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Post by althepirate on Oct 29, 2016 12:13:33 GMT
No, there are two genders, male and female. Bruce Jener, for example, is a male who suffers from dismorphia. Some people actually believe they are a cat on the inside, some people believe they are the reincarnated spirit of Napoleon. Sexuality is something that truly is a spectrum, but gender isn't. There are two genders, if someone is born one but believes they are another, or a mixture, they are suffering from a delusion. That's interesting, a male friend of ours is transgender. My wife refers to him as 'she' I struggle with that and refer to him as 'he' between ourselves. One of many decisions to make, like which public toilet does he use?
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Post by inee on Oct 29, 2016 12:18:51 GMT
So basically you are saying you think someone might be gay based on whatever assumption, and if by chance someone who knew you and him from his community came on this forum. put 2+2 together as in oh thats him and that's him etc(based on your assumption) . you have just condemned him to a life of hell even if you were totally wrong. See in life sometimes you have to keep quiet rather than show your support for gays as if the above happened how would you feel then. Not sure if you truly realise how some of these communities can be , went to shop with a friend a while back within 10 minutes of getting into the car her husband rang and his first words were hello inee , in the 20 mins we had been in the car he had several texts telling him his wife was in a car with a man That is highly unlikely if you knew the situation to be honest. And would be unfortunate. Being a homophobe isn't unforunate. As for keeping quiet, you could have done with listening to your own advice there a few pages back. What i was trying to say is you could have put it slightly different as in a mate (that way it could be anyone) rather than narrowing it down to his nationality. do you mind if i ask his religion, if you don't want to post it here pm me. As for keeping quiet, why should i , wouldn't your rather people were honest about stuff rather than just bumbling through life agreeing with whichever bandwagon is wheeled out this week, or do you really think that ignorance is bliss, let me ask you this how many people who say yes i agree with ggmi and others are just saying it but in reality dont agree at all
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Post by inee on Oct 29, 2016 12:19:37 GMT
If you need a label the that would be Bi
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Post by sfdgas on Oct 29, 2016 12:31:02 GMT
Have been a reader of this forum, and previous forums, for many years and have never posted. But can't resist on this one.
One of the things that frustrates me more than anything, is people demanding their opinions to be respected. What should be respected is someone's right to an opinion and their liberty to express that opinion.
The opinion itself, such as believeling homosexuality is a choice, can be ridiculed to no end. Just because you have an opinion, does not change the facts. If I said that in my opinion the earth was flat, it would not make it so. And anyone who was repulsed or upset by my opinion are well within their rights to be.
You are more than entitled to believe that homosexuality is a choice. But the science overwhelmingly shows that it is not. More to the point, homosexual people say it is not! And we've no reason to doubt them.
I respect your right to hold the opinion homosexuality is a choice. But that doesn't mean you are correct, you are in fact, wholly incorrect.
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Post by inee on Oct 29, 2016 12:43:31 GMT
The same could go for a Catholic, Sikh, Jehovah's Witness, Hindu, many others no doubt there's prejudice in most religions, especially amongst the devout. None of those religions are actively pursuing the death penalty for homosexuality, not since the enlightenment. Not in this country no, but don't forget the catholic church is terrible world wide, a couple of others you mentioned still kill abroad for many reasons due to faith, there is one religion you forgot to mention that is up there with the muslim and catholic religions
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 29, 2016 13:13:40 GMT
Have been a reader of this forum, and previous forums, for many years and have never posted. But can't resist on this one. One of the things that frustrates me more than anything, is people demanding their opinions to be respected. What should be respected is someone's right to an opinion and their liberty to express that opinion. The opinion itself, such as believeling homosexuality is a choice, can be ridiculed to no end. Just because you have an opinion, does not change the facts. If I said that in my opinion the earth was flat, it would not make it so. And anyone who was repulsed or upset by my opinion are well within their rights to be. You are more than entitled to believe that homosexuality is a choice. But the science overwhelmingly shows that it is not. More to the point, homosexual people say it is not! And we've no reason to doubt them. I respect your right to hold the opinion homosexuality is a choice. But that doesn't mean you are correct, you are in fact, wholly incorrect. Surely, nobody in their right mind would choose to be homosexual. I mean, Jesus, that`s gonna hurt in the morning.
