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Post by whoblue on Feb 26, 2017 12:42:55 GMT
Don't see the point in this thread to tell you the truth. He once scored 4 goals in a match don't you know..? I once won the 50/50 half-time draw... and I still believe my chances of winning again are greater than Ellis having a good game, let alone score... AND I don't buy a 50/50 ticket every game, perhaps I should!?!
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Feb 26, 2017 12:44:57 GMT
No need to get on Ellis back get behind him and let's hope he can produce the potential he's got consistently. But if it's not Ellis then it would be someone else getting stick me thinks. The thing is, that as fans we are so short-term in our thinking. Ellis has a bad run and is not good enough. Earlier in the season many thought the penny was dropping with him. I don't like this accusation that he is not putting it all in. That can often be levelled at a player who is lacking in confidence, as his thinking and reactions are not quite where they should be. His contract is up at the end of the season. Does anyone really think he'd be coasting now? Whether they are different types of player or not, is irrelevant. Ollie Clarke has only now. at the age of 24, gained a level of tactical knowledge and knowhow to influence the game for long periods of time, and to consistently produce performances. With that, his confidence has grown. Ellis is a year younger. Yes, he has achieved a lot in his short career so far, so it's frustrating that he can be so inconsistent, but he has never been anywhere near the finished article. He is well worth persevering with and supporting. Especially now, of all times! We are almost certainly going to finish mid-table this season. This could be a great period of learning for him with the pressure off in terms of promotion/relegation. DC stuck by Lockyer, Sinclair and Clarke when a lot of people were saying they should be dropped. We have seen them come through again as improved players. Most of our squad is still adapting to this level. This final run of games in the season is going to teach them a lot, and will stand a settled squad in good stead for next season. I for one, won't be surprised to see Ellis and one or two others show improved form in the next few games. UTG!
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Post by whoblue on Feb 26, 2017 12:53:57 GMT
No need to get on Ellis back get behind him and let's hope he can produce the potential he's got consistently. But if it's not Ellis then it would be someone else getting stick me thinks. The thing is, that as fans we are so short-term in our thinking. Ellis has a bad run and is not good enough. Earlier in the season many thought the penny was dropping with him. I don't like this accusation that he is not putting it all in. That can often be levelled at a player who is lacking in confidence, as his thinking and reactions are not quite where they should be. His contract is up at the end of the season. Does anyone really think he'd be coasting now? Whether they are different types of player or not, is irrelevant. Ollie Clarke has only now. at the age of 24, gained a level of tactical knowledge and knowhow to influence the game for long periods of time, and to consistently produce performances. With that, his confidence has grown. Ellis is a year younger. Yes, he has achieved a lot in his short career so far, so it's frustrating that he can be so inconsistent, but he has never been anywhere near the finished article. He is well worth persevering with and supporting. Especially now, of all times! We are almost certainly going to finish mid-table this season. This could be a great period of learning for him with the pressure off in terms of promotion/relegation. DC stuck by Lockyer, Sinclair and Clarke when a lot of people were saying they should be dropped. We have seen them come through again as improved players. Most of our squad is still adapting to this level. This final run of games in the season is going to teach them a lot, and will stand a settled squad in good stead for next season. I for one, won't be surprised to see Ellis and one or two others show improved form in the next few games. UTG! I for one, won't be surprised to see Ellis and one or two others show improved form in the next few games. I don't know how many more games/seasons we can keep saying this about Ellis... in the next game, just one more chance, he's got potential, there's a player in there, if he could just stay focused... In any other profession he would be long gone, his own performances don't warrant anymore chances. I've not been to see the squad in training, all I can say is Ellis must be on fire for the other six days of the week, perhaps we should arrange our matches for those days to accommodate him and his potential?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 12:56:40 GMT
Odd that people are using a 60 yard backpass gone wrong to judge him as a striker. Yesterday was stupid from Ellis but he knew that straight away, don't think he'll attempt it again soon.
For me it speaks volumes that a freak error cost us the game against 2nd in the league, where we looked in control.
