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Post by bs9trymer on Apr 2, 2016 14:18:39 GMT
bs9trymer is quoting "facts" to suit his argument, which in reality are nonsense. Brighton's large attendances in the 1970s coincided with promotion from the 3rd division, 4th places in the 2nd division, promotion to the 1st division and three seasons in the 1st division. Historically their attendances are similar to ours. The fact they rose so high during two periods a) when they had sustained success and b) when they built a new stadium, only supports the argument he opposes - namely that success on the pitch and a better stadium will give us a massive increase in attendance. There is no logic in suggesting that what worked for them would somehow be different for us. The catchment area argument is also wrong. Does anyone seriously think someone in Kent is going to travel 50 miles to watch Brighton, just because they're the closest League team geographically? What they might do is hop on a train to London to watch one of the many choices of team there. Has anyone ever tried getting trains cross-country in the South-East? Basically if you're not heading to and from London, driving is the only realistic option. And the distances involved rule out most of Kent. Which leaves Sussex, many of whom in the north support Palace and in the West, Pompey. Conjuring up convincing sounding but actually meaningless stats, to support an opinion that we, uniquely amongst big city clubs, would for some reason not fill a biggish stadium if successful. I wasn't the one who started comparing Rovers to Brighton !. So historically Brightons attendances are the same as Rovers except when they are doing well you say,what about when Rovers do well?. Which of the facts that I mentioned were nonsense ?. Try producing some Rovers attendances that prove that a big stadium would be filled.
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Post by aghast on Apr 2, 2016 14:31:52 GMT
I don't need to prove anything. We are soon to build a fairly big stadium, and those who are paying for it must think we can fill it, especially since it's designed to be expandable.
You're the one saying we can't fill it, despite all the evidence from Brighton, Hull, Reading, etc.
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Post by bs9trymer on Apr 2, 2016 14:41:53 GMT
I don't need to prove anything. We are soon to build a fairly big stadium, and those who are paying for it must think we can fill it, especially since it's designed to be expandable. You're the one saying we can't fill it, despite all the evidence from Brighton, Hull, Reading, etc. I am more interested in 'the evidence' from Bristol. The fact is that Rovers haven't played in front of 30,000 in Bristol for 40 years !, no one on here can seem to tell me where all these new people are coming from to fill a new stadium. All that I have seen on here today is that anyone who dares to ask inconvenient questions about crowd sizes or ask for attendance figures is called a sh1thead or is ignored.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 14:46:51 GMT
I don't need to prove anything. We are soon to build a fairly big stadium, and those who are paying for it must think we can fill it, especially since it's designed to be expandable. You're the one saying we can't fill it, despite all the evidence from Brighton, Hull, Reading, etc. I am more interested in 'the evidence' from Bristol. The fact is that Rovers haven't played in front of 30,000 in Bristol for 40 years !, no one on here can seem to tell me where all these new people are coming from to fill a new stadium. All that I have seen on here today is that anyone who dares to ask inconvenient questions about crowd sizes or ask for attendance figures is called a sh1thead or is ignored.
Thats because we haven't had a 30,000 stadium for 40 years! Hardly fit 30k into a reduced capacity at Eastville, hardly fit 30k into Twerton, 30k into The Mem..? "no one on here can seem to tell me where all these new people are coming from to fill a new stadium" 40k+ we took to Cardiff, 35k+ we took to Wembley
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Post by Mr Pond on Apr 2, 2016 14:51:23 GMT
I am more interested in 'the evidence' from Bristol. The fact is that Rovers haven't played in front of 30,000 in Bristol for 40 years !, no one on here can seem to tell me where all these new people are coming from to fill a new stadium. All that I have seen on here today is that anyone who dares to ask inconvenient questions about crowd sizes or ask for attendance figures is called a sh1thead or is ignored.
Thats because we haven't had a 30,000 stadium for 40 years! Hardly fit 30k into a reduced capacity at Eastville, hardly fit 30k into Twerton, 30k into The Mem..? "no one on here can seem to tell me where all these new people are coming from to fill a new stadium" 40k+ we took to Cardiff, 35k+ we took to Wembley Speculate to Accumulate!!! Just the same as a pension pot!
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Post by Mr Pond on Apr 2, 2016 14:54:29 GMT
This was reported in 2012 in the EP BRISTOL's population shot up by 10 per cent over the past decade, the latest census figures have revealed. The number of people living in the city jumped by almost 40,000, from 390,000 to 428,000 between 2001 and 2011. The rise in population in Bristol was well above the national average increase of seven per cent and one of the largest in the South West. In North Somerset, the population increased by 7.3 per cent from 188,800 to 202,600, while in South Gloucestershire it went up by 6.8 per cent, from 246,000 to 262,800. Bath and North East Somerset is now home to 176,000 people, a rise of four per cent Read more: www.bristolpost.co.uk/City-s-population-soared-past-10-years-census/story-16547246-detail/story.html#ixzz44gI1oy3x That's where increased attendances can come from !!
