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Post by madgas on Jun 5, 2017 7:27:06 GMT
I fully support the UWE. But I don't believe that the mem couldn't fit a stadium of a similar size. The car park is huge! No parking at major grounds in London. - I do believe the council might reject. - it would cost loads more. (Unaffordable) - less money to make during non footie times. With full respect to your post. We could build a stadium the size of Wembley at our present site. However the planners/ local residents would for obvious reasons not be happy. Your example of London is ill thought as you do not take into consideration the far superior transport links they all have available to them. I imagine getting Bristol City council to put on even one extra bus is about as likely as their ability to build an indoor arena in less than the last thirty years to my knowledge. And then when they finally get round to contemplating to build it can not even accommodate more than a few vehicles on the site. Your last three points are in my opinion right on the money so to speak. Never said it was likely. But it is simply possible. 1) not sure that the transport to the uwe will be much better. Have you ever been there when they are running a fare/ stall/ prospectus day? The two times I've been i have ended up parking way back at Asda. (Admittedly not on Saturday). 2) furthermore, having lived in reading for 4 years - that model, similar idea- has awful traffic problems. Getting to and from the majeski is chaos. It feels uwe would be of similar design- in a busier city. 3) Ashley down station. It feels like it's happening. Would work wonders. 4) off course the local planners would reject. They're fuckers. It wouldn't be easy. But there's objections regarding every application we put in- doesn't mean you rule it out. 100% support the UWE. We've been told it's the only idea on the table at the mo. But if worst comes to the worst- plan b- can be the Mem.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 5, 2017 12:19:43 GMT
Nothing stopping anybody doing that before going to the UWE or at the ground? If they do the latter then that's an extra £20/30 per head income for the club. i don't really get the argument that watching lower league football in a ground not fir for purpose is OK simply because you can have a beer or four on Glos Rd. Just to be clear. I am 100% behind moving to a purpose built stadium. The matchday experience is a parallel topic. People will adjust their day to suit the location of the new ground. For me, it's more about meeting certain people I otherwise don't get to see them and the glos Rd is great as there are plenty of places to meet and talk, especially if you don't want huge crowds at bars. I sometimes meet in places where there is no booze. I just don't like being forced to drink on s concourse is all. I'm a glos road drinker, shoot me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 16:51:58 GMT
Just to be clear. I am 100% behind moving to a purpose built stadium. The matchday experience is a parallel topic. People will adjust their day to suit the location of the new ground. For me, it's more about meeting certain people I otherwise don't get to see them and the glos Rd is great as there are plenty of places to meet and talk, especially if you don't want huge crowds at bars. I sometimes meet in places where there is no booze. I just don't like being forced to drink on s concourse is all. I'm a glos road drinker, shoot me I do agree that concourse drinking isn't that wonderful...but if its just a quickie before kick off or at half time that's fine. It would be nice if there were cafes for those who would prefer a good cuppa tea or coffee etc instead of beer.Im sure that could be sorted on one of the plazzas at the uwe during better weather.
The problem with the mem is once it starts selling out every week the door is open to increase prices. If 9000 season tickets were sold how do people feel about paying £40 potd to stand on the Thatchers terrace ?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 5, 2017 17:19:49 GMT
For me, it's more about meeting certain people I otherwise don't get to see them and the glos Rd is great as there are plenty of places to meet and talk, especially if you don't want huge crowds at bars. I sometimes meet in places where there is no booze. I just don't like being forced to drink on s concourse is all. I'm a glos road drinker, shoot me I do agree that concourse drinking isn't that wonderful...but if its just a quickie before kick off or at half time that's fine. It would be nice if there were cafes for those who would prefer a good cuppa tea or coffee etc instead of beer.Im sure that could be sorted on one of the plazzas at the uwe during better weather.
The problem with the mem is once it starts selling out every week the door is open to increase prices. If 9000 season tickets were sold how do people feel about paying £40 potd to stand on the Thatchers terrace ?
Personally I would not go. My circumstances wouldn't allow it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 17:51:24 GMT
I do agree that concourse drinking isn't that wonderful...but if its just a quickie before kick off or at half time that's fine. It would be nice if there were cafes for those who would prefer a good cuppa tea or coffee etc instead of beer.Im sure that could be sorted on one of the plazzas at the uwe during better weather.
The problem with the mem is once it starts selling out every week the door is open to increase prices. If 9000 season tickets were sold how do people feel about paying £40 potd to stand on the Thatchers terrace ?
Personally I would not go. My circumstances wouldn't allow it. Would that be to all home games or would you try to go to the odd one ? if you could get a ticket..