He can certainly be part of a squad which gets promoted from this league - scored important goals at the two levels below so I think he'll be an asset if we are to challenge in the next couple of years. Even if its back in his super sub role.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 26, 2017 12:58:09 GMT
Odd that people are using a 60 yard backpass gone wrong to judge him as a striker. Yesterday was stupid from Ellis but he knew that straight away, don't think he'll attempt it again soon. For me it speaks volumes that a freak error cost us the game against 2nd in the league, where we looked in control. He can certainly be part of a squad which gets promoted from this league - scored important goals at the two levels below so I think he'll be an asset if we are to challenge in the next couple of years. Even if its back in his super sub role. Ffs, it's not just his backpass! It was his complete lack of effort and his inconsistency as a whole!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 13:03:41 GMT
Ellis is a strange one; just when you think the lad is kicking on he has several appearances where he looks lazy, disinterested and little threat.
Personally I think he will improve but not with us, he needs a new club to revitalise things as he appears to be going stale here now.
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Post by baggins on Feb 26, 2017 13:06:49 GMT
Odd that people are using a 60 yard backpass gone wrong to judge him as a striker. Yesterday was stupid from Ellis but he knew that straight away, don't think he'll attempt it again soon. For me it speaks volumes that a freak error cost us the game against 2nd in the league, where we looked in control. He can certainly be part of a squad which gets promoted from this league - scored important goals at the two levels below so I think he'll be an asset if we are to challenge in the next couple of years. Even if its back in his super sub role. It's not the backpass that fans are judging him on. It's the wasted opportunities that's been handed to him on a plate game after game to impress and sort himself out that he's just not taken. He frustrates the hell out of me and to say my patience is running thin is an understatement.
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Post by stapletongas on Feb 26, 2017 13:14:15 GMT
He looked like I wanted the ground to swallow him up after the blunder. Be interesting to see how deals with this.
Final whistle too you could see he was weighed down.
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Post by whoblue on Feb 26, 2017 13:16:33 GMT
Odd that people are using a 60 yard backpass gone wrong to judge him as a striker. Yesterday was stupid from Ellis but he knew that straight away, don't think he'll attempt it again soon. For me it speaks volumes that a freak error cost us the game against 2nd in the league, where we looked in control. He can certainly be part of a squad which gets promoted from this league - scored important goals at the two levels below so I think he'll be an asset if we are to challenge in the next couple of years. Even if its back in his super sub role. His chance conversion rate is woeful... which I also thought about Taylor, but at least he put some effort in and put a few away week-in, week-out. Wasn't he the 'super-sub' yesterday... he certainly torpedoed us! Why can he 'certainly be part of a squad which gets promoted from this league'. Why do we have to put up with inconsistent players not showing their potential? People criticise Sinclair all the time, but I'd rather have a team full of players like him running themselves into the ground every week. It seems we have as fans have started to drift back to the pre-non league attitude of 'Oh, he'll be alright... bags of potential'... just remember back to the last few seconds of last season, when we had 11 players giving everything to the last second and how you felt BEFORE the ball went in. Then think back over that season, and remember how many chances EH spurned in front of goal when to us it seemed easier to score. And, had he taken one or more of those chances, we might have been promoted 1,2, maybe three games before. Enough is enough... let's give Jamie Lucas a run out, he can't be any worse... surely!?!
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Post by knowall on Feb 26, 2017 13:18:09 GMT
A player who has ALL the attributes to be among the best but seems to have no incentive to really shine.
Mostly looks as though he couldn't care less which may not be the case but is so frustrating to those of us who wish we had his physique and natural ability - by God if I was him I would give every ounce of effort to succeed - he should be aiming for the Premiership and everything that brings
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 26, 2017 13:19:01 GMT
I think we should kill him. Seriously. Murder him. And hide his body.* *There's a field up by UWE I know, where we could probably bury his body, which will remain hidden for some time.there is a better one over aston vale where he would get watered on a lot
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Feb 26, 2017 13:26:22 GMT
Ellis contributes more than people think and he certainly has played a huge part in our turn around the last few years. Some people dont show outwardly how hard they are working, a bit like a duck paddling, the hard work is being done but visually everything appears calm and lethargic. He's also a great young man (and yes he is still young) and ask the other players and they all say he's a brilliant presence in the dressing room/training.
The real proof of his hard work and qualities are that Darrell continues to select him and he's still an integral part of our squad that has exceeded all expectations for 2 1/2 seasons. and as we all know DC is a hard taskmaster and not easy to please/convince.
