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Post by gaslife on Jun 14, 2016 8:13:43 GMT
On another topic, I heard a radio talk show where basically all the callers and the presenters were kind of saying that Russians are all gangsters, drug cheats, gay bashers or hookers. It's funny just as we have conflict with Russia, we all hate Russians again. I can speak a fair amount and have had several Russian GF and I can safely say that is not the case, and the looks and assumptions people make once they hear the accent are plain. Many Russian people have a deep respect and love for Britain and don't let this cloud your judgement. They do come off a little rude on holiday but remember, it was ravaged by Bolshevism for years and is therefore very poor in places and a "dog eat dog" attitude is the only survival tool if you are run by communists for 80 odd years. Taking gangsters and oligarchs aside, Russians are rude to strangers. Once you are properly known you will find friendship is often a deeper affair than here and they will literally give you the shirt off their back. Still, their ultras are at fault here and the Moscow papers comments are ridiculous There's probably more to this than meets the eye. Consider - referendum next week in UK over leaving EU. Just the right moment to cause aggro between England & Europe. Breakup of Europe would certainly suit one Vladimir Putin..... Correct. Some of the Russian thugs are military, given visas and tickets by the state and sent to cause trouble. All part of Putin's hybrid war on Europe. The potential break-up of EU and rise again of European fascism is key to that. Rumour is that some of the pro-thugs have already returned to Russia, job done. Hope that's the case. Russian MPs have openly praised their 'bravery', heroes of the cause. France really should have anticipated this trouble and controlled the granting of visas better, but the French seem to have misplaced sympathies with Russia and none for England of course. The increasing popularity of Le Pen's Front National and similar right-wing parties across Europe is worrying. In UK, it's UKIP of course. Critical times ahead, both in terms of the football and the politics.
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Post by inee on Jun 14, 2016 8:23:11 GMT
On another topic, I heard a radio talk show where basically all the callers and the presenters were kind of saying that Russians are all gangsters, drug cheats, gay bashers or hookers. It's funny just as we have conflict with Russia, we all hate Russians again. I can speak a fair amount and have had several Russian GF and I can safely say that is not the case, and the looks and assumptions people make once they hear the accent are plain. Many Russian people have a deep respect and love for Britain and don't let this cloud your judgement. They do come off a little rude on holiday but remember, it was ravaged by Bolshevism for years and is therefore very poor in places and a "dog eat dog" attitude is the only survival tool if you are run by communists for 80 odd years. Taking gangsters and oligarchs aside, Russians are rude to strangers. Once you are properly known you will find friendship is often a deeper affair than here and they will literally give you the shirt off their back. Still, their ultras are at fault here and the Moscow papers comments are ridiculous There's probably more to this than meets the eye. Consider - referendum next week in UK over leaving EU. Just the right moment to cause aggro between England & Europe. Breakup of Europe would certainly suit one Vladimir Putin..... Oi was it you who nicked my tinfoil hat , i've been thinking along similar lines not about putin, to me the lack of proactive policing from the froggys, could be a type of stuff you warning,as in you want to leave we will not help you, but as was shown you retaliate and you will get nicked, and where were the so called british police advisors, they would have known or saw what was building up, so why did they say nothing , why did they let the england fans initially take the blame. think on that one (not aimed at the poster just throwing some thoughts out there). Still screw france i'm still going to enjoy my rosbif Looking at the russian thugs for a moment, they can claim what they want but to me it was probably one of the most cowardly attacks in the history of football and hooliganism it would be akin to ahmed khan meeting me in the street and having a pop at me for no reason(not that he would but hope you get what i mean) then posting on facebook that the fat old unfit man he beat up on the street meant he was king of fighting, or in simpler terms it would be like us all steaming into a school and stealing the ties from 12/13 year olds wow what heroes we could become hey( the age thing here was just a size comparison etc). But yes the russian press has been hilarious, If they are proud of the awakened russian bear picking on those smaller maybe just maybe roverdrive should go visit and do some bear screwing In one of these thread mario wosischops posted a link to an ultras site ,worth a quick look through as there's a bit on the ruskies and a good set of photos of some of their ultras shown with their gang tats and also many in the ring,pics of a councillor with his tats etc, there are also links to what the call fans fighting league worth a look, just to see how far these types will go. On a side note it's worth heading over to (spit)otib(spit) and check out their thread on this in the general bit , like on here there are first hand accounts of what happened , hopefully this will focus or even open a few minds to the fact that the ruskies carried out a pre planned in and out attack to claim a so called crown that wasn't there, lets face it most of our known hooligans are in fact prevented from travelling abroad and have surrendered their passports
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Post by inee on Jun 14, 2016 8:24:14 GMT
French prosecutors have said some 150 Russians were the cause of the trouble in Marseille. Shame on everyone who blamed England fans when it was clear as day they were not to blame and were attacked. Once again, the British introduce a sport to the world, only to get beaten at our own game by foreigners who take it more seriously, and play it more cynically. cowerdly Corrected for you
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 14, 2016 12:11:04 GMT
Russia given suspended expulsion.