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jun 5, 2017 19:01:28 GMT
Personally I would not go. My circumstances wouldn't allow it. Would that be to all home games or would you try to go to the odd one ? if you could get a ticket.. Surely there gets a time when too much is too much? For me, I can equate it to a tour being announced for a band I really want to go and see, and then finding out it's £70 a head to get in. I won't go because in my mind that is just too much for 2 hours of entertainment. Football is going the same way, especially at Premier League level. Why pay £40 - £50 a head when, let's be honest, half the time the product won't be up to much anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 19:51:51 GMT
Would that be to all home games or would you try to go to the odd one ? if you could get a ticket.. Surely there gets a time when too much is too much? For me, I can equate it to a tour being announced for a band I really want to go and see, and then finding out it's £70 a head to get in. I won't go because in my mind that is just too much for 2 hours of entertainment. Football is going the same way, especially at Premier League level. Why pay £40 - £50 a head when, let's be honest, half the time the product won't be up to much anyway. As regards the price of tickets for the Premier league, I would hope if we were able to reach those dizzy heights that our club would be charging similar amounts to the likes of Swansea. For example adult season tickets from £419, OAP and concessions from £279 and under sixteens from £69. Membership of their supporters club the jack army costs £7.50 and this allows you to purchase away tickets for £20 as well as other discounts. If the likes of Swansea can do this with a 20k capacity stadium surely our owners would be following that model and not the likes of Chelsea, Man city etc who charge the stupid money prices.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 5, 2017 20:07:09 GMT
Personally I would not go. My circumstances wouldn't allow it. Would that be to all home games or would you try to go to the odd one ? if you could get a ticket.. Whatever I could afford basically. I've had friends give unused ST
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 20:47:36 GMT
Surely there gets a time when too much is too much? For me, I can equate it to a tour being announced for a band I really want to go and see, and then finding out it's £70 a head to get in. I won't go because in my mind that is just too much for 2 hours of entertainment. Football is going the same way, especially at Premier League level. Why pay £40 - £50 a head when, let's be honest, half the time the product won't be up to much anyway. As regards the price of tickets for the Premier league, I would hope if we were able to reach those dizzy heights that our club would be charging similar amounts to the likes of Swansea. For example adult season tickets from £419, OAP and concessions from £279 and under sixteens from £69. Membership of their supporters club the jack army costs £7.50 and this allows you to purchase away tickets for £20 as well as other discounts. If the likes of Swansea can do this with a 20k capacity stadium surely our owners would be following that model and not the likes of Chelsea, Man city etc who charge the stupid money prices. I think Premier league is a different thing as the money even for finishing bottom is massive. I was more looking at Rovers playing championship football in what could be a 12,000 max stadium which if it were to be turned to seating would probably drop to about 8-9,000 (?). Obviously pay on the day wouldn't actually exist it would be advanced tickets only. So if for example Rovers were finding the say 1500 available tickets sell out online in about half an hour with a few thousand going on the waiting list for ticket returns Then the club knows there is high demand and could quite easily push the price up . Just a hypothetical potential downside for success whilst still at the Mem.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 5, 2017 21:05:15 GMT
As regards the price of tickets for the Premier league, I would hope if we were able to reach those dizzy heights that our club would be charging similar amounts to the likes of Swansea. For example adult season tickets from £419, OAP and concessions from £279 and under sixteens from £69. Membership of their supporters club the jack army costs £7.50 and this allows you to purchase away tickets for £20 as well as other discounts. If the likes of Swansea can do this with a 20k capacity stadium surely our owners would be following that model and not the likes of Chelsea, Man city etc who charge the stupid money prices. I think Premier league is a different thing as the money even for finishing bottom is massive. I was more looking at Rovers playing championship football in what could be a 12,000 max stadium which if it were to be turned to seating would probably drop to about 8-9,000 (?). Obviously pay on the day wouldn't actually exist it would be advanced tickets only. So if for example Rovers were finding the say 1500 available tickets sell out online in about half an hour with a few thousand going on the waiting list for ticket returns Then the club knows there is high demand and could quite easily push the price up . Just a hypothetical potential downside for success whilst still at the Mem.
If somebody is daft enough to pay £40 for a ticket it doesn't really matter if most of us wouldn't pay that as the club, will be selling the the tickets to a new set of fans if they are selling out every match? Although there's only so much fans will pay for ticket before they decide to spend their money elsewhere.
