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Post by socrates on Aug 26, 2016 20:01:58 GMT
I'm thinking that there's quite a few on here tonight who want everything now or yesterday and aren't prepared wait and see how this evolution not revolution thing pans out.
When Higgs was Chairman it was wholesale changes left right and centre all the time and we went through years of dross.
Finally for the first time in donkeys years we've got steady progression and there are people who can't see that and are calling our board to splash out on big names when we've just won two consecutive promotions for the first time in our clubs history.
You couldn't make it up !!!
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 26, 2016 20:12:44 GMT
I might have missed it but have Rovers got a £300,000 signing in the team ? These new owners are not going to buy players but I bet they do want to sell the Mem. No what I meant was Burtons record signing is £300,000 our record signing was worth more. Of course our owners want to sell the Mem. The three things they want is the team to progress the stadium to be sold and a new one built and proper training facilities to be built. Where have you been ? I am still waiting for 'the team to progress', I think most people realise that Rovers need a central midfielder ( or 2 ) and a centre forward, better than those in the squad now. They will cost,and i dont see any money being available to buy them, with a bit more quality in the team Rovers could have had a point at Scunthorpe ( they arent great) as teams progress up the divisions they need strengthening,its not nuclear science.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 20:21:09 GMT
No what I meant was Burtons record signing is £300,000 our record signing was worth more. Of course our owners want to sell the Mem. The three things they want is the team to progress the stadium to be sold and a new one built and proper training facilities to be built. Where have you been ? I am still waiting for 'the team to progress', I think most people realise that Rovers need a central midfielder ( or 2 ) and a centre forward, better than those in the squad now. They will cost,and i dont see any money being available to buy them, with a bit more quality in the team Rovers could have had a point at Scunthorpe ( they arent great) as teams progress up the divisions they need strengthening,its not nuclear science. maybe dc believes that clarke sinclair lines and mansell are fine for the job in hand,,we dont know if the scunthorpe result means we are a worse side than them yet surely? after about 15 games the league table will have some meaning but not yet imo. dc has a budget like every manager and has to work within its confines. also dc may well believe he has strengthened the team after all we have 5 new players?
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 26, 2016 20:27:30 GMT
I am still waiting for 'the team to progress', I think most people realise that Rovers need a central midfielder ( or 2 ) and a centre forward, better than those in the squad now. They will cost,and i dont see any money being available to buy them, with a bit more quality in the team Rovers could have had a point at Scunthorpe ( they arent great) as teams progress up the divisions they need strengthening,its not nuclear science. maybe dc believes that clarke sinclair lines and mansell are fine for the job in hand,,we dont know if the scunthorpe result means we are a worse side than them yet surely? after about 15 games the league table will have some meaning but not yet imo. dc has a budget like every manager and has to work within its confines. also dc may well believe he has strengthened the team after all we have 5 new players? I agree that the players who have come in will strengthen the squad (rather than the team) particularly Hartley as I always thought that Parkes/ Mchrystal needed replacing. My point though is that to get CM or CF of any quality will cost, even Blissett cost something and Gaffney, now that was under the last board so this lot need to do better !
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 26, 2016 20:41:47 GMT
So far we've improved the numbers but I'm not convinced we've improved the quality that much. Hartley may be slightly better than Parkes but James is a bit part player, Moore probably similar when he eventually gets fit and the two loan signings this week do not sound like guaranteed starters or definite improvements to our starting 11.
I'm hoping our best bit of business - other than resigning players from last seasons squad - is still to come and a quality CM joins next week.
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 26, 2016 20:47:06 GMT
So far we've improved the numbers but I'm not convinced we've improved the quality that much. Hartley may be slightly better than Parkes but James is a bit part player, Moore probably similar when he eventually gets fit and the two loan signings this week do not sound like guaranteed starters or definite improvements to our starting 11. I'm hoping our best bit of business - other than resigning players from last seasons squad - is still to come and a quality CM joins next week. I am hoping the same but not really execting it to happen .
