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Post by abbeygas on May 4, 2017 18:33:08 GMT
Struggling to get the hate towards Sainsburys. I would suggest the anger is misplaced. Business is business. They look after their business, we look after ours. Had the contract been 'watertight' as we were constantly told, they would have had no room to manoeuvre. At it turned out (and unsurprising to anyone familiar with the previous board), it wasn't and they legally and legitimately pulled out. People are living in cuckoo land if they think they would have proceeded with the purchase out of a sense of 'fairness'. The minute I saw the embarrassing t-shirts and banners telling Sainsburys to 'Play Fair', it was apparent the game was over. Amateurish tactics. It's not uncommon for a football club (including ours) to offer players a new contract if they hit x amount of appearances that season and then to freeze them out and let the deal count down to zero when they move close to reaching that figure to prevent the deal. Don't see how it's massively different? Thank goodness we have competent people managing the club now. The first thing to consider is whether Shitsburys ever had any intention of completing the deal. It's not as if their behaviour wasn't without precedent. I think you will find they have a history of bidding high for parcels of land then drawing the process out before eventually abandoning the project, going to court if needs be. Southend United and a development in West Wales come readily to mind. Their sole intention would appear to prevent their rivals getting a foothold in any particular area. If you think that's an OK and ethical way to conduct business then so be it. I think it stinks and I'm glad Theyre losing market share to Aldi and Lidl. like someone else has done, I would never dream of patronising them again. There is one of their stores with a petrol forecourt very near to my house. I only go there to use the free airline. We now buy our food and household requirements from a further away Aldi store and fuel for our 2 cars from a Waitrose forecourt. This is depriving Shitsburys of at least £750 per month, money We would otherwise have spent with them. I seem to remember that hey had an agreement to buy Trashton from the Sh1t for a superstore. Because of the objections that stopped them building the new stadium Shitsburys real intention with regards to Trashton was never tested, but I bet they would have rowed out that as well. If Shitsburys still have someone checking this website I hope they will report the ill-will of Gasheads and the fact that business has been diverted as a result of their unethical behaviour. You may be able to shrug your shoulders and move on; I will always detest Shitsburys, and will miss no opportunity to denigrate their name. Best post I have seen on here in ages. Nail square on head as far as i am concerned and exactly how I see it but I'm too thick to articulate it properly.
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Post by Marshy on May 4, 2017 18:42:18 GMT
I sometimes go into their toilets and take a dump in one of the hand basins, does this help? Marshfield, is this what you meant about "letting it go" after the Gillingham game? At least I've let it go you obviously haven't.
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Post by abbeygas on May 4, 2017 18:43:48 GMT
It was not meant for you okebourne and I don't believe you were mocking anyone. If you must know it was peterparker that caused my mini meltdown with his 'well done boycotters' comment.
Whilst I agree that this sort of thing goes on all the time with big business the fact remains that the particular big business that shafted rovers was Shamesbury's hence the reason why I continue to boycott them.