More problems and they are gone.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 14, 2016 12:11:53 GMT
Russia will be disqualified from Euro 2016 if there is further crowd trouble at their remaining tournament matches.
Uefa, European football's governing body, has given Russia a suspended disqualification and a 150,000 euro (£119,000) fine for disorder at the game against England in Marseille.
Russia were also charged for fan racism and lighting fireworks at the game.
Groups of Russia fans are being deported from France after repeated scenes of violence at Euro 2016.
The suspended disqualification and fine relate only to incidents that happened inside the stadium. The decision is open to appeal.
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Post by gregsy on Jun 14, 2016 12:40:00 GMT
Russia will be disqualified from Euro 2016 if there is further crowd trouble at their remaining tournament matches. Uefa, European football's governing body, has given Russia a suspended disqualification and a 150,000 euro (£119,000) fine for disorder at the game against England in Marseille. Russia were also charged for fan racism and lighting fireworks at the game. Groups of Russia fans are being deported from France after repeated scenes of violence at Euro 2016. The suspended disqualification and fine relate only to incidents that happened inside the stadium. The decision is open to appeal. the bottom line here is that before the tornament the French althorities were focused largely on terrorism, and rightly so.....
any drain on resources is not a risk to be taken....
boot them out....
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 14, 2016 12:40:18 GMT
Russia given suspended expulsion. More problems and they are gone. They're f**ked, then, coz there will be. Thing is, if you threaten them, and they don't obey, then you gotta follow through with it, otherwise they will never take any notice of anything. EDIT: didn't read the bit about 'inside the stadium'. I guess they're just carry on like before then, but not do that thing they did inside the stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 12:50:12 GMT
Russia will be disqualified from Euro 2016 if there is further crowd trouble at their remaining tournament matches. Uefa, European football's governing body, has given Russia a suspended disqualification and a 150,000 euro (£119,000) fine for disorder at the game against England in Marseille. Russia were also charged for fan racism and lighting fireworks at the game. Groups of Russia fans are being deported from France after repeated scenes of violence at Euro 2016. The suspended disqualification and fine relate only to incidents that happened inside the stadium. The decision is open to appeal. What I find weird is we've heard for months now that the French are on high-alert for a terrorist attack. Arrive early because you have to go through 3 security cordons to get into the ground, everyone & everything will be searched, yet the Russians managed to get fireworks & flares into the ground with out any problems.
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Post by blueblood1883 on Jun 14, 2016 13:09:16 GMT
Germany v Poland at the Stade de France on Thursday.. Brace yourselves, I can see the headlines already being written..
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Post by kylegas on Jun 14, 2016 14:57:30 GMT
Yup although from what i've read i'm glad i'm sat on me sofa, from a link posted earlier a lot of the russians are boxers/mma fighters etc. So quite difficult to defend against. There was trouble for the Irish as well, still spose many on here will blame us English fer that too Don't do much against a brick. I'd end up on a murder charge. I f**king hate tattooed, steroid MMA type assholes. Insecure, and living a life purely to present an image like a teenage girl putting on make up. I'm sure there's decent folks who just like MMA, I like a bit of boxing, but I do wonder what is driving the need to dedicate your life to beating and gouging other human beings. National service and the army are the answer for narcissist sociopaths. I'm covered in tattoos and have dedicated the last 7 years of my life to mma, that makes me a sociopath does it? Don't know where you get "gouging" from either? I think threatening to hit people with a brick makes you a bit of a hypocrite as well as being stereotypical, congratulation you're all kinds of stupid.
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Post by francegas on Jun 14, 2016 15:16:06 GMT
Out of interest how many Russian fans have been arrested charged and jailed. I see a C*ty fan has been jailed for a month. Seriously harsh punishment if he was just protecting himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 15:19:35 GMT
Russia will be disqualified from Euro 2016 if there is further crowd trouble at their remaining tournament matches. Uefa, European football's governing body, has given Russia a suspended disqualification and a 150,000 euro (£119,000) fine for disorder at the game against England in Marseille. Russia were also charged for fan racism and lighting fireworks at the game. Groups of Russia fans are being deported from France after repeated scenes of violence at Euro 2016. The suspended disqualification and fine relate only to incidents that happened inside the stadium. The decision is open to appeal. A £119,000 fine - how pathetic. Also sounds like they've been given carte blanche to carry on attacking people away from the stadium!
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Post by Big Jock on Jun 14, 2016 17:13:08 GMT
Putins oan his way...............