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Post by socrates on Aug 26, 2016 20:50:47 GMT
No what I meant was Burtons record signing is £300,000 our record signing was worth more. Of course our owners want to sell the Mem. The three things they want is the team to progress the stadium to be sold and a new one built and proper training facilities to be built. Where have you been ? I am still waiting for 'the team to progress', I think most people realise that Rovers need a central midfielder ( or 2 ) and a centre forward, better than those in the squad now. They will cost,and i dont see any money being available to buy them, with a bit more quality in the team Rovers could have had a point at Scunthorpe ( they arent great) as teams progress up the divisions they need strengthening,its not nuclear science. Why would you "see the money " though ? Waels not going to show you his money is he your a supporter not the manager and you and I don't know what our budget is. I think we have progressed as a squad steadily throughout these last two years. I've got no doubt that our squad was stronger last season than it was the season before and this season we look stronger again. That's progression don't you think ? Id like to see it strengthen again of course what fan doesn't want to their club progress.? We all do , that's why the majority of us Gasheads have been absolutely buzzing these last two years, we can see that progression. Some new signings this week too I can't wait for tomorrow, let's face it Lawrence aside he hasn't really made many mistakes in the transfer market and even Lawrence played a part in some good wins last season. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 20:59:21 GMT
maybe dc believes that clarke sinclair lines and mansell are fine for the job in hand,,we dont know if the scunthorpe result means we are a worse side than them yet surely? after about 15 games the league table will have some meaning but not yet imo. dc has a budget like every manager and has to work within its confines. also dc may well believe he has strengthened the team after all we have 5 new players? I agree that the players who have come in will strengthen the squad (rather than the team) particularly Hartley as I always thought that Parkes/ Mchrystal needed replacing. My point though is that to get CM or CF of any quality will cost, even Blissett cost something and Gaffney, now that was under the last board so this lot need to do better ! what i mean is that maybe dc dosnt feel the need to strengthen the areas you want to? we have 4 centre midfield players and 4 strikers maybe he thinks there good enough for the job in hand in the context of the available budget?
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Post by dinsdale on Aug 26, 2016 21:01:30 GMT
I'm thinking that there's quite a few on here tonight who want everything now or yesterday and aren't prepared wait and see how this evolution not revolution thing pans out. When Higgs was Chairman it was wholesale changes left right and centre all the time and we went through years of dross. Finally for the first time in donkeys years we've got steady progression and there are people who can't see that and are calling our board to splash out on big names when we've just won two consecutive promotions for the first time in our clubs history. You couldn't make it up !!! I think after being bought out by very rich investors and also with the additional gate receipts and season ticket revenue we may have invested a bit more i.mn having a good go at league 1. Call me picky if you want but i was suprised. I think we are a little slow in pre season putting our team together but lets hope for another DC miracle
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Post by socrates on Aug 26, 2016 21:02:43 GMT
So far we've improved the numbers but I'm not convinced we've improved the quality that much. Hartley may be slightly better than Parkes but James is a bit part player, Moore probably similar when he eventually gets fit and the two loan signings this week do not sound like guaranteed starters or definite improvements to our starting 11. I'm hoping our best bit of business - other than resigning players from last seasons squad - is still to come and a quality CM joins next week. You say James is a bit part player but he's hardly played yet he could go on to be one of our players of the season lets give our signings a chance eh ? "Moore probably similar " based on what exactly ?? Bodin didn't start that well but finished the season as our best attacking player bar probably Taylor last season. There's lots of talk about how we desperately need new signings after winning back to back promotions but in so many people's eyes those new signings quickly become bit part players or only squad players after a handful of appearances. Nobody had ever heard of Matty Taylor or Stuart Sinclair when they signed and most were underwhelmed and worried we'd end up in the conference south remember ? Two games ago Hartley was regarded as not really any better than Parkes and not an improvement signing and now he's suddenly much better because he's scored a couple ! Makes me laugh sometimes this forum.