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Post by althepirate on Oct 29, 2016 13:54:59 GMT
After a great deal of serious thinking, I have decided to come out. If I walk fast I will just about make kick off.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Oct 29, 2016 14:58:15 GMT
Have been a reader of this forum, and previous forums, for many years and have never posted. But can't resist on this one. One of the things that frustrates me more than anything, is people demanding their opinions to be respected. What should be respected is someone's right to an opinion and their liberty to express that opinion. The opinion itself, such as believeling homosexuality is a choice, can be ridiculed to no end. Just because you have an opinion, does not change the facts. If I said that in my opinion the earth was flat, it would not make it so. And anyone who was repulsed or upset by my opinion are well within their rights to be. You are more than entitled to believe that homosexuality is a choice. But the science overwhelmingly shows that it is not. More to the point, homosexual people say it is not! And we've no reason to doubt them. I respect your right to hold the opinion homosexuality is a choice. But that doesn't mean you are correct, you are in fact, wholly incorrect. People are confusing choice on this thread. Inherently or genetically you maybe proposed to something being gay or left handed or violent for instance . The choice people make consciously or sub consciously is to not change. That's the choice and people make choices every minute of their lives what they choose is up to them as long as it's not an illegal act but no-one can be forced to agree with the choices other people make.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 17:19:24 GMT
Can anyone explain the huge, huge number of gay men who formerly had children with female patters, only to divorce? I know one person who did this.
Just curious to understand, if the science says it's built-in, how can this happen? I am heterosexual, I could not achieve an erectikn for a male. How do gay men achieve an erection to inpregnate a female?
How does this work? Is homosexuality a random trigger?
I'm sorry to throw a cat amongst the pigeons but I do know a very old gay man through work who once told me that he did have girlfriends but chose to be gay.
I find the whole thing confusing.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 29, 2016 17:53:29 GMT
Can anyone explain the huge, huge number of gay men who formerly had children with female patters, only to divorce? I know one person who did this. Just curious to understand, if the science says it's built-in, how can this happen? I am heterosexual, I could not achieve an erectikn for a male. How do gay men achieve an erection to inpregnate a female? How does this work? Is homosexuality a random trigger? I'm sorry to throw a cat amongst the pigeons but I do know a very old gay man through work who once told me that he did have girlfriends but chose to be gay. I find the whole thing confusing. Who cares if its nature or choice? Hating someone just because they are gay is ridiculous. I'm afraid I am unable to answer your questions. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 18:09:00 GMT
Can anyone explain the huge, huge number of gay men who formerly had children with female patters, only to divorce? I know one person who did this. Just curious to understand, if the science says it's built-in, how can this happen? I am heterosexual, I could not achieve an erectikn for a male. How do gay men achieve an erection to inpregnate a female? How does this work? Is homosexuality a random trigger? I'm sorry to throw a cat amongst the pigeons but I do know a very old gay man through work who once told me that he did have girlfriends but chose to be gay. I find the whole thing confusing. Who cares if its nature or choice? Hating someone just because they are gay is ridiculous. I'm afraid I am unable to answer your questions. Sorry. I don't care either way, I do not hate people for either choosing to be gay or not. I could not give a monkies, I'm just musing on the point which has been venhememtly stated that it is not a choice - indeed, one poster has been rounded on by many as a subject of ridicule because he believes it's a choice. I generally believe it is NOT a choice, but it is contradicted by folks gender and sexuality swapping. Oh the rich tapestry of life I am content to accept its just something that is.
