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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 26, 2017 9:31:50 GMT
Ellis has scored 40 league and cup goals for us and has just turned 23. Not bad going, really. Amongst those came some absolutely vital contributions under high pressure. This suggests to me that he has what it takes. What he is, undoubtedly, is inconsistent. Young players, in general, are. Lockyer, who has been a rock for us over the last 3 years, has had a spell this year where he seemed to have lost confidence in his ability. Loads on here said he should be dropped 'for his own good'. He wasn't, and he has come through that bad spell. He remains one of our most important players. Ollie Clarke turns 25 this June. Plenty of people have written him off enough times in his short career to have finished a lesser man, and only now is he finding the consistency in his game and the tactical knowhow, which takes years to build. If you have faith in your talented young players, they will handsomely reward you. Yes, that means giving them lots of chances, FFS! Ok but you are comparing water with bread. Lockyer and O Clarke are 2 limited players who have had the right attitude and fulfilled their potential, have always put a shift in the pair of them. Ellis has the potential to be much better than both of them but unfortunately doesn't seem to have the right attitude. Doesn't want it enough on the pitch. I remember reading an article. From a youth coach at Man Utd or Barca and they said that when they were looming for potential players, they would look more at their attitude and hunger over actual ability. And 9 times out of 10 it would be the players you didn't expect to make it who would as despite having less ability they gave their all to make it happen.
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Post by pirate49 on Feb 26, 2017 10:06:26 GMT
I just don't think that Ellis has what they call a 'footballing brain'. Yes, he can get goals. But he'll be in the right place not through intent or instinct. He often seems to be in the wrong place or not knowing which option to take.
I agree that he's had enough chances. Jamie Lucas may not be the answer but will we ever know?
Time to let Ellis go, wish him well and get some genuine strikers in.
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Post by oldgas on Feb 26, 2017 10:07:03 GMT
Ive never bought into this potential thing with Ellis. He's an OK lower league player as far as I can make out, noting more, nothing less.
Everyone raved after Northampton, but they were dreadful, and most teams seem able to score against them.
I have never seen any potential in Luke James. DC says he got him as a replacement for Taylor as he thought he was off. I can confidently say that if Taylor had gone in the summer, we would have been 19 goals worse off with James, because he isn't,capable of scoring.
At the moment we are bereft of goal scorers. DC is giving us the old kidology with regards James. He knows full well that he needs at least 2 strikers in the summer but at the moment we have to make do. The defence are sorted and keeping things tight, a regular point per game to the end will see a respectable finish position.q
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 10:12:26 GMT
Really hope Harrison moves on at the end of the season for his own good more than anything else. The abuse he got yesterday in the west enclosure was awful. There have also been racist comments shouted out in the past few weeks as well. He's a football player ffs. Love my club with a passion but a minority of our fans are absolute w*nkers. I did not hear this but if true it's completely unacceptable...unfortunately we do have a rather stupid minority.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Feb 26, 2017 10:13:02 GMT
While Ellis is at this club, he will have my full backing. I don't think he has ever had a proper run of games and made to feel like our main man, other than our run-in in the conf. I fully understand that a run of games must be earned. He strikes me as a confidence player and I feel that giving him stick will not help the situation. His heart is in the right place, as you will know of you've ever met the lad.
