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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 19, 2017 10:19:14 GMT
And by the way, Rome did collapse even though it was built by evolution. To be fair, it just moved east a bit and survived another thousand years.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 19, 2017 10:27:55 GMT
All those supporting Wael and the club are of course right ! and I'm one of them BUT we surely all agree that the new signings are a BIT underwhelming, eh ?
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jan 19, 2017 10:51:56 GMT
No-one is unhappy with 9th in L1 but the point is being so close to the play offs do you make a concerted effort to go for it or not? Come the January transfer window you generally see clubs adopt 1 of 3 lines if thinking 1 panic we're near the relegation spots grab every player you can 2 do nothing in very little you're in a safe midtable spot that you're happy with 3 push the boat out as you're in or close to the play offs so you align yourself for the best possible push at it Seems to me at present we are adopting option 2. Who knows if that long term is for the best only time will tell. But it doesn't take a wild leap of imagination to see DC and MT leaving in the summer or sooner and then next season you're starting almost from scratch again which could just as likely involve a relegation scrap as a tilt at promotion. I don't get the impression DC would be leaving. He talks long term and seems to be planning for as much. I'm sure if he was taking off he would definately going for number 3.
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Post by Marshy on Jan 19, 2017 10:57:05 GMT
All those supporting Wael and the club are of course right ! and I'm one of them BUT we surely all agree that the new signings are a BIT underwhelming, eh ? At least we have still got a club! If the fishy playoff final had gone the other way who knows where we would be now, certainly no Wael and probably playing @ Clevedons ground the beautiful hands stadium! The futures bright the futures blue & white.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 10:57:46 GMT
I don't want to get in the playoffs. maybe that's why I feel satisfied.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 19, 2017 11:14:55 GMT
Just refreshed your mind by going back to the original press announcements the clear indication was the UWE would be built at a cost of circa £40m+ regardless of his families wealth, the clear indication was we were no longer rag bag Rovers, now nearly 12 months we seemingly cant afford an experienced goalie, that says all that needs to be said. As far as waiting for the summer, DC's already had one summer to get a goalie in, why's next summer going to be any different? Seemingly being the operative word. DC works in mysterious ways and the fact we've not signed an experienced keeper doesn't mean the funds aren't there. Clarke has said multiple times that WAQ has never said no to him with regards to recruitment, and there's nothing to suggest that has changed. You're over thinking this. We were "Rag bag Rovers". We had a direct promise that we would no longer be "Rag bag Rovers". That has to mean we can sign who we want when we want and build stadiums where and when we want. Anything less is treachery.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jan 19, 2017 11:18:01 GMT
I think people underestimate how hard it is to sign decent permanently players in January without paying over the odds.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 19, 2017 11:24:52 GMT
No-one is unhappy with 9th in L1 but the point is being so close to the play offs do you make a concerted effort to go for it or not? Come the January transfer window you generally see clubs adopt 1 of 3 lines if thinking 1 panic we're near the relegation spots grab every player you can 2 do nothing in very little you're in a safe midtable spot that you're happy with 3 push the boat out as you're in or close to the play offs so you align yourself for the best possible push at it Seems to me at present we are adopting option 2. Who knows if that long term is for the best only time will tell. But it doesn't take a wild leap of imagination to see DC and MT leaving in the summer or sooner and then next season you're starting almost from scratch again which could just as likely involve a relegation scrap as a tilt at promotion. I don't get the impression DC would be leaving. He talks long term and seems to be planning for as much. I'm sure if he was taking off he would definately going for number 3. I'm not pretending to know what DC is thinking. I'm just making the point that there is always a managerial merry-go-round round and successful managers are always in demand. We know Leeds wanted him last summer and I'd be amazed if he wasn't in the thinking of other clubs as well. He wasn't born a diehard gashead so if and when an offer is made he'd be a fool not to consider it, and he may indeed consider and think he'd rather stay here then again it could be a Norwich that makes that offer a nice settled club with Premiership history then the decision could well be too leave. In short nothing is guaranteed in life and being this close to the play offs I would think offers an opportunity to 'go' for it but I don't see any evidence we are.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 19, 2017 11:33:15 GMT
Please be as negative as you feel you need to be. But the recurring suggestion that double promotion winning DC actively doesn't want promotion/ is resigned to mid table. Have a word with yourselves.
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Post by socrates on Jan 19, 2017 11:52:42 GMT
All those supporting Wael and the club are of course right ! and I'm one of them BUT we surely all agree that the new signings are a BIT underwhelming, eh ? The way I see it is a new signing is only overwhelming or underwhelming once they've taken to the pitch and start performing.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jan 19, 2017 12:15:53 GMT
All those supporting Wael and the club are of course right ! and I'm one of them BUT we surely all agree that the new signings are a BIT underwhelming, eh ? The way I see it is a new signing is only overwhelming or underwhelming once they've taken to the pitch and start performing. Mark I agree with socrates here, only the other day people couldn't agree over a couple of keepers with championship experience supposed to be on the radar. last time we were in this division we signed "experienced" players, how many of them were a success with the Gas? Like many I would like to see the owners make an announcement on the state of the nation, but I wont rant and rave if they dont. We are in a reasonable & steady state, not uprooting trees for sure but also not on skid row. UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 19, 2017 12:17:09 GMT
I think people underestimate how hard it is to sign decent permanently players in January without paying over the odds. Why can't we pay over the odds though, within reason, as we may never get a better chance to make the Play Offs for years, the last time was the Ollie era! Plus if this season tails off now how many fans will start deserting games at the Mem? 1,000 down is £20K per match?