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Post by manorfarmgas on Oct 29, 2016 18:45:40 GMT
Have been a reader of this forum, and previous forums, for many years and have never posted. But can't resist on this one. One of the things that frustrates me more than anything, is people demanding their opinions to be respected. What should be respected is someone's right to an opinion and their liberty to express that opinion. The opinion itself, such as believeling homosexuality is a choice, can be ridiculed to no end. Just because you have an opinion, does not change the facts. If I said that in my opinion the earth was flat, it would not make it so. And anyone who was repulsed or upset by my opinion are well within their rights to be. You are more than entitled to believe that homosexuality is a choice. But the science overwhelmingly shows that it is not. More to the point, homosexual people say it is not! And we've no reason to doubt them. I respect your right to hold the opinion homosexuality is a choice. But that doesn't mean you are correct, you are in fact, wholly incorrect. People are confusing choice on this thread. Inherently or genetically you maybe proposed to something being gay or left handed or violent for instance . The choice people make consciously or sub consciously is to not change. That's the choice and people make choices every minute of their lives what they choose is up to them as long as it's not an illegal act but no-one can be forced to agree with the choices other people make. This gets more risible as the thread continues. So let me get this right - the idea is that by refusing to repress your natural gay sexual urges, you're choosing to be gay. Excellent. I hadn't thought I had chosen to be born a man, but you've now educated me that I've in fact made a choice by refraining from having a sex change. I have friend who is 5'2". I will inform him that he has chosen to be short due to his failure to undergo a stretching regimen on a medieval torture rack. Please. Give up these tawdry arguments - 'at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency?'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 19:18:15 GMT
People are confusing choice on this thread. Inherently or genetically you maybe proposed to something being gay or left handed or violent for instance . The choice people make consciously or sub consciously is to not change. That's the choice and people make choices every minute of their lives what they choose is up to them as long as it's not an illegal act but no-one can be forced to agree with the choices other people make. This gets more risible as the thread continues. So let me get this right - the idea is that by refusing to repress your natural gay sexual urges, you're choosing to be gay. Excellent. I hadn't thought I had chosen to be born a man, but you've now educated me that I've in fact made a choice by refraining from having a sex change. I have friend who is 5'2". I will inform him that he has chosen to be short due to his failure to undergo a stretching regimen on a medieval torture rack. Please. Give up these tawdry arguments - 'at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency?' Genuinely,??
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Post by dinsdale on Oct 29, 2016 19:26:27 GMT
We should support anyone who gives their all in the blue and white. If one of our own took the difficult decision to come out i would be proud to support that.
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Post by aghast on Oct 29, 2016 20:16:13 GMT
We should support anyone gives their all in the blue and white. If one of our own took the difficult decision to come out i would be proud to support that. 15 pages in and we have the best post of the lot.
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Post by dinsdale on Oct 29, 2016 21:01:52 GMT
Its just simple, the most important thing in the world is love and it really makes no difference to any of us whether a player loves a man or a woman. If coming out us a tough thing to do then they need our support. One gashead army
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 21:41:08 GMT
Its just simple, the most important thing in the world is love and it really makes no difference to any of us whether a player loves a man or a woman. If coming out us a tough thing to do then they need our support. One gashead army What if you don't believe in homosexuality? Why support something that is contrary to your beliefs/religion/taste?
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Post by dinsdale on Oct 30, 2016 6:15:33 GMT
Its not illegal, its not harming you just get behind the blue and white
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Post by althepirate on Oct 30, 2016 7:03:36 GMT
With regard to the question of choice IMO we arrive at feelings we don't choose but it's our choice whether we act upon them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 7:30:32 GMT
Still waiting on an idea of how the BBC got the stat for people not turning up of 8%.
Just to get this in perspective, this isn't just the odd person as we have here who might be slightly old fashioned in their view but still would support them, this is someone saying "a gay player? Right, that's me finished with my club"
Can anyone seriously say that they know that 8% of fans would boycott their team? Total horse sh**.
How did they get these stats? We're these fact checked?
What are the motivations for twisting the facts to make it more of an issue than it is?
Please, God, dismantle the BBC and chuck every stone into the North Sea! Actually, just the national news website which is almost an exclusive Gay and ethnic minority rights/racism news board. With the odd bullshit story about the war and how we are with the "good" ones from ISIS
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