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Post by Newton Abbot Gas on Apr 1, 2016 17:02:43 GMT
I'm pretty sure the original designs could raise the capacity by 5000 or so without taking the roof off. The 35,000 version would require adding an extra tier to 3 sides of the ground. And that would take The Beard 2 days to build not just the 1 he planned..........UTG
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Post by peterparker on Apr 1, 2016 18:24:30 GMT
Question is does it make financial sense to at least build the 26000 version off the bat at the least?
I would think so. The plans might be to develope the club relatively slowly but we arent talking about standing still presumably
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Post by chippenhamgas on Apr 1, 2016 18:44:24 GMT
Question is does it make financial sense to at least build the 26000 version off the bat at the least? I would think so. The plans might be to develope the club relatively slowly but we arent talking about standing still presumably I honestly can't see us going for 21700 from the start now, i would imagine it would be cheaper to build to 26k straight away than revisit this in 3 years, be interesting to know how much extra it would be, if it's only 2m we may as well go for it.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Apr 1, 2016 18:53:50 GMT
The old board would've brought the South Stand and superglued it to the roof..
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Apr 1, 2016 19:12:08 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that planning 35k 26k is ridiculous? It may make financial sense but from a capacity point of view I don believe we'll sell out 21000 WEEK ON WEEK even if we were pushing playoffs next season to the championship. People aren't gonna like me saying this but the sh** have more regular fans than we do, that's a fact! But they only average 15200 and the are in the championship. The only time we'll regularly sell out 21000 if we were pushing for the premiership. Dont get me wrong I would love to be stood corrected this time next season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 1, 2016 19:27:49 GMT
Is the 82'ers average "only" 15,200 due to the re-development work still restricting attendances this season? Given AG will be 27,000 when finished I don't think 26,000 is ridiculous as the 82'ers, without the recent change in fortune, could have well been playing Div 1 football in such a stadium themselves next season? If we do go for such a stadium it will be down to the club to get the fans though the turn styles with attractive ticket offers etc?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 20:18:06 GMT
Depends on the price and the show. We are averaging 7k atm and that won't change unless we go up and provide a decent experience that is affordable. Sustained success would help but....
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Post by Strange Gas on Apr 1, 2016 20:35:50 GMT
The bulldog on filton aveune will be a 10/15 walk away via a foot bridge over the railway. A good size pub so bound to be popular. I keep thinking the George would be better back as a pub rather than a decorating centre!
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Post by dexygas on Apr 1, 2016 20:42:40 GMT
Depends on the price and the show. We are averaging 7k atm and that won't change unless we go up and provide a decent experience that is affordable. Sustained success would help but.... We are averaging 8k at the moment for this season
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Post by aghast on Apr 1, 2016 20:42:55 GMT
Of course City have bigger crowds than us. We're in League 2 beating Barnet and Stevenage, and they're in the Championship losing to Derby and Middlesbrough. Their 15,000 average would be 18 - 20,000 once the new monster stand is completed, assuming they stay up. If they were in the top 6 they could nearly fill the finished 27,000 Ashton Gate.
We have suffered years of disaster and yet still get an average of 7,000, and more like 9 - 10,000 when doing well.
I think there is still a big fanbase for us in Bristol and surrounding areas. Those bleak years of late have kept people away, understandably, but build a nice new stadium in a good location with easy parking and transport links, and the crowds will flock back. If we have success on the pitch.
If the new owners see this as a slow process and like NH would be happy to consolidate in League 1 for some years, then 21,000 is more than adequate. If they see things happening a bit faster than that, and aim for the Championship in say 3-4 years, then 21,000 could be short-sighted. It would make sense to spend the money now to build a 26,000 seater rather than have to add the additional tiers 5 years down the line. If the intention is definitely to provide 26,000 at some point in the relatively near future, it must be cheaper to go for the extra capacity at the start than face the huge additional conversion costs a few years later.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 1, 2016 21:03:36 GMT
Of course City have bigger crowds than us. We're in League 2 beating Barnet and Stevenage, and they're in the Championship losing to Derby and Middlesbrough. Their 15,000 average would be 18 - 20,000 once the new monster stand is completed, assuming they stay up. If they were in the top 6 they could nearly fill the finished 27,000 Ashton Gate. We have suffered years of disaster and yet still get an average of 7,000, and more like 9 - 10,000 when doing well. I think there is still a big fanbase for us in Bristol and surrounding areas. Those bleak years of late have kept people away, understandably, but build a nice new stadium in a good location with easy parking and transport links, and the crowds will flock back. If we have success on the pitch. If the new owners see this as a slow process and like NH would be happy to consolidate in League 1 for some years, then 21,000 is more than adequate. If they see things happening a bit faster than that, and aim for the Championship in say 3-4 years, then 21,000 could be short-sighted. It would make sense to spend the money now to build a 26,000 seater rather than have to add the additional tiers 5 years down the line. If the intention is definitely to provide 26,000 at some point in the relatively near future, it must be cheaper to go for the extra capacity at the start than face the huge additional conversion costs a few years later. Assuming the Al-Qadi's are as wealthy as they appear can you honestly see them having say a 10 year plan to get to the Championship, then another 5 years to make it to the gold mine which is the Premiership, I can't myself and I can them looking at a 5 year plan to get to the Championship.