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 26, 2016 21:09:17 GMT
I agree that the players who have come in will strengthen the squad (rather than the team) particularly Hartley as I always thought that Parkes/ Mchrystal needed replacing. My point though is that to get CM or CF of any quality will cost, even Blissett cost something and Gaffney, now that was under the last board so this lot need to do better ! what i mean is that maybe dc dosnt feel the need to strengthen the areas you want to? we have 4 centre midfield players and 4 strikers maybe he thinks there good enough for the job in hand in the context of the available budget? I wonder ? we will never know what DC would really like to do will we ? You been have going to Rovers a long time,when Megson got promotion he never strengthened the team,why was that ? was he happy or was there no money ? anyway the team struggled and attendances went down. Look at city,they smashed this division went up and Cotteril never strengthened,the team struggled he got sacked. Look at Liverpool when they were winning everything,they still brought in 1 or 2 players every year to make the team better. When you go up you need to get better quality in,standing still is stagnation, I dont believe this 'evolution not revolution' bullshit,I wonder how much they paid some PR man to come up with that flannel ? remember 'no buy no sell' ?.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 21:15:47 GMT
what i mean is that maybe dc dosnt feel the need to strengthen the areas you want to? we have 4 centre midfield players and 4 strikers maybe he thinks there good enough for the job in hand in the context of the available budget? I wonder ? we will never know what DC would really like to do will we ? You been have going to Rovers a long time,when Megson got promotion he never strengthened the team,why was that ? was he happy or was there no money ? anyway the team struggled and attendances went down. Look at city,they smashed this division went up and Cotteril never strengthened,the team struggled he got sacked. Look at Liverpool when they were winning everything,they still brought in 1 or 2 players every year to make the team better. When you go up you need to get better quality in,standing still is stagnation, I dont believe this 'evolution not revolution' bullshit,I wonder how much they paid some PR man to come up with that flannel ? remember 'no buy no sell' ?. i take your points but we have signed 5 players so the board have invested money in the project,the players we have signed do actually exist it just remains to be seen if they are good enough to make us a top half team.
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 26, 2016 21:25:12 GMT
I wonder ? we will never know what DC would really like to do will we ? You been have going to Rovers a long time,when Megson got promotion he never strengthened the team,why was that ? was he happy or was there no money ? anyway the team struggled and attendances went down. Look at city,they smashed this division went up and Cotteril never strengthened,the team struggled he got sacked. Look at Liverpool when they were winning everything,they still brought in 1 or 2 players every year to make the team better. When you go up you need to get better quality in,standing still is stagnation, I dont believe this 'evolution not revolution' bullshit,I wonder how much they paid some PR man to come up with that flannel ? remember 'no buy no sell' ?. i take your points but we have signed 5 players so the board have invested money in the project,the players we have signed do actually exist it just remains to be seen if they are good enough to make us a top half team. Bill Dogin and then Don Megson had to spend on players in certain positions to make Rovers promotion contenders. I think that decent CM and CF ( better than whats in the squad now ) will cost, as I said Blissett and Gaffney did. No point in getting anyone in if they are no improvement on whats already here, Blisset wasnt up to Division 2 so Gaffney was brought in. I am not knocking the players who have come in,I have only seen Hartley so far really and he looks good,experienced and calm and brings a threat at corners,but Rovers need to build a better midfield to get anywhere.
