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Post by Blackbeard on Jan 3, 2017 21:20:16 GMT
I got shot down in 2016 but I still want to redevelop the mem.......
Just saying......tiptoes out to watch the darts ..........
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 22:24:15 GMT
If this is the case, wonder if we will go with the min 21700 or put more seats in now we are no longer run like a chip shop
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 22:35:00 GMT
I hope we are seriously looking at alternative sites that could hold the stadium we want to build. could be a good card to have to play against the UWE to try force them into a decision. The hold up over the cost of land/ownership is just pure greed on Thier part. Universities around the country already rob students of 10'000 each year. they are absolutely rolling in money. It's getting to a point now where UWE are taking the P!$$ How many alternative sites do you think there are?, it has taken the club more than thirty years to find this site. This as far as we know is a joint venture with UWE. I really don't think it's a good idea to start making unfounded accusations while negotiations are taking place. It hasn't taken 30 years to find this site. We have had 4/5 other sites which haven't got this far. Just imagine if we'd secured Carson's Rd all those years ago?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 3, 2017 22:53:08 GMT
Well somebody is clearly talking BS on this thread, either the OP didn't have a conversation with SH about the UWE, or SH was lying when he said he hoped to make an announcement shortly, or Gasincider must be wrong when he claims the UWE now want double for their land.
The OP seems to have no reason to start this thread if the conversation didn't take place, so it must be SH or Gasincider who've got their facts wrong?
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 4, 2017 1:38:38 GMT
Well somebody is clearly talking BS on this thread, either the OP didn't have a conversation with SH about the UWE, or SH was lying when he said he hoped to make an announcement shortly, or Gasincider must be wrong when he claims the UWE now want double for their land. The OP seems to have no reason to start this thread if the conversation didn't take place, so it must be SH or Gasincider who've got their facts wrong? The whole forum discussion on this is just one giant headfuck, and every time I look at a UWE post I regret it. Just keeping the fingers crossed and hoping for the best is the best way for now, I think!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 6:24:46 GMT
Will today be the day?
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Post by pudseygas on Jan 4, 2017 8:39:57 GMT
Dunno. What's the forecast?
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Post by knowall on Jan 4, 2017 9:48:44 GMT
How many alternative sites do you think there are?, it has taken the club more than thirty years to find this site. This as far as we know is a joint venture with UWE. I really don't think it's a good idea to start making unfounded accusations while negotiations are taking place. Three potential sites have been mentioned by S Gloucs, but the probable most likely one is off the ring road near Emersons Green by the Sainsbury's (it would be) depot. The club didn't find this (UWE) site. UWE approached Rovers. Its not a joint venture , it will be wholly owned by Rovers. UWE wanted the land to be leased, but we want ownership of the site. The cost was to be covered by naming rights in favour of UWE. Approx £8m each way. Now UWE want almost twice as much apparently. What would you call them? Now we come to what SH has supposedly said to a Gashead on the train yesterday. Fingers crossed 🤞 UWE have every right to ask for whatever they feel is the value of the land freehold. There is a world of difference between freehold and leasehold values. Eastville was an example of that
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 4, 2017 10:03:31 GMT
Well somebody is clearly talking BS on this thread, either the OP didn't have a conversation with SH about the UWE, or SH was lying when he said he hoped to make an announcement shortly, or Gasincider must be wrong when he claims the UWE now want double for their land. The OP seems to have no reason to start this thread if the conversation didn't take place, so it must be SH or Gasincider who've got their facts wrong? Do elaborate why someone is talking BS? Obviously UWE now want something more or the deal would already be done. Has SH at anytime denied UWE don't want double whatever the notional price of the land was in the NH deal? Has SH or Wael said we won't be paying the new price? Has gasincider said that UWE won't negotiate on the land cost? You obviously know who is telling BS so can you confirm who it is please?