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Post by lulworthgas on Apr 1, 2016 21:25:07 GMT
Of course City have bigger crowds than us. We're in League 2 beating Barnet and Stevenage, and they're in the Championship losing to Derby and Middlesbrough. Their 15,000 average would be 18 - 20,000 once the new monster stand is completed, assuming they stay up. If they were in the top 6 they could nearly fill the finished 27,000 Ashton Gate. We have suffered years of disaster and yet still get an average of 7,000, and more like 9 - 10,000 when doing well. I think there is still a big fanbase for us in Bristol and surrounding areas. Those bleak years of late have kept people away, understandably, but build a nice new stadium in a good location with easy parking and transport links, and the crowds will flock back. If we have success on the pitch. If the new owners see this as a slow process and like NH would be happy to consolidate in League 1 for some years, then 21,000 is more than adequate. If they see things happening a bit faster than that, and aim for the Championship in say 3-4 years, then 21,000 could be short-sighted. It would make sense to spend the money now to build a 26,000 seater rather than have to add the additional tiers 5 years down the line. If the intention is definitely to provide 26,000 at some point in the relatively near future, it must be cheaper to go for the extra capacity at the start than face the huge additional conversion costs a few years later. Annoyingly city beat Middlesbrough twice this season. They've been a let down!
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Post by youmadethatup on Apr 1, 2016 21:32:25 GMT
I believe as mr AL Qadi inferred that there was no five year plan etc. It was just organic growth with sustainability. So things will happen when they happen but the emphasis is to improve all sectors of the club on an ongoing basis. What do these clubs have in common.....mk dons,Swansea,cardiff ,Brighton ? All built Stadiums way way way beyond the average gates they were getting at their old grounds. Is it better to have built the Brighton stadium whilst getting sub 10,000 crowds and then await the fans to be inspired or build a stadium that fits your needs now like Bournemouth did and now find the stadium way to small with little expansion available. Build 26,000 (or 28,000 !) And wait for the demand. 21,000 is way better than we have but is it best value ? Rattle around in a big stadium ? 5500 in an 11,000 stadium....50% full 14,000 in an 28,000 stadium....50% full Anyone demand Rovers not play at Wembley in the playoff final as the stadium was only half full 50% No atmosphere ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 21:36:05 GMT
Depends on the price and the show. We are averaging 7k atm and that won't change unless we go up and provide a decent experience that is affordable. Sustained success would help but.... We are averaging 8k at the moment for this season Are we? That's great news.
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Apr 1, 2016 21:39:05 GMT
Is the 82'ers average "only" 15,200 due to the re-development work still restricting attendances this season? Given AG will be 27,000 when finished I don't think 26,000 is ridiculous as the 82'ers, without the recent change in fortune, could have well been playing Div 1 football in such a stadium themselves next season? If we do go for such a stadium it will be down to the club to get the fans though the turn styles with attractive ticket offers etc? 14/15 they supposedly averaged 13000.
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Post by youmadethatup on Apr 1, 2016 21:52:34 GMT
Is the 82'ers average "only" 15,200 due to the re-development work still restricting attendances this season? Given AG will be 27,000 when finished I don't think 26,000 is ridiculous as the 82'ers, without the recent change in fortune, could have well been playing Div 1 football in such a stadium themselves next season? If we do go for such a stadium it will be down to the club to get the fans though the turn styles with attractive ticket offers etc? 14/15 they supposedly averaged 13000. 12,056.....13,000 would be too close to the Bristol record for that level...held by rovers...ahem
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Apr 1, 2016 23:38:34 GMT
14/15 they supposedly averaged 13000. 12,056.....13,000 would be too close to the Bristol record for that level...held by rovers...ahem I rounded up to nearest thousand, mind you I am sourcing from wiki, my point still stands I don't think we would sell out 21000 unless in championship auto's or playoffs.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Apr 2, 2016 2:47:16 GMT
God no. It's going to be bad enough with 10000 empty seats let alone 25000 of them. MK Dons (aka Wimbledon FC) started playing in a hockey centre, with no fan base and no history; look at their facilities today, absolutely fantastic. "Build the ground and they will come". UTG
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Post by seanclevedongas on Apr 2, 2016 7:11:41 GMT
I agree all evidence (don't mention Darlington as completely different circumstances) proves that if we build a larger stadium the crowds will come and the success will follow too which will maintain the crowds
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Post by Langford Gas on Apr 2, 2016 7:26:17 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that planning 35k 26k is ridiculous? It may make financial sense but from a capacity point of view I don believe we'll sell out 21000 WEEK ON WEEK even if we were pushing playoffs next season to the championship. People aren't gonna like me saying this but the sh** have more regular fans than we do, that's a fact! But they only average 15200 and the are in the championship. The only time we'll regularly sell out 21000 if we were pushing for the premiership. Dont get me wrong I would love to be stood corrected this time next season. With respect to you and everyone that has posted I think the general view is a bit blinkered. I don't believe its all about football, this will be used for concerts and other sporting events that may well fill it to capacity on each occasion. A concert for instance with a stage taking up one end could reduce the capacity from 26k to less than 20 or 21k to less than 15k. Four concerts a year could pay for the extra capacity quite quickly I think we as a club will grow into the stadium with steady success, as PeterHooper said "build the stadium and they will come"
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