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Post by socrates on Aug 26, 2016 21:27:56 GMT
what i mean is that maybe dc dosnt feel the need to strengthen the areas you want to? we have 4 centre midfield players and 4 strikers maybe he thinks there good enough for the job in hand in the context of the available budget? I wonder ? we will never know what DC would really like to do will we ? You been have going to Rovers a long time,when Megson got promotion he never strengthened the team,why was that ? was he happy or was there no money ? anyway the team struggled and attendances went down. Look at city,they smashed this division went up and Cotteril never strengthened,the team struggled he got sacked. Look at Liverpool when they were winning everything,they still brought in 1 or 2 players every year to make the team better. When you go up you need to get better quality in,standing still is stagnation, I dont believe this 'evolution not revolution' bullshit,I wonder how much they paid some PR man to come up with that flannel ? remember 'no buy no sell' ?. Thing is we have brought in one or two players every season to make the team better yet you still " don't believe the evolution not revolution bullshit " !!!! I don't know Wael or DC personally but I honestly reckon that the Evolution not revolution thing was the line layed down by DC in a board meeting when Wael and co bought the club, because although he probably knew that by laying his way down there and then it could be 50/50 that he'd be on his way he could see that that was what had worked and that was the way he wanted to manage the squad. Where as most new billionaire owners would just bring in a big name manager and splash the cash Wael being a football man could see what DC has built and decided that he was willing to do it the DC way. He trusted him that he knew the club better than anybody most of all himself and trusted him to "keep up the good work." How many times have we heard Wael say we want Darrell to " keep up the good work " ? Pretty much every interview. Im not in the know and I haven't got any sources but i know my club and I'm a good judge of character and that's my gut instinct and my opinion. It might all go tits up and we might go down but that's what I reckon has happened and I'm on the bus and I've been enjoying these last couple of years doing it the DC way. Let's hope it continues. Also City were in decline under Cotteril because he was tactically stupid, the formation he was using was Sussed out early on and he refused to change it, DC mixes things up and whilst there will always be people complaining about "tinkering" it's that very tinkering that has brought us success.
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Post by markczgas on Aug 26, 2016 21:36:14 GMT
I am still waiting for 'the team to progress', I think most people realise that Rovers need a central midfielder ( or 2 ) and a centre forward, better than those in the squad now. They will cost,and i dont see any money being available to buy them, with a bit more quality in the team Rovers could have had a point at Scunthorpe ( they arent great) as teams progress up the divisions they need strengthening,its not nuclear science. Why would you "see the money " though ? Waels not going to show you his money is he your a supporter not the manager and you and I don't know what our budget is. I think we have progressed as a squad steadily throughout these last two years. I've got no doubt that our squad was stronger last season than it was the season before and this season we look stronger again. That's progression don't you think ? Id like to see it strengthen again of course what fan doesn't want to their club progress.? We all do , that's why the majority of us Gasheads have been absolutely buzzing these last two years, we can see that progression. Some new signings this week too I can't wait for tomorrow, let's face it Lawrence aside he hasn't really made many mistakes in the transfer market and even Lawrence played a part in some good wins last season. UTG I think Lawrence is a quality player - he's just been very unlucky with injuries. Remember Easter had injuries after he arrived. Now he's fit he looks the part. I still believe Lawrence will too !
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 26, 2016 21:36:26 GMT
I wonder ? we will never know what DC would really like to do will we ? You been have going to Rovers a long time,when Megson got promotion he never strengthened the team,why was that ? was he happy or was there no money ? anyway the team struggled and attendances went down. Look at city,they smashed this division went up and Cotteril never strengthened,the team struggled he got sacked. Look at Liverpool when they were winning everything,they still brought in 1 or 2 players every year to make the team better. When you go up you need to get better quality in,standing still is stagnation, I dont believe this 'evolution not revolution' bullshit,I wonder how much they paid some PR man to come up with that flannel ? remember 'no buy no sell' ?. Thing is we have brought in one or two players every season to make the team better yet you still " don't believe the evolution not revolution bullshit " !!!! I don't know Wael or DC personally but I honestly reckon that the Evolution not revolution thing was the line layed down by DC in a board meeting when Wael and co bought the club, because although he probably knew that by laying his way down there and then it could be 50/50 that he'd be on his way he could see that that was what had worked and that was the way he wanted to manage the squad. Where as most new billionaire owners would just bring in a big name manager and splash the cash