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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 14, 2016 22:05:29 GMT
How can anyone think Putin is the aggressor: EU funded coup by far right extremists in Ukraine. BBC immediately recognises this as a legitimate government, as does the UK government. This was a coup with guns and no elections. Does that not ring an alarm bell with you? East Ukraine is 99% ethnic Russian as is the Crimea where the Russian fleet is based. You think Russia will give up her main naval port for her Navy? How stupid are the EU? This isn't a tinpot country, there are 170 million Russians. Would we give up Scapa flow if Scotland joined the Russian Federation? Really? How many middle Eastern conflicts has Russia started? Did overthrowing Assad at the behest of the west benefit Syria? How has the map of Europe expanded? I have seen very little imperialism from Russia and nobody gave a damn before the media started reporting on the big bad Russian bogeyman, VP. Those limp incompetent wastrels in the EU really will cop a bad one as the Russians do not f**k around and will not tolerate expansion right up to their borders or foreign meddling. The EU will back Neo Nazis if it gets the result. The idea Putin, in his swivel chair, ordered the ultras to break up the EU - please! This is not a bond movie. I do not particularly like the Russian governance system, or VP, or the oligarchy. I don't, however, buy that he is some despotic madman. He would run rings around pretty much anyone we have. They are not the aggressor, they're just another participant in this madness of empire building as much as anyone. Don't forget how Sadaam has WMD, they will drag your sons and money into wars just to carve up the fat turkey of the Middle East which is on its knees currently just waiting for a superpower to take control. I was tempted to respond to this pointing out where I saw a few inaccuracies, simplifications and omissions, and indeed where I agreed but then thought that this is politics and should be in general chat. So I'll settle for saying roll on the new season where we can get back to talking about Rovers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 10:12:27 GMT
Got this in my mailbox today :-)
In our lifetime there are some universal constants that we rely on to see us through the morass.
"Rain Comes From The Clouds"
"Sun lights Up The Sky"
"Hummingbirds Do Fly"
So you can imagine my consternation and sense of hopeless isolation when I saw a footage of Tolkien-like
Russian "Orcs" rushing forward whilst the trajectories of our own mob more resembled Bilbo Baggins with the wind up him.
SHOCKING.
Is nothing sacrosanct.
When most things were going to hell in a hadbasket we drew great strength as a nation from the fact that we were
the undisputed hooligan champions of world. Sadly it would appear that we have been unceremoniously relieved of
that that title - a medal ripped from Mutley' lapel. Reading related articles it appears that whilst we were basking
in infamy forged on a diet of beer and low IQ's the Russians (and Polish too) have turned professional. Alcohol has gone
(slows the reaction time in combat) to be replaced by a rigid training regime (boxing, Mixed Martial Arts, and the like) and
military-like organisation. They have elevated "ill-discipline" to a new level. Spanish "ticky-taca" has become Russian "bish-boshki".
To add further insult members of the Russian political class have endorsed their countrymen (replace the Norwegian
commentator with Vlad Putin in this classic clip - this is priceless).
Is the demise of this great English institution as Mark Twain would say "exaggerated" - only time will tell.
When the hand-wringing, soul-searching, and no small amount of wound-licking is over we need to ask ourselves what
can be done to avoid a repeat for surely as night follows day every Russian granny with a stanley blade will be licking
their lips in two years time.
Did we fail at grass roots - should we introduce legislation forcing the supermarkets to replace pork pies with copies of Ullitimate Fight Club ?
Are more academies and centres for the "violently-gifted" required - can we we rebuild in time for Qatar ?
Let us not go quietly into the night,
Cyril
(A Patriot).
