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JCH
Sept 3, 2023 9:32:56 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 3, 2023 9:32:56 GMT
Not necessarily Higgs Starnes Hamer All we’re derided and rightfully so but all have their own strengths and weaknesses. By making this about ‘a failed transfer’ it shows you have completely failed to digest what I was posting about. As my comment isn’t driven purely by that. Commercially maybe we’re a bit swankier but would we have got caught out by the deadline and the tricks to overcome it? What about the planning and comms mess for the new stand? Ticket fiascos. Don’t remember anything like this under the rest of Waels ownership and a lot of it is basics. It's about the transfer. Without that you would not have gone on a rant and confirmed it was the straw... All of those directors oversaw this club and there has never been a time where we have been truly 'professional', whatever that looks like. The stand? OK so what did any of those 3 do to improve the matchday environment? Positives here really for me. We have kept our best players. Under previous ownership AC would have been gone! We are making bids for players who are rated highly and the recent bid was allegedly around £800k. This is new territory for Rovers you know. It's about the transfer of jch and some of the remarks on this thread are Dam ridiculous. But as I’ve said before those improvements are due to the investment Wael is putting in. Without that investment we wouldn’t have been making those steps forward you’ve suggested. And there’s nothing to suggest that we wouldn’t have done that under previous directorships if the funding wasn’t available.
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JCH
Sept 3, 2023 8:16:49 GMT
Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 3, 2023 8:16:49 GMT
Do you want to prepare any thoughts from since Wael arrived or do you want to share examples from over 25 years ago. I’m talking recent history. You didn't specify.. So the debate is on the clubs professionalism now compared to Higgs tenure? This has come to the forefront because of a failed transfer yes? Not necessarily Higgs Starnes Hamer All we’re derided and rightfully so but all have their own strengths and weaknesses. By making this about ‘a failed transfer’ it shows you have completely failed to digest what I was posting about. As my comment isn’t driven purely by that. Commercially maybe we’re a bit swankier but would we have got caught out by the deadline and the tricks to overcome it? What about the planning and comms mess for the new stand? Ticket fiascos. Don’t remember anything like this under the rest of Waels ownership and a lot of it is basics.
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JCH
Sept 3, 2023 8:07:22 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 3, 2023 8:07:22 GMT
There’s a lot of back and forth about if this was all the clubs fault or if Peterborough are making up porky pies. I have defended the club in the past for some things, criticised it for others in what I would hope to be a constructive way. Take the south stand for instance where I defended the management. Or ticketing fiascos where I have criticised the club (for balance - the new system works fantastically though from my own personal experience). However now the straw has broken the camels back and I’ve had enough. I’m not inclined to believe what comes out of the clubs management. Of course, Darragh MacAnthony and Darren Ferguson may well turn out to be telling half truths. But they have far less to gain from it than Gorringe and Co do. It may well turn out that agents moving goalposts caused the issues. But how many more times will we come undone like this? Stadium improvements without proper planning permission being lodged in time and no contingency plans. No communication about what’s going on. Ticketing fiascos where the season tickets get sent weeks after the first game. Then don’t work. Multiple seasons in a row. Going cashless but still having to take cash because the systems fail. CEOs mate gets hired and drops a bolluck continually including making deals for our rivals name to be plastered on players armbands (I’ve seen their logos on a van without the Bristol City Centre part so someone is having a laugh somewhere) And these are just the recent ones that I can care to remember myself. We are a far less professional outfit than we have been in the past I’m afraid. I would like to observe though that the management does not include Wael who continues to do his best to fund improvements in the playing and non playing aspects of the club. That’s where the improvement is coming from. It's amazing what a failed transfer can do to people! How are we less professional than when we spent 10 years at Baths ground with directors offering jobs for the boys? I played for Rovers as a kid at Frys, it wasn't very professional getting changed in a shed! Our players used to emerge from a shipping container at the Mem🤣 How big was your camels back BTW? Do you want to prepare any thoughts from since Wael arrived or do you want to share examples from over 25 years ago. I’m talking recent history.
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JCH
Sept 3, 2023 8:02:54 GMT
Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 3, 2023 8:02:54 GMT
There’s a lot of back and forth about if this was all the clubs fault or if Peterborough are making up porky pies. I have defended the club in the past for some things, criticised it for others in what I would hope to be a constructive way. Take the south stand for instance where I defended the management. Or ticketing fiascos where I have criticised the club (for balance - the new system works fantastically though from my own personal experience). However now the straw has broken the camels back and I’ve had enough. I’m not inclined to believe what comes out of the clubs management. Of course, Darragh MacAnthony and Darren Ferguson may well turn out to be telling half truths. But they have far less to gain from it than Gorringe and Co do. It may well turn out that agents moving goalposts caused the issues. But how many more times will we come undone like this? Stadium improvements without proper planning permission being lodged in time and no contingency plans. No communication about what’s going on. Ticketing fiascos where the season tickets get sent weeks after the first game. Then don’t work. Multiple seasons in a row. Going cashless but still having to take cash because the systems fail. CEOs mate gets hired and drops a bolluck continually including making deals for our rivals name to be plastered on players armbands (I’ve seen their logos on a van without the Bristol City Centre part so someone is having a laugh somewhere) And these are just the recent ones that I can care to remember myself. We are a far less professional outfit than we have been in the past I’m afraid. I would like to observe though that the management does not include Wael who continues to do his best to fund improvements in the playing and non playing aspects of the club. That’s where the improvement is coming from. So you've had enough huh? What does that mean? Handing the Season Ticket in? Protesting outside the Directors Box? Giving up the Moderator Arm Band? Or we'll just hear about your day at the Port Vale game when you've calmed down a bit? Simply that I don’t rate the off the field management of the club. I won’t be tearing up my season ticket, won’t be doing any protests. None of that will achieve anything. This is a discussion forum. Is sharing opinions on the clubs direction not allowed? I share my opinion good, bad or indifferent and say what I see. I think I’m pretty balanced. Annoyingly I can’t make the Port Vale game for work reasons so you won’t be hearing any comment from me on that one. Unless you mean the Lincoln game in which case my view is that I CBF to discuss that because it’s disappointing but not a disaster as I think the squad needs to settle. Which is why I haven’t commented on any of the games just yet really this season because that’s my repeated take on it.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 3, 2023 7:55:01 GMT
Well to Quote 'some people think it's all over' folks 'it is now' ! lets move on. Could not believe it when i awoke to find another 10 pages on something i thought was over! MY final comment on the subject, Peterborough a very tricky club to deal with, JCH did not really have his heart in a move back here which given our current facilities is not surprising ,and Rovers are naïve and wet behind the ears regarding administrative issues. ON we go! Reportedly he’s devastated so not sure that’s true.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 3, 2023 7:30:45 GMT
There’s a lot of back and forth about if this was all the clubs fault or if Peterborough are making up porky pies.