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Post by simon1883 on Jun 6, 2017 13:10:22 GMT
With full respect to your post. We could build a stadium the size of Wembley at our present site. However the planners/ local residents would for obvious reasons not be happy. Your example of London is ill thought as you do not take into consideration the far superior transport links they all have available to them. I imagine getting Bristol City council to put on even one extra bus is about as likely as their ability to build an indoor arena in less than the last thirty years to my knowledge. And then when they finally get round to contemplating to build it can not even accommodate more than a few vehicles on the site. Your last three points are in my opinion right on the money so to speak. Never said it was likely. But it is simply possible. 1) not sure that the transport to the uwe will be much better. Have you ever been there when they are running a fare/ stall/ prospectus day? The two times I've been i have ended up parking way back at Asda. (Admittedly not on Saturday). 2) furthermore, having lived in reading for 4 years - that model, similar idea- has awful traffic problems. Getting to and from the majeski is chaos. It feels uwe would be of similar design- in a busier city. 3) Ashley down station. It feels like it's happening. Would work wonders.4) off course the local planners would reject. They're fuckers. It wouldn't be easy. But there's objections regarding every application we put in- doesn't mean you rule it out. 100% support the UWE. We've been told it's the only idea on the table at the mo. But if worst comes to the worst- plan b- can be the Mem. Passive provision only for 3 platforms.
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Post by singupgas on Jun 6, 2017 23:13:04 GMT
7th June already, 1 to 2 months now to get cracking. each week goes by I am more pessimistic about UWE being built.
I find it hard to believe deal wouldn't have been done already if it was going ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 5:54:47 GMT
7th June already, 1 to 2 months now to get cracking. each week goes by I am more pessimistic about UWE being built. I find it hard to believe deal wouldn't have been done already if it was going ahead. Penny dropped! People remaining pretty quiet on the inevitable outcome aren't they! This is why we need a public plan B. It would serve 2 purposes. One to ensure the supporters are reassured that we are moving forwards regardless. Two, to have a stronger negotiating hand with UWE and the other interested parties.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 6:52:12 GMT
7th June already, 1 to 2 months now to get cracking. each week goes by I am more pessimistic about UWE being built. I find it hard to believe deal wouldn't have been done already if it was going ahead. Penny dropped! People remaining pretty quiet on the inevitable outcome aren't they! This is why we need a public plan B. It would serve 2 purposes. One to ensure the supporters are reassured that we are moving forwards regardless. Two, to have a stronger negotiating hand with UWE and the other interested parties. Agree with you Simon as regards a plan B would reassure the support base, but I don't believe one would give us a stronger negotiating base with UWE. I feel the credibility of our owners will go downhill rapidly if we get to August and they announce that the UWE is a no go and they don't announce the details of a plan B. As far as I am concerned any businessman worth his salt will always have a plan B. And by details I mean location and planning etc all set and ready to be applied for.
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Post by Mr Pond on Jun 7, 2017 7:34:35 GMT
The price for the land could have already been agreed and they are just sorting out contracts for the purchase of the stadium and for the other plots they may require. They would have to sort out the contracts for the naming rights of the stadium and also for the use of any parts of the stadium the UWE would require. I would imagine this would take time but really its all pie in the sky. Just have to wait and see
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Post by spiess1 on Jun 7, 2017 10:32:39 GMT
"...Just have to wait and see...." You're quite new at this, aren't you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 10:58:24 GMT
It has gone on too long I feel.
Under the Higgs plan, UWE had a constant income stream, and they still owned the land. Under the AQ plan, I think that this has disappeared for the UWE, hence the deadlock.
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Post by spiess1 on Jun 7, 2017 11:15:03 GMT
Dreadlock Holiday (10cc).
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Post by gasincider on Jun 7, 2017 11:40:35 GMT
It has gone on too long I feel. Under the Higgs plan, UWE had a constant income stream, and they still owned the land. Under the AQ plan, I think that this has disappeared for the UWE, hence the deadlock. Hence the feasibility report. There is no argument with that. If it doesn't show sufficient income streams to repay the build costs and an element of additional profit to fund the club, the stadium won't happen. UWE know that, AQ and SH know that and even we as fans know that. Therefore, as talks are still going on (supposedly), UWE will know that element is non negotiable, so they must have accepted that because there is no alternative. Therefore, as no one has said the project is dead, it has obviously got past that stage, and as SH has confirmed we have passed the guarantees stage for the funding, the only thing left is the contract, which will be scrutinised by both legal teams to get a form of words acceptable to both sides. If this is not the case, then someone has been telling porkies, and I don't think this has occured. So I remain positive. Just to reiterate for those who dont don't seem to accept it, SH has confirmed quite openly that the land at UWE will be held on a leasehold basis.
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Post by gasstrictband on Jun 7, 2017 11:59:36 GMT
How Long Has This Been Going On, by Ace.
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