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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 20:30:22 GMT
I'll tell you what is a choice and that is if you want to be a homophobic pig or not. I have no problem with i. In fact I am proud of how much we accept homosexuality in this country. I know a Pakistani guy who I strongly suspect is gay but he is living a lie because his community and family would be ashamed of him if he was to come out. I think it is a very sad state of affaira and thank f**k we are not like that in this country. Homophobics can f**king do one as far as I am concerned! Up The gays (and straights)! Strange story... So he might not be living a lie at all then and is in fact living without fear of anything. Plus all those millions of people in the world who have their own beliefs and live their lives the way they feel is proper can do one according to you? Be careful you don't end up lonely!
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Post by countygroundhotel on Oct 28, 2016 20:33:04 GMT
Oh dear free speech out of the window again. What a pleasant chap (I'm guessing chap) you are. Obviously respecting other people is an extremely offensive trait to some...apologies! Oh sorry I missed the bit where you were respecting people. Wasn't your first contribution to the thread calling for someone to be banned? Very respectful. Suggest if you want respect then you should respect people's right to free speech.
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Post by inee on Oct 28, 2016 20:56:37 GMT
I'll tell you what is a choice and that is if you want to be a homophobic pig or not. I have no problem with i. In fact I am proud of how much we accept homosexuality in this country. I know a Pakistani guy who I strongly suspect is gay but he is living a lie because his community and family would be ashamed of him if he was to come out. I think it is a very sad state of affaira and thank f**k we are not like that in this country. Homophobics can f**king do one as far as I am concerned! Up The gays (and straights)! So basically you are saying you think someone might be gay based on whatever assumption, and if by chance someone who knew you and him from his community came on this forum. put 2+2 together as in oh thats him and that's him etc(based on your assumption) . you have just condemned him to a life of hell even if you were totally wrong. See in life sometimes you have to keep quiet rather than show your support for gays as if the above happened how would you feel then. Not sure if you truly realise how some of these communities can be , went to shop with a friend a while back within 10 minutes of getting into the car her husband rang and his first words were hello inee , in the 20 mins we had been in the car he had several texts telling him his wife was in a car with a man
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Post by inee on Oct 28, 2016 21:05:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 21:30:54 GMT
I'll tell you what is a choice and that is if you want to be a homophobic pig or not. I have no problem with i. In fact I am proud of how much we accept homosexuality in this country. I know a Pakistani guy who I strongly suspect is gay but he is living a lie because his community and family would be ashamed of him if he was to come out. I think it is a very sad state of affaira and thank f**k we are not like that in this country. Homophobics can f**king do one as far as I am concerned! Up The gays (and straights)! Lol, 'up the gays' That's how they usually take it!!!
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Post by wiaww on Oct 28, 2016 23:01:04 GMT
Spot on with that second paragraph. I didn't say being gay is an inherent trait, I inferred that sexuality is. Sexuality is, in the vast majority of cases, not a choice. If it were I would imagine that the countless historical examples of attempts to find a "cure" for homosexuality would have been considerably more successful - considering how horrendously grim the "treatments" were for the so-called patients. www.ushmm.org/wlc/mobile/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005261Why oh why does everyone go down your route to justify your perceptions, ffs is this supposed to shock anyone, why is it when people have no proof they dig up sh**e from ww2 as if it somehow makes one persons view more honourable than someone else's, if you had bothered to think about it and used your loaf ,you probably would have posted something that is truly shocking and not overly well known, and that is the fact that the uk used those very methods in institutions well after the war ended. Do you actually read wot i rite or do you just deliberately miss the point every time? I honestly can't tell.