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Post by philbemmygas on Jan 19, 2017 12:22:25 GMT
I think people underestimate how hard it is to sign decent permanently players in January without paying over the odds. Why can't we pay over the odds though, within reason, as we may never get a better chance to make the Play Offs for years, the last time was the Ollie era! Plus if this season tails off now how many fans will start deserting games at the Mem? 1,000 down is £20K per match? Topper You are contradicting yourself "over the odds" and "within reason" statements, sorry mate there is no correlation in that. Two weeks of the window left, DC is probably in a see who blinks first negotiation with clubs heading towards the end of the transfer/loan window. UTG
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jan 19, 2017 12:51:10 GMT
Spunking money on average players will get us nowhere apart from in dept, especially if we failed to get promotion. Stability is what's needed, let's be honest, it might take us 3+ years to build a squad good enough to get promoted and be competitive in the Championship.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 19, 2017 13:04:11 GMT
The way I see it is a new signing is only overwhelming or underwhelming once they've taken to the pitch and start performing. Mark I agree with socrates here, only the other day people couldn't agree over a couple of keepers with championship experience supposed to be on the radar. last time we were in this division we signed "experienced" players, how many of them were a success with the Gas? Like many I would like to see the owners make an announcement on the state of the nation, but I wont rant and rave if they dont. We are in a reasonable & steady state, not uprooting trees for sure but also not on skid row. UTG Hi Phil, as I stated, I'm fully behind the club and appreciate it's harder to get "favoured " targets in Jan, but was just giving my opinion that "on paper" these signings are underwhelming for me - they are not players with lots of Championship/L1 experience which we WILL need to challenge for promotion this season or in the next few. If we don't sign anyone else in this window I think we'll do well to stay top half. perhaps the board are ok with that. But if we are going to give it more of a go next season we DEFINITELY need more quality and experience in the GK/defence areas - the goals against speak for themselves - we are a real soft touch (AWAY) ! Still really enjoying the season ( thankfully rarely go to away games ).
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 19, 2017 13:17:32 GMT
Why can't we pay over the odds though, within reason, as we may never get a better chance to make the Play Offs for years, the last time was the Ollie era! Plus if this season tails off now how many fans will start deserting games at the Mem? 1,000 down is £20K per match? Topper You are contradicting yourself "over the odds" and "within reason" statements, sorry mate there is no correlation in that. Two weeks of the window left, DC is probably in a see who blinks first negotiation with clubs heading towards the end of the transfer/loan window. UTG No, there's a difference every player has it's price, paying say £10K "over the odds" is hardly going to bankrupt us, but paying say £100K extra would be daft. I think even if NH was in charge these signings would be underwhelming. It's fairly obvious the Gas are now as skint as ever!
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Post by markczgas on Jan 19, 2017 13:46:51 GMT
Topper You are contradicting yourself "over the odds" and "within reason" statements, sorry mate there is no correlation in that. Two weeks of the window left, DC is probably in a see who blinks first negotiation with clubs heading towards the end of the transfer/loan window. UTG No, there's a difference every player has it's price, paying say £10K "over the odds" is hardly going to bankrupt us, but paying say £100K extra would be daft. I think even if NH was in charge these signings would be underwhelming. It's fairly obvious the Gas are now as skint as ever!Think you should wait with this comment until The Window shuts - you might have egg on your face yet !
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 19, 2017 14:57:12 GMT
I think this is the case of the same old Rovers fans whinging about things they know little or nothing about with most things based on presumption.
This club is in the best place it has been for years. I still dont quite understand what some of you expect.....
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Post by Marshy on Jan 19, 2017 16:02:32 GMT
I don't want to get in the playoffs. maybe that's why I feel satisfied. Isn't it nice to feel satisfied did you have a fag after?
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Post by bs9trymer on Jan 19, 2017 17:33:04 GMT
Same old rovers nothing much changes if you been watching them for the last 50 years? might be different if you only been watching for the last 10 years? Coincidence that you should start a thread like this as its 50 years ago in April that I first saw the Rovers play. You say 'nothing much changes' but to be honest there is very little of that club left only a few old supporters and the name. The ground has changed (a couple of times ) the shirts have changed and the badge has changed,all for the worse in my opinion. I also dont like the sponsors names on the shirts,Goodnight Irene being sung 20 times a game especially with that clapping bit in it,the 'gasheads' thing,or all seater stadiums in industrial estates or retail parks. I know that this is going to get loads of 'grumpy old b@st@rd' type comments but its how I feel about modern day football and Rovers now,it used to be great to go to a match loads of atmosphere meet up with your mates have a drink and a good day out, now its very dull,in fact if I was taken to my first game as a kid now I doubt that I would want to go again.
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