My guess is Ellis will once again prove the doubters wrong and continue to be an asset.
The three lads who have been through every emotion over a short period of time at such a young age and have experienced more than some do in a career are Ellis, Tom and Ollie - all of which have had dips in form, made mistakes and had their critics. But all three of them stick at it, work hard and come through it. And i'll personally always have a soft spot for them and will continue to support them no matter what.
UTG
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Post by baggins on Feb 26, 2017 13:29:34 GMT
Ellis contributes more than people think and he certainly has played a huge part in our turn around the last few years. Some people dont show outwardly how hard they are working, a bit like a duck paddling, the hard work is being done but visually everything appears calm and lethargic. He's also a great young man (and yes he is still young) and ask the other players and they all say he's a brilliant presence in the dressing room/training. The real proof of his hard work and qualities are that Darrell continues to select him and he's still an integral part of our squad that has exceeded all expectations for 2 1/2 seasons. and as we all know DC is a hard taskmaster and not easy to please/convince. My guess is Ellis will once again prove the doubters wrong and continue to be an asset. The three lads who have been through every emotion over a short period of time at such a young age and have experienced more than some do in a career are Ellis, Tom and Ollie - all of which have had dips in form, made mistakes and had their critics. But all three of them stick at it, work hard and come through it. And i'll personally always have a soft spot for them and will continue to support them no matter what. UTG Sorry Jon, but I don't see it.
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Post by whoblue on Feb 26, 2017 13:34:48 GMT
Tom has an off game - but everyone can see it's not through a lack of effort. Ollie has an off game - but everyone can see it's not through a lack of effort. Ellis has an off game - but everyone can see he appears to wander round the pitch throwing his hands in the air, not winning the ball back, letting the ball bounce off of him as if he were a brick wall... shall I go on!?!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 13:35:22 GMT
Odd that people are using a 60 yard backpass gone wrong to judge him as a striker. Yesterday was stupid from Ellis but he knew that straight away, don't think he'll attempt it again soon. For me it speaks volumes that a freak error cost us the game against 2nd in the league, where we looked in control. He can certainly be part of a squad which gets promoted from this league - scored important goals at the two levels below so I think he'll be an asset if we are to challenge in the next couple of years. Even if its back in his super sub role. Ffs, it's not just his backpass! It was his complete lack of effort and his inconsistency as a whole! Not convinced about the whole 'Ellis is lazy' argument, Taylor hardly ran himself into the ground for 90 mins each week but he still got the goals, James runs himself into the ground and doesn't do as well. It's not really an indicator of how good a player he can/will be. He's just turned 23, he's going to be inconsistent at times especially when he's not playing 90 mins. Just don't get the mindset of 'he must go!!' when we wouldn't replace Ellis with a bit part player who has the ability to score important goals (as we saw last season and the season before). Odd that people are using a 60 yard backpass gone wrong to judge him as a striker. Yesterday was stupid from Ellis but he knew that straight away, don't think he'll attempt it again soon. For me it speaks volumes that a freak error cost us the game against 2nd in the league, where we looked in control. He can certainly be part of a squad which gets promoted from this league - scored important goals at the two levels below so I think he'll be an asset if we are to challenge in the next couple of years. Even if its back in his super sub role. His chance conversion rate is woeful... which I also thought about Taylor, but at least he put some effort in and put a few away week-in, week-out. Wasn't he the 'super-sub' yesterday... he certainly torpedoed us! Why can he 'certainly be part of a squad which gets promoted from this league'. Why do we have to put up with inconsistent players not showing their potential? People criticise Sinclair all the time, but I'd rather have a team full of players like him running themselves into the ground every week. It seems we have as fans have started to drift back to the pre-non league attitude of 'Oh, he'll be alright... bags of potential'... just remember back to the last few seconds of last season, when we had 11 players giving everything to the last second and how you felt BEFORE the ball went in. Then think back over that season, and remember how many chances EH spurned in front of goal when to us it seemed easier to score. And, had he taken one or more of those chances, we might have been promoted 1,2, maybe three games before. Enough is enough... let's give Jamie Lucas a run out, he can't be any worse... surely!?! I was one who thought giving him a 3-year-deal on the back of a few good performances in 2012-13 was stupid and naive. It set him back massively. It's not a case of that but a case of giving the bloke more time to prove himself at this level, just as he needed a step down to prove he can score goals after 2013-14. He's the sort of player who we'd let go and will get game time and goals elsewhere, guaranteed. I remember us slagging off Andy Williams for a good 18 months before he got goals at League 1 level for Yeovil and Swindon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 13:49:21 GMT
Some people are talking like Ellis is a 17 year old wet-under-the-ears newbie. He is 23 FFS, these days 16/17 year olds are becoming full internationals.