You say you have nothing to forgive and forget because big businesses do this sort of thing all of the time and it is just a fact of life but to me it just sounds like you are justifying to yourself the fact you continue to shop there. That's how I see it anyway. How did they 'shaft' us though? We agreed a contract with them and they acted within it. Genuinely can't understand the resentment and hatred for something we were at fault for? If you agreed to buy a house in principle and your circumstances changed, would you pull out of the deal if allowed to do so? Oh dear it seems you believe they genuinely wanted a supermarket in Horfield. The evidence from elsewhere around the country tells me something very different.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 19:10:54 GMT
The first thing to consider is whether Shitsburys ever had any intention of completing the deal. It's not as if their behaviour wasn't without precedent. I think you will find they have a history of bidding high for parcels of land then drawing the process out before eventually abandoning the project, going to court if needs be. Southend United and a development in West Wales come readily to mind. Their sole intention would appear to prevent their rivals getting a foothold in any particular area. If you think that's an OK and ethical way to conduct business then so be it. I think it stinks and I'm glad Theyre losing market share to Aldi and Lidl. like someone else has done, I would never dream of patronising them again. There is one of their stores with a petrol forecourt very near to my house. I only go there to use the free airline. We now buy our food and household requirements from a further away Aldi store and fuel for our 2 cars from a Waitrose forecourt. This is depriving Shitsburys of at least £750 per month, money We would otherwise have spent with them. I seem to remember that hey had an agreement to buy Trashton from the Sh1t for a superstore. Because of the objections that stopped them building the new stadium Shitsburys real intention with regards to Trashton was never tested, but I bet they would have rowed out that as well. If Shitsburys still have someone checking this website I hope they will report the ill-will of Gasheads and the fact that business has been diverted as a result of their unethical behaviour. You may be able to shrug your shoulders and move on; I will always detest Shitsburys, and will miss no opportunity to denigrate their name. Best post I have seen on here in ages. Nail square on head as far as i am concerned and exactly how I see it but I'm too thick to articulate it properly. Don't put your self down, you got articulate right...
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Post by gaseous on May 5, 2017 8:36:09 GMT
But what happens if the ALQ's deliver the UWE to plan, a state of the art training ground and also top level Championship football, getting shafted by them could then turn out to be the best thing that happened to us? It could well turn out that getting shafted was the best thing that could have happened but it should be remembered that no one had even heard of the Al Qadis when they f**ked us over and shamesbury's didnt give a flying toss what the consequences were for rovers. Some on here seem quite happy to forgive and forget. Some even mock fellow gasheads that continue to boycott them and that really boils my p**s dry. Not me, I will never forgive them, effing hate them and I have never shopped there since and never will. Utg
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Post by knowall on May 5, 2017 8:50:53 GMT
The first thing to consider is whether Shitsburys ever had any intention of completing the deal. It's not as if their behaviour wasn't without precedent. I think you will find they have a history of bidding high for parcels of land then drawing the process out before eventually abandoning the project, going to court if needs be. Southend United and a development in West Wales come readily to mind. Their sole intention would appear to prevent their rivals getting a foothold in any particular area. If you think that's an OK and ethical way to conduct business then so be it. I think it stinks and I'm glad Theyre losing market share to Aldi and Lidl. like someone else has done, I would never dream of patronising them again. There is one of their stores with a petrol forecourt very near to my house. I only go there to use the free airline. We now buy our food and household requirements from a further away Aldi store and fuel for our 2 cars from a Waitrose forecourt. This is depriving Shitsburys of at least £750 per month, money We would otherwise have spent with them. I seem to remember that hey had an agreement to buy Trashton from the Sh1t for a superstore. Because of the objections that stopped them building the new stadium Shitsburys real intention with regards to Trashton was never tested, but I bet they would have rowed out that as well. If Shitsburys still have someone checking this website I hope they will report the ill-will of Gasheads and the fact that business has been diverted as a result of their unethical behaviour. You may be able to shrug your shoulders and move on; I will always detest Shitsburys, and will miss no opportunity to denigrate their name. Best post I have seen on here in ages. Nail square on head as far as i am concerned and exactly how I see it but I'm too thick to articulate it properly. Oldgas is correct - but unfortunately Shitburys are not the only supermarket to play the game - Tesco are equally complicit - although their accounting fraud shows they have played other games as well.