Wael being a football man could see what DC has built and decided that he was willing to do it the DC way. He trusted him that he knew the club better than anybody most of all himself and trusted him to "keep up the good work." How many times have we heard Wael say we want Darrell to " keep up the good work " ? Pretty much every interview. Im not in the know and I haven't got any sources but i know my club and I'm a good judge of character and that's my gut instinct and my opinion. It might all go tits up and we might go down but that's what I reckon has happened and I'm on the bus and I've been enjoying these last couple of years doing it the DC way. Let's hope it continues. Lets hope that you are right,I think that you can go so far with free signings and lets remember a fee was paid for Gaffney and Blisset. I think that I am a good judge of people and I dont rate badge kissing or getting carried shoulder high at celebrations for someone elses achievements ( DCs) people like that are usually greasy sh1thouses in my experience,but maybe this one is an exception.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 21:37:22 GMT
i take your points but we have signed 5 players so the board have invested money in the project,the players we have signed do actually exist it just remains to be seen if they are good enough to make us a top half team. Bill Dogin and then Don Megson had to spend on players in certain positions to make Rovers promotion contenders. I think that decent CM and CF ( better than whats in the squad now ) will cost, as I said Blissett and Gaffney did. No point in getting anyone in if they are no improvement on whats already here, Blisset wasnt up to Division 2 so Gaffney was brought in. I am not knocking the players who have come in,I have only seen Hartley so far really and he looks good,experienced and calm and brings a threat at corners,but Rovers need to build a better midfield to get anywhere. i would like to see us get a good central midfield player especially with mansell injured
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Post by socrates on Aug 26, 2016 21:42:10 GMT
Thing is we have brought in one or two players every season to make the team better yet you still " don't believe the evolution not revolution bullshit " !!!! I don't know Wael or DC personally but I honestly reckon that the Evolution not revolution thing was the line layed down by DC in a board meeting when Wael and co bought the club, because although he probably knew that by laying his way down there and then it could be 50/50 that he'd be on his way he could see that that was what had worked and that was the way he wanted to manage the squad. Where as most new billionaire owners would just bring in a big name manager and splash the cash Wael being a football man could see what DC has built and decided that he was willing to do it the DC way. He trusted him that he knew the club better than anybody most of all himself and trusted him to "keep up the good work." How many times have we heard Wael say we want Darrell to " keep up the good work " ? Pretty much every interview. Im not in the know and I haven't got any sources but i know my club and I'm a good judge of character and that's my gut instinct and my opinion. It might all go tits up and we might go down but that's what I reckon has happened and I'm on the bus and I've been enjoying these last couple of years doing it the DC way. Let's hope it continues. Lets hope that you are right,I think that you can go so far with free signings and lets remember a fee was paid for Gaffney and Blisset. I think that I am a good judge of people and I dont rate badge kissing or getting carried shoulder high at celebrations for someone elses achievements ( DCs) people like that are usually greasy sh1thouses in my experience,but maybe this one is an exception. [ Wael certainly doesn't come across as a greasy shithole to me. I know the bloke who carried him down Gloucester Road he he doesn't either.
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 26, 2016 21:47:53 GMT
Lets hope that you are right,I think that you can go so far with free signings and lets remember a fee was paid for Gaffney and Blisset. I think that I am a good judge of people and I dont rate badge kissing or getting carried shoulder high at celebrations for someone elses achievements ( DCs) people like that are usually greasy sh1thouses in my experience,but maybe this one is an exception. [ Wael certainly doesn't come across as a greasy shithole to me. I know the bloke who carried him down Gloucester Road he he doesn't either. He could quite easily have said 'put me down,it wasnt my achievement it was DC and I will help to carry him down Gloucester road' couldnt he ?
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 26, 2016 21:50:27 GMT
Bill Dogin and then Don Megson had to spend on players in certain positions to make Rovers promotion contenders. I think that decent CM and CF ( better than whats in the squad now ) will cost, as I said Blissett and Gaffney did. No point in getting anyone in if they are no improvement on whats already here, Blisset wasnt up to Division 2 so Gaffney was brought in. I am not knocking the players who have come in,I have only seen Hartley so far really and he looks good,experienced and calm and brings a threat at corners,but Rovers need to build a better midfield to get anywhere. i would like to see us get a good central midfield player especially with mansell injured Yes,and although I have thought that Mansell was good the last 2 seasons I dont think he has played at this level ? Any replacement should be better and younger,and that isnt going to be a freebie.
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