher level, but I am happy with him so far and won't hold the relegation season against him. As for getting players from his old club, this isn't anything new. How many Rovers players did Francis sign for QPR and how many QPR players did we sign in return? It seems poor as we are not used to non league teams. Padstow - would you feel the same if it were L2 to L1 and not from the Conference?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 7, 2015 15:29:07 GMT
His anybody complaining about DC signing Monkhouse, Sinclair & Puddy?? Or would they he sooner sign the likes the of Beardsley?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 15:52:01 GMT
Monkhouse I have no problem with.puddy I have misgivings about.Sinclair not sure if his all action style will succeed against the more seasoned and experienced players he will come up against next season. One question I have is there are currently 2 keepers at the club under contract.why is there a need for. another and if there is who is going to leave to make way for him and how much is it going to cost to offload him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 16:26:50 GMT
a trialist is surely a player who cant automatically get a contract at rovers level for various reasons but who the manager considers is worth looking at for a bit? nothing wrong with this for me especially as we have already signed 3 players that dc believes will improve the team/squad,,,we might find a gem at lower cost from such a player That is how I feel,the more players on trail the better the chance of finding what you're looking for,the ones who do not meet the standard are just let go,and like you say we may find just what we need at a much lower cost
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jul 7, 2015 16:41:29 GMT
Monkhouse was a model pro, great in the dressing room, scored goals, got assists, worked hard, and was technically one of the best in the squad last season. Just saying Fair enough. I don't think he is worthy of the smoke getting blown up his hoop by some. He was employed as a wide attacking player. Had no pace, went missing for long periods, couldn't beat a player, couldn't shoot and he is old.Some of these lads have got inflated reputations due to the opposition last season, most of them are league players so it is a false reading imo. To say he's got more in his toe than they have combined is a little ott. Yet still played every (or near enough every?) game for us last season in a promotion winning side? Not bad. I don't agree that he went missing for long periods and couldn't shoot. I also don't see how him being slow and not being able to beat a player is a bad thing, as teams need to be balanced and have a mixture to be successful. The blend worked with him in the side and his partnership down the left with Brown was a key part in our success. If Monkhouse was a marauding out-and-out winger then that partnership would have been very different, and perhaps not as effective. Plus, if he had pace and could beat a man then he'd be in League One or the Championship I reckon. No winger will score 10 goals for us next season - called it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 16:57:57 GMT
Fair enough. I don't think he is worthy of the smoke getting blown up his hoop by some. He was employed as a wide attacking player. Had no pace, went missing for long periods, couldn't beat a player, couldn't shoot and he is old.Some of these lads have got inflated reputations due to the opposition last season, most of them are league players so it is a false reading imo. To say he's got more in his toe than they have combined is a little ott. Yet still played every (or near enough every?) game for us last season in a promotion winning side? Not bad. I don't agree that he went missing for long periods and couldn't shoot. I also don't see how him being slow and not being able to beat a player is a bad thing, as teams need to be balanced and have a mixture to be successful. The blend worked with him in the side and his partnership down the left with Brown was a key part in our success. If Monkhouse was a marauding out-and-out winger then that partnership would have been very different, and perhaps not as effective. Plus, if he had pace and could beat a man then he'd be in League One or the Championship I reckon. No winger will score 10 goals for us next season - called it. We have different views mate and that's fine. If he was that we'll regarded by those that count, he wouldn't have left. Also if that left side was so effective, why is DC looking at proper wingers instead of a like for like? Seems it's just me on here that considers our opposition for the majority of last season. Our players were mainly lg standard, full time pros. We should have good stats and done well, which we did. That imo over values our players because they were mismatched most of the time. Our left side would get absolutely tortured against better opponents because AM offers such little threat going forwards that a RW could just cheat all game! Not only that but LB is average too. IMO. All well and good against Welling and Alfreton though.