I have defended the club in the past for some things, criticised it for others in what I would hope to be a constructive way. Take the south stand for instance where I defended the management. Or ticketing fiascos where I have criticised the club (for balance - the new system works fantastically though from my own personal experience).
However now the straw has broken the camels back and I’ve had enough. I’m not inclined to believe what comes out of the clubs management.
Of course, Darragh MacAnthony and Darren Ferguson may well turn out to be telling half truths. But they have far less to gain from it than Gorringe and Co do. It may well turn out that agents moving goalposts caused the issues. But how many more times will we come undone like this?
Stadium improvements without proper planning permission being lodged in time and no contingency plans. No communication about what’s going on.
Ticketing fiascos where the season tickets get sent weeks after the first game. Then don’t work. Multiple seasons in a row.
Going cashless but still having to take cash because the systems fail.
CEOs mate gets hired and drops a bolluck continually including making deals for our rivals name to be plastered on players armbands (I’ve seen their logos on a van without the Bristol City Centre part so someone is having a laugh somewhere)
And these are just the recent ones that I can care to remember myself.
We are a far less professional outfit than we have been in the past I’m afraid.
I would like to observe though that the management does not include Wael who continues to do his best to fund improvements in the playing and non playing aspects of the club. That’s where the improvement is coming from.
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JCH
Sept 2, 2023 19:02:48 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 2, 2023 19:02:48 GMT
Interesting hearing this take.
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JCH
Sept 2, 2023 12:56:23 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 2, 2023 12:56:23 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 2, 2023 12:42:38 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 2, 2023 12:33:16 GMT
Right, never mind we’ll just get promoted via the autos instead of winning it.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 2, 2023 10:24:03 GMT
Very, very surprised we've not had a tweet from big mouth DMacc. Makes me think we aren't the ones responsible for this mess, perhaps? That or it’s not quite over yet. Perhaps not quite over in the way we tried to sue Sainsburys for pulling out over the UWE stadium. But not quite over.
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JCH
Sept 2, 2023 10:12:14 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 2, 2023 10:12:14 GMT
Are we appealing? I’d hope we are.
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JCH
Sept 2, 2023 9:35:14 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 2, 2023 9:35:14 GMT
I’m still hoping this is one big massive wind up and that he’ll be announced before the match.
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JCH
Sept 2, 2023 9:04:00 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 2, 2023 9:04:00 GMT
Question. Is it possible for a player to be deregistered by their club. Have a contract with a new club but not be registered as a player for them. Then when window opens in jan register for new club ? Can we de register our CEO?
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JCH
Sept 2, 2023 8:48:22 GMT
Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 2, 2023 8:48:22 GMT
I think strangest thing has been that the club has been deadly silent all week.
You would expect at least to see a Matchday tweet this morning by this point but nothing.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 2, 2023 8:36:07 GMT
With a sore head but clearer mindset this morning massive excitement for the season ahead has subsided. However if we hadn’t have been in it for Jonson we’d probably be looking back at the window as a massive success. And it still is.
It’s just a shame we didn’t fill that striker position as it would make a massive difference
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JCH
Sept 1, 2023 23:38:37 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 1, 2023 23:38:37 GMT
So they had an hour and a half to do what they needed to?
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JCH
Sept 1, 2023 23:35:55 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 1, 2023 23:35:55 GMT
Millwall Tone's happened after the deadline didn't it? He had been released. Don’t think you can do that where a fee is involved.
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JCH
Sept 1, 2023 23:32:23 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 1, 2023 23:32:23 GMT
Maybe I've got way too much optimism but I still think the situation could be something like: We had terms, fee agreeed, medical done, paperwork signed. There was an error with said paperwork. Officially JCH deal is off. Unofficially, we're applying for an extension under extenuated circumstances, and there is still some feeling within the club we could still get this over the line. Genuinely think they'd tweet something like 'Goodnight gasheads, nothing more from BS7. If that wasn't the case. Nah theyll brush under the carpet like the club brush everything under the carpet.
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JCH
Sept 1, 2023 23:30:30 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 1, 2023 23:30:30 GMT
Another Gorringe masterclass…. Getting beyond a joke now. Professional though because he says professional. He can follow Bright out of the door. Makes Starnes and Hamer look professional. That says a massive amount.
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