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Post by althepirate on Feb 26, 2017 10:22:48 GMT
Ellis has scored 40 league and cup goals for us and has just turned 23. Not bad going, really. Amongst those came some absolutely vital contributions under high pressure. This suggests to me that he has what it takes. What he is, undoubtedly, is inconsistent. Young players, in general, are. Lockyer, who has been a rock for us over the last 3 years, has had a spell this year where he seemed to have lost confidence in his ability. Loads on here said he should be dropped 'for his own good'. He wasn't, and he has come through that bad spell. He remains one of our most important players. Ollie Clarke turns 25 this June. Plenty of people have written him off enough times in his short career to have finished a lesser man, and only now is he finding the consistency in his game and the tactical knowhow, which takes years to build. If you have faith in your talented young players, they will handsomely reward you. Yes, that means giving them lots of chances, FFS! Ok but you are comparing water with bread. Lockyer and O Clarke are 2 limited players who have had the right attitude and fulfilled their potential, have always put a shift in the pair of them. Ellis has the potential to be much better than both of them but unfortunately doesn't seem to have the right attitude. Doesn't want it enough on the pitch. I remember reading an article. From a youth coach at Man Utd or Barca and they said that when they were looming for potential players, they would look more at their attitude and hunger over actual ability. And 9 times out of 10 it would be the players you didn't expect to make it who would as despite having less ability they gave their all to make it happen. Exactly and isn't that DC's attitude as well and one that has given us and Man Utd success? Interestingly Ellis is not a DC signing, so would he have signed him? However DC has the right attitude towards him, giving him so much support and chances and I thought DC was a million times better than John Ward in managing Ellis, but you can only lead a horse to water for so long. Yesterday I thought Ellis' input was no better than it was under JW which for me is bitterly disappointing. There is one player in our team who is now referred to as a 'Rolls Royce' and that is Chris Lines. Having watched him through his career I remember him coming into the side without a great deal of talent, but the correct attitude and work ethic. He has developed into a very talented player. Ellis has to realise that potential means nothing and wont materialise without effort. He must have had more arms around him than an ageing porn star, now is the time for him to take a leaf out of the books of Lines, Sinclair, Clarke, Lockyer etc etc and crack on before its too late for him.
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Post by titchthephot on Feb 26, 2017 10:44:25 GMT
Forget the back pass...just one of those things. Harrison's problem is his lack of consistency and concentration. When he played against Northampton he was in the zone for every ball. Yesterday I noticed him several times doing the same thing. A ball would be near him and instead of immediately going for the ball he would seem to be in a 'pause' mode...only for a split second...then he would go after it. Only by then it was just too late. The defender would get the ball and the moment was gone. Had he reacted sooner he could have given himself a chance. He obviously has potential (otherwise DC would have let him go) but he just needs to be alert 100% of the time..not 80% or even less. Gaffney has the ability to do better and has shown us before what he can do. He is going through a barren patch at the moment but I am happy to keep faith with him for a while longer. On FB there is so much talk about 'we should get so and so'. The transfer market is closed. DC didn't want to get just anybody and there was no point getting someone in for Snakey...just in case he didn't jump ship - which would have left us with another striker on the books and more headaches about who to play and who to drop. What we have at the moment is what we will have until the end of the season. Hopefully Harrison, Gaffney or James will hit form (or all three) and we will all be happy. I have great faith in DC. He knows far more about our team and football in general than all of us put together. Keep the faith UTG.
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Post by whoblue on Feb 26, 2017 10:46:06 GMT
Still think there is a player in there but perhaps a change of club is what he needs. 'there's a player in there...' 'this season he needs to kick on...' 'now he needs to step up...' 'depends which Ellis turns up...' Sound familiar? These are the sort of things written in regard to Ellis season after season, yet he doesn't kick on, doesn't step up, and all too often doesn't show up! It's not enough to wander around the pitch and occasionally break into a run if the fancy takes him. He managed to put a performance in for one game, and I only say that because he scored four goals... if you look at his effort in that game compared to others you could argue he got lucky! He did nothing before that game and has done even less since.. that backpass is just the icing sugar on top of the cherry, on top of the cream, on top of the cake. If there's a player in there... it seems a succession of managers can't find him. He's one of our own and all that... but just not good enough, he was okay in non-league, got by last season... but should have left in the summer!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 10:48:31 GMT
No need to get on Ellis back get behind him and let's hope he can produce the potential he's got consistently. But if it's not Ellis then it would be someone else getting stick me thinks.
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Post by Okebournegas on Feb 26, 2017 11:03:20 GMT
I blame Roos
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Post by justin blue on Feb 26, 2017 11:14:52 GMT
I cannot think of another player given so many chances for years in a Rovers shirt. Now is the time for him to take responsibility for his performances IMO. I am not talking about the back pass,anyone can do that, but his many lack lustre performances and lack of work ethic. We haven't got where we are just by him scoring the odd important goal but by the hard work and consistent performances of the rest of the team. Yes his goals have helped but without the snake we are looking for someone to take on that responsibility. I don't think Gaffney is good enough either for us to progress, but at least he puts in a shift. I like Ellis and would love to see him do well,but for me he has had enough chances and we need to replace now. Attitude? Mental bloc? whatever, take it on Ellis and sort your self out, IMO success beckons if you apply yourself. So what exactly do you want to happen? Ellis is here for the rest of the season what is the point in constant criticism it simply isn't going to help. Don't know how long you have watched rovers, but I could name dozens of players who have been given more chances than Ellis and not scored anywhere near as many goals.