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Post by DTGas on Jul 7, 2015 17:11:55 GMT
Yet still played every (or near enough every?) game for us last season in a promotion winning side? Not bad. I don't agree that he went missing for long periods and couldn't shoot. I also don't see how him being slow and not being able to beat a player is a bad thing, as teams need to be balanced and have a mixture to be successful. The blend worked with him in the side and his partnership down the left with Brown was a key part in our success. If Monkhouse was a marauding out-and-out winger then that partnership would have been very different, and perhaps not as effective. Plus, if he had pace and could beat a man then he'd be in League One or the Championship I reckon. No winger will score 10 goals for us next season - called it. We have different views mate and that's fine. If he was that we'll regarded by those that count, he wouldn't have left. Also if that left side was so effective, why is DC looking at proper wingers instead of a like for like? Seems it's just me on here that considers our opposition for the majority of last season. Our players were mainly lg standard, full time pros. We should have good stats and done well, which we did. That imo over values our players because they were mismatched most of the time. Our left side would get absolutely tortured against better opponents because AM offers such little threat going forwards that a RW could just cheat all game! Not only that but LB is average too. IMO. All well and good against Welling and Alfreton though. I'd be interested to hear your reasoning behind your views of LB being average?! He's had the most assists for us in the last two seasons (including 9 in our relegation year when none of our strikers could hit a barn door!) He's always willing to push forward on the overlap and rarely gets beat by his winger. One of the most consistent performers for us for years. If he's average then God help us!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 18:26:57 GMT
I don't rate him as highly as you. I've mentioned stats so... We had so much chopping and changing through midfield that year that any regulars will accrue assists. His constant overlap last year was mainly due to AM being a yard off and otherwise unable to beat his man anyway. I do like attacking fullbacks but let's be honest here, LB is no whippet. DC has got rid and we will see no like for like replacement. You do the math. If I was a RM, Monky is a player I'd want to face because pace out wide hurts.
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Post by rambo on Jul 7, 2015 18:31:38 GMT
Have to agree actually with 79 re Monkhouse in that I don't quite get the love in.
Don't get me wrong, I am gutted he didn't sign as I think he would've been a good asset in the side and it's another body to replace in the squad (which is a risk as could turn out to be sh**e.) But he did go missing, he was slow, he couldn't beat a man etc. Ok he had other skills which I appreciate and were needed throughout the season and he was massive in our promotion push but he's a fairly average league 2 player imo.
Worth a 'oh, shame he didn't sign' sort of thing but not the overreaction some are giving (imo) on here.
I think DC probably felt similar as surely the fact that he didn't offer him a good enough deal to stay speaks volumes? Whether it was length of contract or wages, DC obviously didn't value him enough to be a must keep as most on here do.
Time will tell how much he'll be missed - I think Brown is almost as vital to our left sided attack as Monkhouse was.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jul 7, 2015 18:44:57 GMT
All these polarised opinions of players depend on your view of the conference as a league. Quite a few posters seem to think it is a much lower standard of football and yet....
We were the first team for 10 years to go straight back up
In the last 10 years, none of the 20 teams promoted to the league went down in their first season (back) in league 2, and 4 went on to back to back promotions.
I've seen it written that we got lucky, it was a poor division last season etc.