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Post by peterparker on May 5, 2017 9:02:37 GMT
Struggling to get the hate towards Sainsburys. I would suggest the anger is misplaced. Business is business. They look after their business, we look after ours. Had the contract been 'watertight' as we were constantly told, they would have had no room to manoeuvre. At it turned out (and unsurprising to anyone familiar with the previous board), it wasn't and they legally and legitimately pulled out. People are living in cuckoo land if they think they would have proceeded with the purchase out of a sense of 'fairness'. The minute I saw the embarrassing t-shirts and banners telling Sainsburys to 'Play Fair', it was apparent the game was over. Amateurish tactics. It's not uncommon for a football club (including ours) to offer players a new contract if they hit x amount of appearances that season and then to freeze them out and let the deal count down to zero when they move close to reaching that figure to prevent the deal. Don't see how it's massively different? Thank goodness we have competent people managing the club now. The first thing to consider is whether Shitsburys ever had any intention of completing the deal. It's not as if their behaviour wasn't without precedent. I think you will find they have a history of bidding high for parcels of land then drawing the process out before eventually abandoning the project, going to court if needs be. Southend United and a development in West Wales come readily to mind. Their sole intention would appear to prevent their rivals getting a foothold in any particular area. If you think that's an OK and ethical way to conduct business then so be it. I think it stinks and I'm glad Theyre losing market share to Aldi and Lidl. like someone else has done, I would never dream of patronising them again. There is one of their stores with a petrol forecourt very near to my house. I only go there to use the free airline. We now buy our food and household requirements from a further away Aldi store and fuel for our 2 cars from a Waitrose forecourt. This is depriving Shitsburys of at least £750 per month, money We would otherwise have spent with them. I seem to remember that hey had an agreement to buy Trashton from the Sh1t for a superstore. Because of the objections that stopped them building the new stadium Shitsburys real intention with regards to Trashton was never tested, but I bet they would have rowed out that as well. If Shitsburys still have someone checking this website I hope they will report the ill-will of Gasheads and the fact that business has been diverted as a result of their unethical behaviour. You may be able to shrug your shoulders and move on; I will always detest Shitsburys, and will miss no opportunity to denigrate their name. As I say, surely this question should be asked of Nick Higgs. If the history is there, why did we get in bed with them? answer because they were the only ones 'willing' to pay what we needed, not necessarily because it was actually the best deal
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 11:45:35 GMT
Totally agree with oldgas they never had any intention of going through with the deal and seem to have form for this, in my eyes it's not business it's fraud and it's costing other businesses time and money. Fair enough if you chose to shop there that's up you personally i do my best to avoid it but I'm not perfect yes I have used them occasionally when needs must (Argos for instance) however I can't understand why anyone would condone what they have done and are still doing.
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Post by baggins on May 5, 2017 11:47:54 GMT
Really does make you wonder how this lot continue to get away with this time and time again.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 11:50:37 GMT
Really does make you wonder how this lot continue to get away with this time and time again. Because a contract with Sainsbury's has more holes and backdoors built into it (by design) than a tramps vest !
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Post by baggins on May 5, 2017 12:07:59 GMT
Really does make you wonder how this lot continue to get away with this time and time again. Because a contract with Sainsbury's has more holes and backdoors built into it (by design) than a tramps vest ! Nothing to do with back handers and monetary gifts to political parties then?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 12:15:12 GMT
Hang on, didn't Sainsbury's pulling out expose the fact that Higgs had no contract in place with UWE and the agreement that he appeared to have a greed to wasn't one that was economical for the future of the club? Without Sainsbury's puling out from a contract that had more holes than a tea bag we could have been in deep doo doo and we would not have the current owners in place who so far have shown nothing less than being very very professional business and football men.
Thank you Sainsbury's I only shop there for my Mum's sandwich pickle.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 12:17:01 GMT
Because a contract with Sainsbury's has more holes and backdoors built into it (by design) than a tramps vest ! Nothing to do with back handers and monetary gifts to political parties then? That was all just another string on their bow.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 12:21:43 GMT
Hang on, didn't Sainsbury's pulling out expose the fact that Higgs had no contract in place with UWE and the agreement that he appeared to have a greed to wasn't one that was economical for the future of the club? Without Sainsbury's puling out from a contract that had more holes than a tea bag we could have been in deep doo doo and we would not have the current owners in place who so far have shown nothing less than being very very professional business and football men. Thank you Sainsbury's I only shop there for my Mum's sandwich pickle. Yeah, I can see why it's easy to write that, but that is all with the benefit of hindsight. At that time, there was nobody else willing to take over. NH was trying to do the best he could with his limited resources. At this point, things do appear to have worked out better, but in reality, we still have to really see proof of that though.