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Post by LJG on Oct 29, 2016 1:01:14 GMT
Plenty of contributors to this thread are not actually reading what is written but just click click clicking the quote button as fast as they can. Some of the biggest culprits being the "moderators". Some remarkable similarities to the "A New Beginning"? thread in fact.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 4:54:40 GMT
Everyone is somewhere on the spectrum between Masculine and Feminine. The same with the spectrum between Gay and Straight. It is not a choice it is what it is. No, there are two genders, male and female. Bruce Jener, for example, is a male who suffers from dismorphia. Some people actually believe they are a cat on the inside, some people believe they are the reincarnated spirit of Napoleon. Sexuality is something that truly is a spectrum, but gender isn't. There are two genders, if someone is born one but believes they are another, or a mixture, they are suffering from a delusion.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 29, 2016 5:00:11 GMT
I'll tell you what is a choice and that is if you want to be a homophobic pig or not. I have no problem with i. In fact I am proud of how much we accept homosexuality in this country. I know a Pakistani guy who I strongly suspect is gay but he is living a lie because his community and family would be ashamed of him if he was to come out. I think it is a very sad state of affaira and thank f**k we are not like that in this country. Homophobics can f**king do one as far as I am concerned! Up The gays (and straights)! So basically you are saying you think someone might be gay based on whatever assumption, and if by chance someone who knew you and him from his community came on this forum. put 2+2 together as in oh thats him and that's him etc(based on your assumption) . you have just condemned him to a life of hell even if you were totally wrong. See in life sometimes you have to keep quiet rather than show your support for gays as if the above happened how would you feel then. Not sure if you truly realise how some of these communities can be , went to shop with a friend a while back within 10 minutes of getting into the car her husband rang and his first words were hello inee , in the 20 mins we had been in the car he had several texts telling him his wife was in a car with a man That is highly unlikely if you knew the situation to be honest. And would be unfortunate. Being a homophobe isn't unforunate. As for keeping quiet, you could have done with listening to your own advice there a few pages back.
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 29, 2016 7:02:06 GMT
so in essence what you are saying is it's ok for dave to be intolerant towards chris because chris doesn't like what dave does ,but it's not ok for chris to be intolerant towards dave. when in real life both will think the other is a lady garden and not bother speaking to each other, what about colin you forgot colin, colin is just standing by his mate daves side as he chris's mate not daves, So how is this scenario any different to the one you typed No, that's not what I'm saying. Both may think the other a c*nt, but only one of them is correct. I've explained quite clearly why in the post you replied to. In your opinion, only one is correct. In my opinion, you`re not one iota more tolerant than someone who openly expresses their dislike of homosexuals.
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 29, 2016 7:10:04 GMT
I'll tell you what is a choice and that is if you want to be a homophobic pig or not. I have no problem with i. In fact I am proud of how much we accept homosexuality in this country. I know a Pakistani guy who I strongly suspect is gay but he is living a lie because his community and family would be ashamed of him if he was to come out. I think it is a very sad state of affaira and thank f**k we are not like that in this country. Good point. I wonder what percentage of Muslim fans who go to watch Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool etc, would stop going, if their club signed an openly gay player. Higher or lower than 8%?
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 29, 2016 8:32:53 GMT
Everyone is somewhere on the spectrum between Masculine and Feminine. The same with the spectrum between Gay and Straight. It is not a choice it is what it is. No, there are two genders, male and female. Bruce Jener, for example, is a male who suffers from dismorphia. Some people actually believe they are a cat on the inside, some people believe they are the reincarnated spirit of Napoleon. Sexuality is something that truly is a spectrum, but gender isn't. There are two genders, if someone is born one but believes they are another, or a mixture, they are suffering from a delusion.
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 29, 2016 8:33:18 GMT
hermaphrodites
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Post by cagastrophy on Oct 29, 2016 8:44:14 GMT
Free speech, does it exist? Now that's a good thread title. I think it should, but the second that speech threatens the speech of another then it should be stopped, now that makes a quandary doesn't it! Also this is an internet forum, it's moderated by a diverse group of individuals, each with different opinions. Also the owner of the server has a say on what it hosts so 'free speech' can't actually exist here.
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Post by cagastrophy on Oct 29, 2016 8:46:27 GMT
I'll tell you what is a choice and that is if you want to be a homophobic pig or not. I have no problem with i. In fact I am proud of how much we accept homosexuality in this country. I know a Pakistani guy who I strongly suspect is gay but he is living a lie because his community and family would be ashamed of him if he was to come out. I think it is a very sad state of affaira and thank f**k we are not like that in this country. Good point. I wonder what percentage of Muslim fans who go to watch Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool etc, would stop going, if their club signed an openly gay player. Higher or lower than 8%? The same could go for a Catholic, Sikh, Jehovah's Witness, Hindu, many others no doubt there's prejudice in most religions, especially amongst the devout.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 9:20:45 GMT
Good point. I wonder what percentage of Muslim fans who go to watch Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool etc, would stop going, if their club signed an openly gay player. Higher or lower than 8%? The same could go for a Catholic, Sikh, Jehovah's Witness, Hindu, many others no doubt there's prejudice in most religions, especially amongst the devout. None of those religions are actively pursuing the death penalty for homosexuality, not since the enlightenment.
