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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jul 27, 2017 14:32:49 GMT
Got to be honest, I tend to agree and said something similar in another thread. We're weaker in goal because I don't believe either of our new keepers are as good as Lumley. However, both are competent so I'm not overly concerned about our keepers. We're weaker in the centre of defence because we've lost McChrystal, Clarke-Salter, Hartley and Sweeney with only Broadbent - who has never played league football - coming in. Not only are we short on numbers but from what I've seen of Broadbent I don't acually think he is as good as Hartley yet. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't end up being a better player he still looks like he has a lot to learn so not really ready to be thrown into league 1 football at this stage. So in my opinion short on numbers and quality. Full back positions are similar to last year with Bola coming in for Harris. Not sure whether that's an improvement or not at this stage. In the centre of midfield we've lost Colkett and Boateng and replaced them with Sercombe so we're short on numbers but probably on par in terms of quality. We're weaker out wide because we've lost Montana and haven't replaced him. We only have two recongnised first team wingers in our squad and based on their appearances last season I'm not convinced Moore is a better option tham Monty. We're weaker up front because we've lost Taylor, James and Easter with only Nichols coming in. So we're lacking quality and numbers because none of our current strikers will get 20+ in my opinion. The 4 sigings DC wants to make are essential if we're to have a decent season and at least 3 of the 4 need to be better than what we have. The centre back, winger and striker have to be good enough to be in the starting 11. It's a flawed comparison though because a lot of those players weren't with us at the same time last season. You're comparing the squad now to the squad throughout last season. I think midfield and fullbacks are a lot stronger for example as Boateng and Colkett didn't offer much at all abd we have so much depth in the full back positions now. I agree with this. For example, saying we've lost both Sweeney and Mcchrystal is ridiculous because Sweeney came in as Mcchrystal left.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 27, 2017 14:47:05 GMT
This thread is a week too early.
End of.
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Post by GasAttacK on Jul 27, 2017 14:47:25 GMT
It's a flawed comparison though because a lot of those players weren't with us at the same time last season. You're comparing the squad now to the squad throughout last season. I think midfield and fullbacks are a lot stronger for example as Boateng and Colkett didn't offer much at all abd we have so much depth in the full back positions now. I agree with this. For example, saying we've lost both Sweeney and Mcchrystal is ridiculous because Sweeney came in as Mcchrystal left. That's a fair point, I forgot McChrystal left before the end of the season. To be better than last year we need a CB of Sweeney's standard, a defensive midfielder who is beter than Boateng, a winger who is better than Moore / Montana and a striker who might realistically expect to get 20+ goals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 14:50:08 GMT
This thread is a week too early. End of. No No No, What happens if we sign a player or two in that time? Can't have a good oldfashioned meltdown then.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 27, 2017 14:55:47 GMT
This thread is a week too early. End of. No No No, What happens if we sign a player or two in that time? Can't have a good oldfashioned meltdown then. Answer to that one is easy, any players we do sign will obviously be poor players who we have had to get in last minute as DC is a poor manager and left it all to the last minute.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 15:14:30 GMT
August has been a TERRIBLE month - we've signed nobody at all yet. Plus, how many league games did we win in July - none, total joke.
The players have been basically absent on the pitch, no passion, they aren't even turning up. The tactics have been inept with an open goalmouth, empty midfield and nothing at all upfront.