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Post by gasincider on Jan 4, 2017 10:22:25 GMT
Well somebody is clearly talking BS on this thread, either the OP didn't have a conversation with SH about the UWE, or SH was lying when he said he hoped to make an announcement shortly, or Gasincider must be wrong when he claims the UWE now want double for their land. The OP seems to have no reason to start this thread if the conversation didn't take place, so it must be SH or Gasincider who've got their facts wrong? Not my facts Topper, Waels. In fact when he said it was all about the cost of the land, and he didn't say doubled, he said it was ridiculous money. Of course, for the sake of headlines, you leave out the one scenario that fits all the threads you mention. I know what Wael said to me and so do at least 7 or 8 others. So to fit the overall issue, how about, two months ago UWE were asking ridiculous money, talks have been ongoing in the meantime, there has been a shift in both positions, and the gap is now surmountable, and the final pieces, legal etc are being put in place, to hopefully lead to an announcement shortly. This is my hoped for solution as opposed to trying to be clever. I can't possibly gain from lying about any of it, and nor would SH. But I see what you mean. It's not so headline grabbing as , one of gasincider or SH is bullshitting. But for no known reason you accept the op isn't lying. Why? You really ought to get out more Topper. Put the keyboard down and have a stroll in the park. Much healthier. As it stands, I know what Wael said to a group of us at Millwall, I trust oldgas to be the same and isn't lying, what would he gain from it, and therefore, as I don't think SH is lying either, I hope my scenario is the correct one. So I think this should answer who is talking bullshit on this thread Topper, perhaps you know as well now.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jan 4, 2017 10:25:57 GMT
Well somebody is clearly talking BS on this thread, either the OP didn't have a conversation with SH about the UWE, or SH was lying when he said he hoped to make an announcement shortly, or Gasincider must be wrong when he claims the UWE now want double for their land. The OP seems to have no reason to start this thread if the conversation didn't take place, so it must be SH or Gasincider who've got their facts wrong? Do elaborate why someone is talking BS? Obviously UWE now want something more or the deal would already be done. Has SH at anytime denied UWE don't want double whatever the notional price of the land was in the NH deal? Has SH or Wael said we won't be paying the new price? Has gasincider said that UWE won't negotiate on the land cost? You obviously know who is telling BS so can you confirm who it is please? I'm not sure where this assumption has come from that UWE want a new price. I know it has been mentioned on here by those apparently ITK but I don't think it has been confirmed by anyone at the club. It is possible that the deal we originally had just wasn't a very good one and the new owners aren't willing to pay the price that NH originally negotiated. That is no fault of the UWE though if that's the case.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 4, 2017 10:40:13 GMT
I think the next couple of weeks could get very interesting in this matter
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 4, 2017 10:44:29 GMT
Do elaborate why someone is talking BS? Obviously UWE now want something more or the deal would already be done. Has SH at anytime denied UWE don't want double whatever the notional price of the land was in the NH deal? Has SH or Wael said we won't be paying the new price? Has gasincider said that UWE won't negotiate on the land cost? You obviously know who is telling BS so can you confirm who it is please? I'm not sure where this assumption has come from that UWE want a new price. I know it has been mentioned on here by those apparently ITK but I don't think it has been confirmed by anyone at the club. It is possible that the deal we originally had just wasn't a very good one and the new owners aren't willing to pay the price that NH originally negotiated. That is no fault of the UWE though if that's the case. Could be. I was just asking Topper how he knows someone is yelling BS
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 4, 2017 11:12:03 GMT
If we are a couple of weeks away from an announcement then how can this statement posted by Gasincider yesterday still be correct? "Now UWE want almost twice as much apparently. What would you call them?" Either UWE don't want double (£16m for the land) or we're nowhere near an announcement, unless that is Wael's found an extra £8m in his Xmas stocking to bridge the gap!
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Post by axegas on Jan 4, 2017 11:19:27 GMT
If we are a couple of weeks away from an announcement then how can this statement posted by Gasincider yesterday still be correct? "Now UWE want almost twice as much apparently. What would you call them?" Either UWE don't want double (£16m for the land) or we're nowhere near an announcement, unless that is Wael's found an extra £8m in his Xmas stocking to bridge the gap! Gasincider recieved his information after the millwall game, it's possible there has been further developments since then and both the club and uwe have come to an agreement. I think it's unlikely that Oldgas or gasincider are lying.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 4, 2017 11:31:56 GMT
I find it interesting that people are either blaming the UWE or Wael, Maybe the hold up is with the planning authority ?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 4, 2017 11:37:03 GMT
If we are a couple of weeks away from an announcement then how can this statement posted by Gasincider yesterday still be correct? "Now UWE want almost twice as much apparently. What would you call them?" Either UWE don't want double (£16m for the land) or we're nowhere near an announcement, unless that is Wael's found an extra £8m in his Xmas stocking to bridge the gap! It's called negotiations doesn't mean anyone is telling BS, the fact we can't say a deal is done obviously highlights that doesn't it? But carry on as normal believing or not believing whatever you read, the wind will change soon and you can change your view then.
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 4, 2017 11:44:47 GMT
Its all about offers and counter offers to get nearer an agreeable figure. In big business this often takes months and sometimes years. It depends how keen each party are to complete and what other options the other party has. I don't think any of the three parties are lying and that Steve Hamer, Oldpgas and Gasincider are all telling the truth. We just havbe to wait until the club finally makes an announcement and hope its a good one. Simples!!
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Post by bluebeard on Jan 4, 2017 11:59:41 GMT
I find it interesting that people are arguing over whose speculation is the most likely to be accurate. The FACTS are that the UWE project is not dead (yet) and negotiations regarding purchase of the freehold continue. UWE want the best deal they can get and so do we - the Feasibility Study has simply helped to define our walk away position. WAQ reassured us that a new stadium will be delivered come what may and SH seems to be implying that a positive announcement is imminent. A frustratingly slow process but at this late stage, neither party are going to go public with updates or specific figures. If and when an agreement is reached, I'm sure the reasons for the delay and the significance of the tenure will become apparent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 12:06:51 GMT
I think the next couple of weeks could get very interesting in this matter What have you heard then?
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