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Jun 14, 2016 18:03:45 GMT
Trouble in Lille apparently, Russians attacking English and Welsh fans sitting together, my source is a mate out there.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jun 14, 2016 18:05:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 18:07:40 GMT
As you were - just remember not to do it inside the stadium lads.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 19:15:20 GMT
Don't do much against a brick. I'd end up on a murder charge. I f**king hate tattooed, steroid MMA type assholes. Insecure, and living a life purely to present an image like a teenage girl putting on make up. I'm sure there's dehcent folks who just like MMA, I like a bit of boxing, but I do wonder what is driving the need to dedicate your life to beating and gouging other human beings. National service and the army are the answer for narcissist sociopaths. I'm covered in tattoos and have dedicated the last 7 years of my life to mma, that makes me a sociopath does it? Don't know where you get "gouging" from either? I think threatening to hit people with a brick makes you a bit of a hypocrite as well as being stereotypical, congratulation you're all kinds of stupid. It's up to you how you live your life. I've never hit anyone with a brick but if you are accosted by someone who clearly has focused his life on being able to hurt people and presenting an image of a hooligan, people who arent inclined this way need to even the score with whatever they can find! My personal experience of MMA and these types of sports are generally dark triad and have trained this way for a reason. I cannot speak for all and there are I am sure other reasons to do this. It seems to all come down to "I'll Dam have you" on some level.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 19:29:09 GMT
How can anyone think Putin is the aggressor:
EU funded coup by far right extremists in Ukraine. BBC immediately recognises this as a legitimate government, as does the UK government. This was a coup with guns and no elections. Does that not ring an alarm bell with you?
East Ukraine is 99% ethnic Russian as is the Crimea where the Russian fleet is based. You think Russia will give up her main naval port for her Navy? How stupid are the EU? This isn't a tinpot country, there are 170 million Russians. Would we give up Scapa flow if Scotland joined the Russian Federation? Really?
How many middle Eastern conflicts has Russia started? Did overthrowing Assad at the behest of the west benefit Syria? How has the map of Europe expanded?
I have seen very little imperialism from Russia and nobody gave a damn before the media started reporting on the big bad Russian bogeyman, VP.
Those limp incompetent wastrels in the EU really will cop a bad one as the Russians do not f**k around and will not tolerate expansion right up to their borders or foreign meddling. The EU will back Neo Nazis if it gets the result.
The idea Putin, in his swivel chair, ordered the ultras to break up the EU - please! This is not a bond movie.
I do not particularly like the Russian governance system, or VP, or the oligarchy. I don't, however, buy that he is some despotic madman. He would run rings around pretty much anyone we have. They are not the aggressor, they're just another participant in this madness of empire building as much as anyone. Don't forget how Sadaam has WMD, they will drag your sons and money into wars just to carve up the fat turkey of the Middle East which is on its knees currently just waiting for a superpower to take control.
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Post by gaslife on Jun 14, 2016 20:27:44 GMT
How can anyone think Putin is the aggressor: EU funded coup by far right extremists in Ukraine. BBC immediately recognises this as a legitimate government, as does the UK government. This was a coup with guns and no elections. Does that not ring an alarm bell with you? East Ukraine is 99% ethnic Russian as is the Crimea where the Russian fleet is based. You think Russia will give up her main naval port for her Navy? How stupid are the EU? This isn't a tinpot country, there are 170 million Russians. Would we give up Scapa flow if Scotland joined the Russian Federation? Really? How many middle Eastern conflicts has Russia started? Did overthrowing Assad at the behest of the west benefit Syria? How has the map of Europe expanded? I have seen very little imperialism from Russia and nobody gave a damn before the media started reporting on the big bad Russian bogeyman, VP. Those limp incompetent wastrels in the EU really will cop a bad one as the Russians do not f**k around and will not tolerate expansion right up to their borders or foreign meddling. The EU will back Neo Nazis if it gets the result. The idea Putin, in his swivel chair, ordered the ultras to break up the EU - please! This is not a bond movie. I do not particularly like the Russian governance system, or VP, or the oligarchy. I don't, however, buy that he is some despotic madman. He would run rings around pretty much anyone we have. They are not the aggressor, they're just another participant in this madness of empire building as much as anyone. Don't forget how Sadaam has WMD, they will drag your sons and money into wars just to carve up the fat turkey of the Middle East which is on its knees currently just waiting for a superpower to take control. Someone's been watching too much 'Russia Today' and worse, believing it!
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Post by kylegas on Jun 14, 2016 20:43:17 GMT
I'm covered in tattoos and have dedicated the last 7 years of my life to mma, that makes me a sociopath does it? Don't know where you get "gouging" from either? I think threatening to hit people with a brick makes you a bit of a hypocrite as well as being stereotypical, congratulation you're all kinds of stupid. It's up to you how you live your life. I've never hit anyone with a brick but if you are accosted by someone who clearly has focused his life on being able to hurt people and presenting an image of a hooligan, people who arent inclined this way need to even the score with whatever they can find! My personal experience of MMA and these types of sports are generally dark triad and have trained this way for a reason. I cannot speak for all and there are I am sure other reasons to do this. It seems to all come down to "I'll f**king have you" on some level. You're just continuing to prove how little you know about this subject, maybe you should just stop airing opinions on subjects you are completely uneducated on
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