Well, I don't think there is any reason to think the conference was a dramatically different standard than normal last season. I think we did bloody well to get out of it. We also lost a vital player at a crucial time (Sinclair) and saw two strikers blossom in the second half of the season. Both of these guys are capable of better things, especially Ellis, who could be anything, to use horse-racing parlance. Add to that the fact that Easter got crocked early on and that we'll have Lines for the full season and you have genuine reasons to believe we can do something this season. Defence is solid, with Parkes, Brown, Locks and Leads all having youth on their side to find further improvement and confidence. My biggest area of concern, aside from needing another winger/wide midfielder is goalkeeper. Unless he has an injury we don't know about I would put faith in Mildy over Puddy, but neither fill me with confidence against physical sides, of which there are a lot in league 2. I can see why DC is still on the look out, as it could be vital to our fortunes this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 18:46:07 GMT
We've got some interesting wingers in training now so onwards and hopefully upwards. Pace is important out there. It forces teams to defend rather than speculate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:11:46 GMT
Fair enough. I don't think he is worthy of the smoke getting blown up his hoop by some. He was employed as a wide attacking player. Had no pace, went missing for long periods, couldn't beat a player, couldn't shoot and he is old.Some of these lads have got inflated reputations due to the opposition last season, most of them are league players so it is a false reading imo. To say he's got more in his toe than they have combined is a little ott. Yet still played every (or near enough every?) game for us last season in a promotion winning side? Not bad. I don't agree that he went missing for long periods and couldn't shoot. I also don't see how him being slow and not being able to beat a player is a bad thing, as teams need to be balanced and have a mixture to be successful. The blend worked with him in the side and his partnership down the left with Brown was a key part in our success. If Monkhouse was a marauding out-and-out winger then that partnership would have been very different, and perhaps not as effective. Plus, if he had pace and could beat a man then he'd be in League One or the Championship I reckon. No winger will score 10 goals for us next season - called it. put your money where your mouth is FFS.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 7, 2015 20:14:19 GMT
Yet still played every (or near enough every?) game for us last season in a promotion winning side? Not bad. I don't agree that he went missing for long periods and couldn't shoot. I also don't see how him being slow and not being able to beat a player is a bad thing, as teams need to be balanced and have a mixture to be successful. The blend worked with him in the side and his partnership down the left with Brown was a key part in our success. If Monkhouse was a marauding out-and-out winger then that partnership would have been very different, and perhaps not as effective. Plus, if he had pace and could beat a man then he'd be in League One or the Championship I reckon. No winger will score 10 goals for us next season - called it. We have different views mate and that's fine. If he was that we'll regarded by those that count, he wouldn't have left. Also if that left side was so effective, why is DC looking at proper wingers instead of a like for like? Seems it's just me on here that considers our opposition for the majority of last season. Our players were mainly lg standard, full time pros. We should have good stats and done well, which we did. That imo over values our players because they were mismatched most of the time. Our left side would get absolutely tortured against better opponents because AM offers such little threat going forwards that a RW could just cheat all game! Not only that but LB is average too. IMO. All well and good against Welling and Alfreton though. How can an England C international be only average? You're either a WUM or just bitter and twisted about the club with your constant negative posts. Do you actually ever post anything positive about the team?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 20:35:18 GMT
We have different views mate and that's fine. If he was that we'll regarded by those that count, he wouldn't have left. Also if that left side was so effective, why is DC looking at proper wingers instead of a like for like? Seems it's just me on here that considers our opposition for the majority of last season. Our players were mainly lg standard, full time pros. We should have good stats and done well, which we did. That imo over values our players because they were mismatched most of the time. Our left side would get absolutely tortured against better opponents because AM offers such little threat going forwards that a RW could just cheat all game! Not only that but LB is average too. IMO. All well and good against Welling and Alfreton though. How can an England C international be only average? You're either a WUM or just bitter and twisted about the club with your constant negative posts. Do you actually ever post anything positive about the team? Lol. England C, fair play to him. I do post positively, often when people go uber negative about a game we didn't win..... Why can't people see things alternatively on here anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 20:54:09 GMT
Had to Google England C just to make sure. As I thought, it's the non league set-up. Jeez. So yeah, fair play to him, but come on! Some of those lads are from conf north and south ffs. Maybe Buckle was right?
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Post by UpTheGas on Jul 7, 2015 20:55:38 GMT
To be fair, I don't often agree with Gashead79's opinions, but I'm kind of with him on Lee Brown. He isn't the top footballer he is often made out to be by some on here.
People, understandably, think highly of him given the loyalty he showed after our relegation last year, but as a player he isn't all that - he often bottles 50/50s and shirks a tackle if he can, which isn't good for a player whose primary focus should be on defending.
Me not thinking the world of him doesn't mean I dislike the guy, though; he's a really nice bloke and I do think he's a steady left back. Unlike most modern footballers he has shown commitment to the club and is a part of a strong back four unit, which shouldn't be underestimated, but I don't think he's the outstanding full back many believe him to be.
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