P.S: Just Joshing Folks !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 11:40:43 GMT
Got this in my mailbox today :-) In our lifetime there are some universal constants that we rely on to see us through the morass. "Rain Comes From The Clouds" "Sun lights Up The Sky" "Hummingbirds Do Fly" So you can imagine my consternation and sense of hopeless isolation when I saw a footage of Tolkien-like Russian "Orcs" rushing forward whilst the trajectories of our own mob more resembled Bilbo Baggins with the wind up him. SHOCKING. Is nothing sacrosanct. When most things were going to hell in a hadbasket we drew great strength as a nation from the fact that we were the undisputed hooligan champions of world. Sadly it would appear that we have been unceremoniously relieved of that that title - a medal ripped from Mutley' lapel. Reading related articles it appears that whilst we were basking in infamy forged on a diet of beer and low IQ's the Russians (and Polish too) have turned professional. Alcohol has gone (slows the reaction time in combat) to be replaced by a rigid training regime (boxing, Mixed Martial Arts, and the like) and military-like organisation. They have elevated "ill-discipline" to a new level. Spanish "ticky-taca" has become Russian "bish-boshki". To add further insult members of the Russian political class have endorsed their countrymen (replace the Norwegian commentator with Vlad Putin in this classic clip - this is priceless). Is the demise of this great English institution as Mark Twain would say "exaggerated" - only time will tell. When the hand-wringing, soul-searching, and no small amount of wound-licking is over we need to ask ourselves what can be done to avoid a repeat for surely as night follows day every Russian granny with a stanley blade will be licking their lips in two years time. Did we fail at grass roots - should we introduce legislation forcing the supermarkets to replace pork pies with copies of Ullitimate Fight Club ? Are more academies and centres for the "violently-gifted" required - can we we rebuild in time for Qatar ? Let us not go quietly into the night, Cyril (A Patriot). P.S: Just Joshing Folks ! Pathetic. People fighting for their lives, innocent men and women being attacked and robbed by organised cowards and you are just joshing! Cyril (Needs help) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 15:24:11 GMT
Any trouble reported around the Russia/Slovakia game?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 15, 2016 15:34:19 GMT
Any trouble reported around the Russia/Slovakia game? Someone let a flare off in the Russia end after they scored. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 15:49:59 GMT
Any trouble reported around the Russia/Slovakia game? Someone let a flare off in the Russia end after they scored. They're disqualified then. Unlucky. |
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Post by puregas on Jun 15, 2016 15:52:37 GMT
Went to the game, seemed to go off peacefully enough apart from the flare.
Loads of English and Welsh there but all very discreet.
Centre of Lille looks like it's getting a bit lively mind.
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Post by pucklegas on Jun 15, 2016 18:38:06 GMT
Someone let a flare off in the Russia end after they scored. They're disqualified then. Unlucky. Not according to talksport flares don't count FFS! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 18:48:59 GMT
Stan Collymore think he's Ross Kemp or something. Seems to be getting a lot of sh** on twitter for this vid, but gives an insight into whats going on over there. Russian fan getting taken down by the cops around 9 mins... www.periscope.tv/w/1djGXwbMNXVKZ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 18:50:22 GMT
They're disqualified then. Unlucky. Not according to talksport flares don't count FFS! was tongue in cheek but if only they did count! Mind you Russia may not need disqualification to go out |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 16, 2016 5:29:11 GMT
Went to the game, seemed to go off peacefully enough apart from the flare. Loads of English and Welsh there but all very discreet. Centre of Lille looks like it's getting a bit lively mind. Seems like.the police were more prepared and have used containment tactics in Lille according to the news. That says doesnt.sound like our fans helped themselves once again by lighting flares/smoke bombs in the street. Is it possible knowing the potential for it to kick off to just have a relatively quiet ducking drink and sbow ourselves in a good light? Russia 2018 seems like.a nightmarr waiting to happen |
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Post by Captain Jayho on Jun 16, 2016 6:59:34 GMT
Went to the game, seemed to go off peacefully enough apart from the flare. Loads of English and Welsh there but all very discreet. Centre of Lille looks like it's getting a bit lively mind. Seems like.the police were more prepared and have used containment tactics in Lille according to the news. That says doesnt.sound like our fans helped themselves once again by lighting flares/smoke bombs in the street. Is it possible knowing the potential for it to kick off to just have a relatively quiet ducking drink and sbow ourselves in a good light? Russia 2018 seems like.a nightmarr waiting to happen Having it in Lille/Lens is a nightmare. So easy to get to from London. I don't know anything about it but I suspect there are plenty of our meatheads who feel affronted by what the Russians did to our drunken buffoons in Marseille and have travelled over without a ticket for some revenge. Feel sorry for the players, have to put up with these prats every time we go to a major tournament. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 7:10:38 GMT
Seems like.the police were more prepared and have used containment tactics in Lille according to the news. That says doesnt.sound like our fans helped themselves once again by lighting flares/smoke bombs in the street. Is it possible knowing the potential for it to kick off to just have a relatively quiet ducking drink and sbow ourselves in a good light? Russia 2018 seems like.a nightmarr waiting to happen Having it in Lille/Lens is a nightmare. So easy to get to from London. I don't know anything about it but I suspect there are plenty of our meatheads who feel affronted by what the Russians did to our drunken buffoons in Marseille and have travelled over without a ticket for some revenge. Feel sorry for the players, have to put up with these prats every time we go to a major tournament. Sorry for the players? How about normal footy fans trying to enjoy the tournament? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 7:43:03 GMT