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Post by Big Jock on Apr 2, 2016 14:58:24 GMT
yous lot dinnae aff go oan sumtimes
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 2, 2016 18:25:43 GMT
So a similar attendance to got in the mid 70's? Whilst they have a big catchment area on a map is it really bigger in terms of population? We've got Bristol, Bath, Somerset & Glos even across the bridge into Gwent to pull in fans. Brighton, Swansea & Reading prove that a successful team will bring in the fans, who'd have thought during our relegation season we'd be ending this season with home attendances regularly over 9,000?? Can you remind me of some of those 'similar attendances' from the mid 70s?,apart from the derby games a couple of cup and league cup games I don't remember many good crowds,there was only 19,000 there for Man Utd and that was a bank holiday!! but you probably remember better than me. Yes the population of Brightons catchment area is bigger than Bristol ( which Rovers share with city !). The other counties that you mention are shared with Yeovil,Cheltenham ( and FGR) and Newport.. Yes I agree that successful teams get better crowds,thats astounding isn't it ?....but that isn't what was suggested earlier in the thread,that crowds will come because theres a new stadium.. Even with the news that a couple of carloads will be coming from Chippenham I don't see the need for a huge stadium,but I am looking at facts not fantasy.
I would have thought any Gashead who followed Rovers in 70's, as you claim you did, wouldn't forget the televised Bournemouth game we won 3-0 where we had a crowd of around 20,000 then we had a similar attendance for the Plymouth game leading to an average attendance of over 13,000 that season. We suggest Brighton has a similar catchment area to greater Bristol is, frankly, nonsense when Brighton itself has a population half the size of Bristol's.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Apr 2, 2016 18:43:59 GMT
Can you remind me of some of those 'similar attendances' from the mid 70s?,apart from the derby games a couple of cup and league cup games I don't remember many good crowds,there was only 19,000 there for Man Utd and that was a bank holiday!! but you probably remember better than me. Yes the population of Brightons catchment area is bigger than Bristol ( which Rovers share with city !). The other counties that you mention are shared with Yeovil,Cheltenham ( and FGR) and Newport.. Yes I agree that successful teams get better crowds,thats astounding isn't it ?....but that isn't what was suggested earlier in the thread,that crowds will come because theres a new stadium.. Even with the news that a couple of carloads will be coming from Chippenham I don't see the need for a huge stadium,but I am looking at facts not fantasy.
I would have thought any Gashead who followed Rovers in 70's, as you claim you did, wouldn't forget the televised Bournemouth game we won 3-0 where we had a crowd of around 20,000 then we had a similar attendance for the Plymouth game leading to an average attendance of over 13,000 that season. We suggest Brighton has a similar catchment area to greater Bristol is, frankly, nonsense when Brighton itself has a population half the size of Bristol's. The simple fact is topper that he isn't a gashead, just come on here to wind us up!
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Post by bs9trymer on Apr 2, 2016 18:59:34 GMT
Can you remind me of some of those 'similar attendances' from the mid 70s?,apart from the derby games a couple of cup and league cup games I don't remember many good crowds,there was only 19,000 there for Man Utd and that was a bank holiday!! but you probably remember better than me. Yes the population of Brightons catchment area is bigger than Bristol ( which Rovers share with city !). The other counties that you mention are shared with Yeovil,Cheltenham ( and FGR) and Newport.. Yes I agree that successful teams get better crowds,thats astounding isn't it ?....but that isn't what was suggested earlier in the thread,that crowds will come because theres a new stadium.. Even with the news that a couple of carloads will be coming from Chippenham I don't see the need for a huge stadium,but I am looking at facts not fantasy.
I would have thought any Gashead who followed Rovers in 70's, as you claim you did, wouldn't forget the televised Bournemouth game we won 3-0 where we had a crowd of around 20,000 then we had a similar attendance for the Plymouth game leading to an average attendance of over 13,000 that season. We suggest Brighton has a similar catchment area to greater Bristol is, frankly, nonsense when Brighton itself has a population half the size of Bristol's. You have shot yourself in the foot there ( I doubt you will see it though) 13000 average in a promotion season,as I said a few big crowds in derby games,Plymouth was a big crowd on boxing day.
You said that Rovers catchment area includes Bristol,Bath,Somerset,Gloucestershire and Gwent ( conveniently forgetting all the other clubs in them), yet I am talking nonsense !.
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Post by paulpirate on Apr 2, 2016 19:08:02 GMT
Was disappointed with the crowd today was panicking about getting a tkt,our loss last week hasn't put 2000 off has it? If so that is pathetic
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 2, 2016 19:25:35 GMT
One hour drive from the UWE site encompasses pretty much Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire and much of South Wales, especially around Newport and Chepstow. That to me is something like 3 million people, many of whom are probably unaligned and could be tempted if only for odd matches.
I get the impression that we are looking too much at the match day attendances, which will improve but will only be sustained if we continue to do well on the pitch but perhaps more importantly prices and pre and post match entertainment is better than our rivals. So that us City, Swindon, Newport, Cheltenham and Yeovil with possibly Cardiff and Exeter at a push.