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Post by Marshy on May 5, 2017 12:24:34 GMT
Hang on, didn't Sainsbury's pulling out expose the fact that Higgs had no contract in place with UWE and the agreement that he appeared to have a greed to wasn't one that was economical for the future of the club? Without Sainsbury's puling out from a contract that had more holes than a tea bag we could have been in deep doo doo and we would not have the current owners in place who so far have shown nothing less than being very very professional business and football men. Thank you Sainsbury's I only shop there for my Mum's sandwich pickle. Blimey your mum must be doing alright if she's got a pickle range on sale at Sainsbury's? Fair play.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 12:31:37 GMT
Yes Sainsbury's must have known that a wealthy benefactor was waiting in the wings to pick up the pieces from Higgs debacle. Of course they didn't and it's just very lucky that happened because if it hadn't we would probably have lost dc and be actively selling our best players at the end of each season and would now be in league 2 at best in a relegation scrap. Sound familiar?
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Post by oldgas on May 5, 2017 13:01:36 GMT
Really does make you wonder how this lot continue to get away with this time and time again. Because they're ruthless B@stard whoso only concern is the bottom line. They are a huge concern with almost limitless financial muscle and the determination to face down any challenge, especially in the High Court. They pay the best legal minds to fight their court battles, backed up with their own "standard contract" which is all they will ever work to or accept. Like someone else has written, that contract has more holes, traps and secret doors than Bolders Fun Dungeon (don't ask, I was drunk, OK?) I have my suspicions that they secretly funded the TRASH action. It would have suited their purpose to take Higgs eye off the ball while they submitted that abortion of a store delivery amendment, refusal of which they used to eventually scupper the deal. B@stards.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 14:58:26 GMT
Yes Sainsbury's must have known that a wealthy benefactor was waiting in the wings to pick up the pieces from Higgs debacle. Of course they didn't and it's just very lucky that happened because if it hadn't we would probably have lost dc and be actively selling our best players at the end of each season and would now be in league 2 at best in a relegation scrap. Sound familiar? You've missed the point. Sainsbury's pulling out made us a very attractive proposition and that was why Higgs was approached with more than one offer. There was no money left, we had to resort to a wonga loan and we had planning permission for a ground which we couldn't build.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 15:00:29 GMT
Because a contract with Sainsbury's has more holes and backdoors built into it (by design) than a tramps vest ! Nothing to do with back handers and monetary gifts to political parties then? Charlotte Leslie's lawyers will be in touch
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Post by abbeygas on May 5, 2017 16:05:20 GMT
Yes Sainsbury's must have known that a wealthy benefactor was waiting in the wings to pick up the pieces from Higgs debacle. Of course they didn't and it's just very lucky that happened because if it hadn't we would probably have lost dc and be actively selling our best players at the end of each season and would now be in league 2 at best in a relegation scrap. Sound familiar? You've missed the point. Sainsbury's pulling out made us a very attractive proposition and that was why Higgs was approached with more than one offer. There was no money left, we had to resort to a wonga loan and we had planning permission for a ground which we couldn't build. I think you are missing the point as to why many people are still angry with Shamesbury's to be honest. It is extremely dubious that they ever intended building a supermarket and that they made a ridiculously high offer to buy the stadium in the full knowledge that they would never have to go through with the purchase because the contract had more holes in it than Ellis Harrison's socks. In other words the promise to buy the land was just to prevent any of their competitors building a store and they were just stringing NH and all of us along.
It may well be that BRFC are now in a better situation but Shamesbury's sure as hell did not know at the time they dropped the bombshell that a white knight would come along and save us. Having served our purpose they were quite happy to cut us loose not giving one sh** about the chaos BRFC then had to deal with.
Ps. I'm pretty sure your first name isn't Sherlock (joke by the way).
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