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Post by 84gas on Feb 26, 2017 11:15:49 GMT
Thought Roos was quite good yesterday
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Post by mftc on Feb 26, 2017 11:28:59 GMT
Lines and Sweeney both played back passes from near the halfway line. If they miskicked the ball and set up the opposition would they have had so much stick?
Tactically, Scunthorpe closed down the out ball. Ellis was being pressured from behind and Scunny closed down Lines, Sweeney and Ellis didnt want to give a hospital ball to James Clarke on his wrong foot. He had three options; hit and hope somewhere in Bodin's direction,hospital ball to Lines, Sweeney or Clarke or try and retain possession back to the keeper. He never made the right contact and the rest is history.
The good thing for me was his obvious disappointment - it shows he cares (how many ex players in the recent Men history would be that bothered, his apology to other players and the fans at the end of the game and his effort for the rest of the game.
The worrying thing was there was no Macca or Mansell type to have a word with him, although Locks gave him a pat when we had a free kick 10 mins later.
I still think he will a useful squad player next season.
Hopefully DC will use his man management skills and get a good response from Ellis v Bolton.
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Post by whoblue on Feb 26, 2017 11:59:55 GMT
Lines and Sweeney both played back passes from near the halfway line. If they miskicked the ball and set up the opposition would they have had so much stick? Tactically, Scunthorpe closed down the out ball. Ellis was being pressured from behind and Scunny closed down Lines, Sweeney and Ellis didnt want to give a hospital ball to James Clarke on his wrong foot. He had three options; hit and hope somewhere in Bodin's direction,hospital ball to Lines, Sweeney or Clarke or try and retain possession back to the keeper. He never made the right contact and the rest is history. The good thing for me was his obvious disappointment - it shows he cares (how many ex players in the recent Men history would be that bothered, his apology to other players and the fans at the end of the game and his effort for the rest of the game. The worrying thing was there was no Macca or Mansell type to have a word with him, although Locks gave him a pat when we had a free kick 10 mins later. I still think he will a useful squad player next season. Hopefully DC will use his man management skills and get a good response from Ellis v Bolton. Lines and Sweeney both played back passes from near the halfway line. If they miskicked the ball and set up the opposition would they have had so much stick? In short... No, their overall contribution is greater. Ellis was being pressured from behind.... He generally doesn't appear to be able to control the ball, pressure or no pressure. He had three options; hit and hope somewhere in Bodin's direction,hospital ball to Lines, Sweeney or Clarke or try and retain possession back to the keeper. He never made the right contact and the rest is history. No.. He could have just lumped it forward as players do with no easy out ball, wouldn't have ended up in the back of our net. His attitude, effort and application for the time he was on the pitch is what I call into question. I still think he will a useful squad player next season. You're right, he could over time be trained to make the tea, cut up the oranges and wash the kit. Hopefully DC will use his man management skills and get a good response from tell Ellis he can start looking for a new club as he's not required v Bolton or any other game this season. There, I fixed that for you.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 26, 2017 12:04:14 GMT
"The worrying thing was there was no Macca or Mansell type to have a word with him, although Locks gave him a pat when we had a free kick 10 mins later."
Perhaps players doing that hasn't helped, if one us b@lls up at work and cost the company money world somebody say "don't worry about it", no we'd probably get a warning and learn not to do it again, or soon be looking for a new job.
DC has got no choice now but to stick with Harrison but is he really worth another contract in the summer, particularly when his agent will probably be looking for a new two contract on Div 1 wages?
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Post by althepirate on Feb 26, 2017 12:09:01 GMT
'So what exactly do you want to happen? Ellis is here for the rest of the season what is the point in constant criticism it simply isn't going to help. Don't know how long you have watched rovers, but I could name dozens of players who have been given more chances than Ellis and not scored anywhere near as many goals.'