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Post by justin blue on Feb 26, 2017 14:01:52 GMT
'So what exactly do you want to happen? Ellis is here for the rest of the season what is the point in constant criticism it simply isn't going to help. Don't know how long you have watched rovers, but I could name dozens of players who have been given more chances than Ellis and not scored anywhere near as many goals.' 61 years mate, is that good enough for you? Anyway it doesn't matter how many years we have been a supporter we have the right to criticise. You have just criticised me so a bit hypocritical of you. What do I want to happen? Re read my post as I have told you there. I would like to see him apply himself more by putting in a shift. Where exactly have I criticised you? I've just asked questions and given an oppinion. I want the same as you I want to see more from Ellis. You are entitled to criticize. I just don't believe constant criticism (and I was really referring to the collective criticism on here) of a player is going to improve his game. Much respect for your 61 years of watching the gas I've only been watching for a mere 50.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 14:09:33 GMT
Ellis contributes more than people think and he certainly has played a huge part in our turn around the last few years. Some people dont show outwardly how hard they are working, a bit like a duck paddling, the hard work is being done but visually everything appears calm and lethargic. He's also a great young man (and yes he is still young) and ask the other players and they all say he's a brilliant presence in the dressing room/training. The real proof of his hard work and qualities are that Darrell continues to select him and he's still an integral part of our squad that has exceeded all expectations for 2 1/2 seasons. and as we all know DC is a hard taskmaster and not easy to please/convince. My guess is Ellis will once again prove the doubters wrong and continue to be an asset. The three lads who have been through every emotion over a short period of time at such a young age and have experienced more than some do in a career are Ellis, Tom and Ollie - all of which have had dips in form, made mistakes and had their critics. But all three of them stick at it, work hard and come through it. And i'll personally always have a soft spot for them and will continue to support them no matter what. UTG "The real proof of his hard work and qualities are that Darrell continues to select him" Hang on, who else is there to select?
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Post by althepirate on Feb 26, 2017 14:26:13 GMT
'So what exactly do you want to happen? Ellis is here for the rest of the season what is the point in constant criticism it simply isn't going to help. Don't know how long you have watched rovers, but I could name dozens of players who have been given more chances than Ellis and not scored anywhere near as many goals.' 61 years mate, is that good enough for you? Anyway it doesn't matter how many years we have been a supporter we have the right to criticise. You have just criticised me so a bit hypocritical of you. What do I want to happen? Re read my post as I have told you there. I would like to see him apply himself more by putting in a shift. Where exactly have I criticised you? I've just asked questions and given an oppinion. I want the same as you I want to see more from Ellis. You are entitled to criticize. I just don't believe constant criticism (and I was really referring to the collective criticism on here) of a player is going to improve his game. Much respect for your 61 years of watching the gas I've only been watching for a mere 50. Collective criticism is normally justified as why would so many have the same opinion? We all love Ellis and get hugely frustrated with him. People talk about him being 'only 23'well I don't think that's young in terms of personal maturity and maybe that's one thing he needs to look at What I am saying is that he has been given the money, support and opportunity by Rovers and judging by yesterday's performance he hasn't grown as a player or character wise. Just one of many things that frustrates me about him is how often he hits the deck. He is a hold up player and should be learning/taught to be stronger. As a long time fan could you see Biggs, Warboys or Lambert going down like that? As you know potential means absolutely nothing. Can you remember Roger Frude who played for us in the the 60's 'the new Johnny Haynes he was called,a lad with fantastic potential but sadly like so many players the years catch up with them before that potential is realised. I really don't want this to happen to Ellis.
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Post by LJG on Feb 26, 2017 14:46:55 GMT
I think we should kill him. Seriously. Murder him. And hide his body.* *There's a field up by UWE I know, where we could probably bury his body, which will remain hidden for some time.Only 125 years under the current plans.
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