I think the new owners are looking at more than just match day revenue or even just football related revenue though. Just look at who makes up the highest number of visitors to Weston, mainly from Birmingham.
We need to look at this outside the bubble of match days.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 2, 2016 19:28:48 GMT
Thats because we haven't had a 30,000 stadium for 40 years! Hardly fit 30k into a reduced capacity at Eastville, hardly fit 30k into Twerton, 30k into The Mem..? "no one on here can seem to tell me where all these new people are coming from to fill a new stadium" 40k+ we took to Cardiff, 35k+ we took to Wembley Speculate to Accumulate!!! Just the same as a pension pot!On a more light hearted note, as someone who has worked in the pensions sector for over 20 years may I suggest you speak to a different financial advisor!
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Post by chippenhamgas on Apr 2, 2016 19:31:00 GMT
Was disappointed with the crowd today was panicking about getting a tkt,our loss last week hasn't put 2000 off has it? If so that is pathetic The cambridge game was good friday, bank holidays always put extra on the gate. Was hoping for 9k plus today, but this isn't gonna happen overnight, getting people who go occasionally to go regularly will take time. Last 3 will sell out now.
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Post by axegas on Apr 2, 2016 19:31:26 GMT
Was disappointed with the crowd today was panicking about getting a tkt,our loss last week hasn't put 2000 off has it? If so that is pathetic Not pathetic, this wasn't a bank holiday and lots of occasional fans went last week and perhaps weren't tempted to come the week after, Crawley didn't bring as many as Cambridge either which didn't help, otherwise I thought that 3 sides of the ground were packet with noisy gasheads
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Post by paulpirate on Apr 2, 2016 19:39:31 GMT
Cambridge only had 300,just thought with winning7/8 games we should be filling up
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Post by youmadethatup on Apr 2, 2016 19:48:18 GMT
Was disappointed with the crowd today was panicking about getting a tkt,our loss last week hasn't put 2000 off has it? If so that is pathetic Not pathetic, this wasn't a bank holiday and lots of occasional fans went last week and perhaps weren't tempted to come the week after, Crawley didn't bring as many as Cambridge either which didn't help, otherwise I thought that 3 sides of the ground were packet with noisy gasheads There also seemed to be a little more hype about getting a ticket before missing out for the Cambridge game. Saturday workers/ Saturday footballers stop some attending and Ithink losing at Carlisle deflated some people's bubbles. There has not been enough emphasis placed on the home record or having the nation's top scorer before games in the media by the club. The crowd was good (compared to other seasons) but disappointing that the club allowed a 20% drop from the previous game instead of upping the desire for tickets.
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Post by casey12a on Apr 2, 2016 20:10:41 GMT
Was disappointed with the crowd today was panicking about getting a tkt,our loss last week hasn't put 2000 off has it? If so that is pathetic Bank holidays always increase the crowd. A lot of fans still play on Saturday afternoon. sorry just saw the posts above?
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 2, 2016 20:28:25 GMT
I would have thought any Gashead who followed Rovers in 70's, as you claim you did, wouldn't forget the televised Bournemouth game we won 3-0 where we had a crowd of around 20,000 then we had a similar attendance for the Plymouth game leading to an average attendance of over 13,000 that season. We suggest Brighton has a similar catchment area to greater Bristol is, frankly, nonsense when Brighton itself has a population half the size of Bristol's. You have shot yourself in the foot there ( I doubt you will see it though) 13000 average in a promotion season,as I said a few big crowds in derby games,Plymouth was a big crowd on boxing day.
You said that Rovers catchment area includes Bristol,Bath,Somerset,Gloucestershire and Gwent ( conveniently forgetting all the other clubs in them), yet I am talking nonsense !.
There's no way Bournemouth was a derby game! Bar the 82'ers there aren't any league clubs in those 4 English counties, there's Newport in Gwent but they are hardly going to be more attractive to fans living near to the severn crosssings if we're playing Championship football? If we are going to compete with the 82'ers on level terms then we need a ground which at least can hold a similar attendance, whether we need a 35,000 stadium will be down to our new owners to decide.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Apr 2, 2016 20:50:13 GMT
You have shot yourself in the foot there ( I doubt you will see it though) 13000 average in a promotion season,as I said a few big crowds in derby games,Plymouth was a big crowd on boxing day.
You said that Rovers catchment area includes Bristol,Bath,Somerset,Gloucestershire and Gwent ( conveniently forgetting all the other clubs in them), yet I am talking nonsense !.
There's no way Bournemouth was a derby game! Bar the 82'ers there aren't any league clubs in those 4 English counties, there's Newport in Gwent but they are hardly going to be more attractive to fans living near to the severn crosssings if we're playing Championship football? If we are going to compete with the 82'ers on level terms then we need a ground which at least can hold a similar attendance, whether we need a 35,000 stadium will be down to our new owners to decide. Exactly, and it may well be it's more cost effective to do the whole lot in one go than keep adding bits on. Also if we are in league one next season the championship is only one season away, and none of us know how much cash wael will throw at it in the summer as he is very wisely playing his cards close to his chest.
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