61 years mate, is that good enough for you? Anyway it doesn't matter how many years we have been a supporter we have the right to criticise. You have just criticised me so a bit hypocritical of you. What do I want to happen? Re read my post as I have told you there. I would like to see him apply himself more by putting in a shift.
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Post by whoblue on Feb 26, 2017 12:13:09 GMT
No need to get on Ellis back get behind him and let's hope he can produce the potential he's got consistently. But if it's not Ellis then it would be someone else getting stick me thinks. yeah.. let's just keep 'HOPING' he can produce this potential, he's not produced anything for what three seasons... why would the rest of this season be any different? No doubt DC will have him start the next game to show EH he has belief in him. Look... Ellis, if you or anyone that is close to you is reading this thread, a mis-placed pass can happen and will happen to any player during 90 mins... but you didn't look interested during pre-match warm-up, you didn't look interested when you came on, and then you shanked a pass from the opposition half that ended up in the net. You can hold your hands up and apologise to DC, your team mates and even the fans until you can apologise no more... but you can't apologise for your lack of effort before or after that mistake... it's just not good enough.
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Post by baggins on Feb 26, 2017 12:23:01 GMT
No need to get on Ellis back get behind him and let's hope he can produce the potential he's got consistently. But if it's not Ellis then it would be someone else getting stick me thinks. yeah.. let's just keep 'HOPING' he can produce this potential, he's not produced anything for what three seasons... why would the rest of this season be any different? No doubt DC will have him start the next game to show EH he has belief in him. Look... Ellis, if you or anyone that is close to you is reading this thread, a mis-placed pass can happen and will happen to any player during 90 mins... but you didn't look interested during pre-match warm-up, you didn't look interested when you came on, and then you shanked a pass from the opposition half that ended up in the net. You can hold your hands up and apologise to DC, your team mates and even the fans until you can apologise no more... but you can't apologise for your lack of effort before or after that mistake... it's just not good enough. I feel sorry for the rest of the team. Worked their socks off for what should have been a hard earnt 3 points to then have that happen to them by a player who just fails time and time again to do anything. Ah well, we go again Tuesday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 12:26:16 GMT
Don't see the point in this thread to tell you the truth.
He once scored 4 goals in a match don't you know..?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 26, 2017 12:30:22 GMT
Lines and Sweeney both played back passes from near the halfway line. If they miskicked the ball and set up the opposition would they have had so much stick? Tactically, Scunthorpe closed down the out ball. Ellis was being pressured from behind and Scunny closed down Lines, Sweeney and Ellis didnt want to give a hospital ball to James Clarke on his wrong foot. He had three options; hit and hope somewhere in Bodin's direction,hospital ball to Lines, Sweeney or Clarke or try and retain possession back to the keeper. He never made the right contact and the rest is history. The good thing for me was his obvious disappointment - it shows he cares (how many ex players in the recent Men history would be that bothered, his apology to other players and the fans at the end of the game and his effort for the rest of the game. The worrying thing was there was no Macca or Mansell type to have a word with him, although Locks gave him a pat when we had a free kick 10 mins later. I still think he will a useful squad player next season. Hopefully DC will use his man management skills and get a good response from Ellis v Bolton. Lines and Sweeney both played back passes from near the halfway line. If they miskicked the ball and set up the opposition would they have had so much stick? In short... No, their overall contribution is greater. Ellis was being pressured from behind.... He generally doesn't appear to be able to control the ball, pressure or no pressure. He had three options; hit and hope somewhere in Bodin's direction,hospital ball to Lines, Sweeney or Clarke or try and retain possession back to the keeper. He never made the right contact and the rest is history. No.. He could have just lumped it forward as players do with no easy out ball, wouldn't have ended up in the back of our net. His attitude, effort and application for the time he was on the pitch is what I call into question. I still think he will a useful squad player next season. You're right, he could over time be trained to make the tea, cut up the oranges and wash the kit. Hopefully DC will use his man management skills and get a good response from tell Ellis he can start looking for a new club as he's not required v Bolton or any other game this season. There, I fixed that for you. Well said!
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