Stan Collymore think he's Ross Kemp or something. Seems to be getting a lot of sh** on twitter for this vid, but gives an insight into whats going on over there. Russian fan getting taken down by the cops around 9 mins... www.periscope.tv/w/1djGXwbMNXVKZ How on earth does Stan Colkymore get work at the BBC when he hit a woman? I still have no idea how he gets a second chance. |
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Post by cagastrophy on Jun 16, 2016 8:02:48 GMT
How can anyone think Putin is the aggressor: EU funded coup by far right extremists in Ukraine. BBC immediately recognises this as a legitimate government, as does the UK government. This was a coup with guns and no elections. Does that not ring an alarm bell with you? East Ukraine is 99% ethnic Russian as is the Crimea where the Russian fleet is based. You think Russia will give up her main naval port for her Navy? How stupid are the EU? This isn't a tinpot country, there are 170 million Russians. Would we give up Scapa flow if Scotland joined the Russian Federation? Really? How many middle Eastern conflicts has Russia started? Did overthrowing Assad at the behest of the west benefit Syria? How has the map of Europe expanded? I have seen very little imperialism from Russia and nobody gave a damn before the media started reporting on the big bad Russian bogeyman, VP. Those limp incompetent wastrels in the EU really will cop a bad one as the Russians do not f**k around and will not tolerate expansion right up to their borders or foreign meddling. The EU will back Neo Nazis if it gets the result. The idea Putin, in his swivel chair, ordered the ultras to break up the EU - please! This is not a bond movie. I do not particularly like the Russian governance system, or VP, or the oligarchy. I don't, however, buy that he is some despotic madman. He would run rings around pretty much anyone we have. They are not the aggressor, they're just another participant in this madness of empire building as much as anyone. Don't forget how Sadaam has WMD, they will drag your sons and money into wars just to carve up the fat turkey of the Middle East which is on its knees currently just waiting for a superpower to take control. I was tempted to respond to this pointing out where I saw a few inaccuracies, simplifications and omissions, and indeed where I agreed but then thought that this is politics and should be in general chat. So I'll settle for saying roll on the new season where we can get back to talking about Rovers. Can I? 99% ethnic Russian? It averages at around 40% across the East, it has a bit of conspiracy in there as well. I'm leaving it anyway with the word Georgia. |
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Post by cagastrophy on Jun 16, 2016 8:04:35 GMT
Went to the game, seemed to go off peacefully enough apart from the flare. Loads of English and Welsh there but all very discreet. Centre of Lille looks like it's getting a bit lively mind. Seems like.the police were more prepared and have used containment tactics in Lille according to the news. That says doesnt.sound like our fans helped themselves once again by lighting flares/smoke bombs in the street. Is it possible knowing the potential for it to kick off to just have a relatively quiet ducking drink and sbow ourselves in a good light? Russia 2018 seems like.a nightmarr waiting to happen As long as the Russian police don't see it as boys having a bit of fun and they get their organization right it should be ok in my opinion, they are very organized. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 8:21:02 GMT
Stan Collymore think he's Ross Kemp or something. Seems to be getting a lot of sh** on twitter for this vid, but gives an insight into whats going on over there. Russian fan getting taken down by the cops around 9 mins... www.periscope.tv/w/1djGXwbMNXVKZ How on earth does Stan Colkymore get work at the BBC when he hit a woman? I still have no idea how he gets a second chance. Indeed, quite ironic that he would help take down a Russian ultra for violence given his past too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 8:24:46 GMT
Seems like.the police were more prepared and have used containment tactics in Lille according to the news. That says doesnt.sound like our fans helped themselves once again by lighting flares/smoke bombs in the street. Is it possible knowing the potential for it to kick off to just have a relatively quiet ducking drink and sbow ourselves in a good light? Russia 2018 seems like.a nightmarr waiting to happen As long as the Russian police don't see it as boys having a bit of fun and they get their organization right it should be ok in my opinion, they are very organized. Can I just say that my experience of Russian Police is not a very good one. |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 16, 2016 8:54:01 GMT
Stan Collymore think he's Ross Kemp or something. Seems to be getting a lot of sh** on twitter for this vid, but gives an insight into whats going on over there. Russian fan getting taken down by the cops around 9 mins... www.periscope.tv/w/1djGXwbMNXVKZ How on earth does Stan Colkymore get work at the BBC when he hit a woman? I still have no idea how he gets a second chance. Thing is Stan (at least seemingly) appears to be repentent. If you listen to him, he acknowledges his wrong doings and doesnt pretend it never happened. He also happens to be one of the better pundit/commentators/journalist on not just football but depression and how it affected him and effects other people. There is a place for people to get second chances and use their experiences for the better. Stan seems like one of those |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 9:08:14 GMT
How on earth does Stan Colkymore get work at the BBC when he hit a woman? I still have no idea how he gets a second chance. Thing is Stan (at least seemingly) appears to be repentent. If you listen to him, he acknowledges his wrong doings and doesnt pretend it never happened. He also happens to be one of the better pundit/commentators/journalist on not just football but depression and how it affected him and effects other people. There is a place for people to get second chances and use their experiences for the better. Stan seems like one of those
He is a bit like Jason Roberts though (on Twitter at least) and uses racism quite a lot in situations where that isn't the real issue.
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