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Post by althepirate on Oct 29, 2016 9:54:30 GMT
Free speech, does it exist? Now that's a good thread title. I think it should, but the second that speech threatens the speech of another then it should be stopped, now that makes a quandary doesn't it! Also this is an internet forum, it's moderated by a diverse group of individuals, each with different opinions. Also the owner of the server has a say on what it hosts so 'free speech' can't actually exist here. Havent we just had fourteen pages of free speech, Hugo doesnt seem much of a tyrant
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 29, 2016 10:22:31 GMT
Free speech, does it exist? Now that's a good thread title. I think it should, but the second that speech threatens the speech of another then it should be stopped, now that makes a quandary doesn't it! Also this is an internet forum, it's moderated by a diverse group of individuals, each with different opinions. Also the owner of the server has a say on what it hosts so 'free speech' can't actually exist here. Havent we just had fourteen pages of free speech, Hugo doesnt seem much of a tyrant Lol. Its true that this thread has gone unmoderated but the poster you quoted is indeed correct. There not completely free speech on this forum or any other internet forum I imagine. Our hosts would not allow it even if we would. This is the world we live in.
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Post by edgar on Oct 29, 2016 11:32:25 GMT
I think the title of this thread is wrong, most people would probably champion a gay rovers player. The more pertinent question is who, if an opposition player was gay, would join in with abusive chants towards them. Given how readily people sing stuff against Brighton, as well as the existence of other offensive chants (where's your caravan?), makes me believe this number would be far higher, maybe even a majority. It would follow said player from game to game and that (along with hostility from team mates) is probably why there are no openly gay footballers.
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Post by inee on Oct 29, 2016 12:09:50 GMT
Why oh why does everyone go down your route to justify your perceptions, ffs is this supposed to shock anyone, why is it when people have no proof they dig up sh**e from ww2 as if it somehow makes one persons view more honourable than someone else's, if you had bothered to think about it and used your loaf ,you probably would have posted something that is truly shocking and not overly well known, and that is the fact that the uk used those very methods in institutions well after the war ended. Do you actually read wot i rite or do you just deliberately miss the point every time? I honestly can't tell. yup i do read your posts, however the link you posted was what i was referring to, is it a strange phenomenon of the internet, that when any discussion gets going someone will always link back no matter what the subject to the nsdap during the 30's. I merely pointed out that gays were treated in a much worse way in this country after the war ended, and suggested that if you dint click on the first google link you posted and looked a little deeper you would have found something that not a lot of people knew happened in this country ( i have to state at this point it wasn't just gays who were treated in this way but also the disabled both mentally and physically) . However if you had linked to an article that told how gays were treated in this country i would have had a lot more respect for you as i knew people in the nuthouse were treated like that but not gay men. I also posted a link to a book about the legality of anal sex in this country from the view of a censor (good read) . i will ask have you read my posts as i have said i don't agree with it, and i believe it to be a choice, ( i have also said many times over that just because i don't agree with something why is your opinion anymore valid than mine). The reason threads like this drift into so many different subjects is that many are linked as in the fact that other sections of society have been treated far worse, but this is always overlooked in many discutions so get bought in to add a balance. Do i agree with the voluntary and not so voluntary cures, do i agree with the army officer who was murdered by the system whilst seeking a cure (which was then covered up. No i fookin do not it's wrong, Do i wish ill on gays nope i dont. From reading your post you say it's not a choice which i infers (like a lot of people mention that you are born that way) ,you then say you meant people dont have a choice over intrinsic urges, so which is it as both are very different things. I have also stated that if conclusive proof can be shown that it is not a choice, then i have to change my opinion on that point, however for every study published that says it's genetic, there's one that says it's a choice. I have also stated that i hate my gay nephew with a vengeance but get on well with his boyfriend(i've said this in other thread) but the vast majority fire back the homophobic label , i just detest the ophobic label just because i don't like it it doesnt mean i fear them, it doesnt mean i want em all lined up against a wall, it simply means i don't agree with what they do , In the same way that many gays dislike hetro's but thats ok isn't it. The bottom line is this, if you were gay would i speak to you yes, would i buy you a pint and have a chat yes, would i respect your right to be gay even though i disagree with it yes, but how many would do the same but respect my right to disagree
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