Plus, the 20/21 season is going awful too, no squad whatsoever and potentially decrepit Lines in midfield, what is DC thinking.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2017 15:21:37 GMT
Got to be honest, I tend to agree and said something similar in another thread. We're weaker in goal because I don't believe either of our new keepers are as good as Lumley. However, both are competent so I'm not overly concerned about our keepers. We're weaker in the centre of defence because we've lost McChrystal, Clarke-Salter, Hartley and Sweeney with only Broadbent - who has never played league football - coming in. Not only are we short on numbers but from what I've seen of Broadbent I don't acually think he is as good as Hartley yet. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't end up being a better player he still looks like he has a lot to learn so not really ready to be thrown into league 1 football at this stage. So in my opinion short on numbers and quality. Full back positions are similar to last year with Bola coming in for Harris. Not sure whether that's an improvement or not at this stage. In the centre of midfield we've lost Colkett and Boateng and replaced them with Sercombe so we're short on numbers but probably on par in terms of quality. We're weaker out wide because we've lost Montana and haven't replaced him. We only have two recongnised first team wingers in our squad and based on their appearances last season I'm not convinced Moore is a better option tham Monty. We're weaker up front because we've lost Taylor, James and Easter with only Nichols coming in. So we're lacking quality and numbers because none of our current strikers will get 20+ in my opinion. The 4 sigings DC wants to make are essential if we're to have a decent season and at least 3 of the 4 need to be better than what we have. The centre back, winger and striker have to be good enough to be in the starting 11. It's a flawed comparison though because a lot of those players weren't with us at the same time last season. You're comparing the squad now to the squad throughout last season. I think midfield and fullbacks are a lot stronger for example as Boateng and Colkett didn't offer much at all abd we have so much depth in the full back positions now. Why can't we compare the squad at the end of last season, which finished 10th to the one we have at present, which we hope will finish in the top 6? If we do then CH & LW need filling to replace Sweeney and Monty plus our strike force looks weak without a replacement for Easter and also competition for Gaffers/Ellis, although DC's said as much anyway recently.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 27, 2017 15:27:49 GMT
It's a flawed comparison though because a lot of those players weren't with us at the same time last season. You're comparing the squad now to the squad throughout last season. I think midfield and fullbacks are a lot stronger for example as Boateng and Colkett didn't offer much at all abd we have so much depth in the full back positions now. Why can't we compare the squad at the end of last season, which finished 10th to the one we have at present, which we hope will finish in the top 6? If we do then CH & LW need filling to replace Sweeney and Monty plus our strike force looks weak without a replacement for Easter and also competition for Gaffers/Ellis, although DC's said as much anyway recently. That is a fairer comparison topper. All those positions you mention do need stegthening but DC in his defence, has already said he is looking to strengthen in these positions. We shall have to wait and see who we sign and then we can make a fairer judgement on DC and the team.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 27, 2017 15:29:41 GMT
I agree with this. For example, saying we've lost both Sweeney and Mcchrystal is ridiculous because Sweeney came in as Mcchrystal left. That's a fair point, I forgot McChrystal left before the end of the season. To be better than last year we need a CB of Sweeney's standard, a defensive midfielder who is beter than Boateng, a winger who is better than Moore / Montana and a striker who might realistically expect to get 20+ goals. That last sentence - are you already writing off Tom Nichols? We do need another striker though as competition for Nichols.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 15:36:43 GMT
People are being far to impatient knocking signings, players the board FFS the season hasn't even kicked off and your all moaning and bitching like little girls anyone would think this was One Turd next there will be a thread wanting DC and the board out.
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 27, 2017 15:41:49 GMT
GGMI- I DID NOT AND WOULD NOT STOP THE MATCH REPORTS BECAUSE OF ANY COMMENT YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE HAS MADE.
I have always said that they are how I saw the game and that opens up for other peoples views/opinions/criticisms. Surely that is the ideal of anything written on the forum. I am giving up the match reports purely because of the time they take and having too many hobbies to do.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2017 16:00:54 GMT
GGMI- I DID NOT AND WOULD NOT STOP THE MATCH REPORTS BECAUSE OF ANY COMMENT YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE HAS MADE. I have always said that they are how I saw the game and that opens up for other peoples views/opinions/criticisms. Surely that is the ideal of anything written on the forum. I am giving up the match reports purely because of the time they take and having too many hobbies to do. SteveK who do you think you are Justin Bieber? Get a grip man!
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Post by cheniesgas on Jul 27, 2017 16:10:26 GMT
Regardless of who we bring in and the players that go the other way, I am always outwardly pessimistic about our chances year on year. This is probably because I believe that any kind of complacency or arrogance will come back to bite us. This team, regardless of what happens with transfers in the next few weeks, has far exceeded any expectations I had and I sincerely hope this continues. However, I am not going to say that it will- I would much rather wait to be pleasantly surprised.In an ideal world, it would be nice to get two or three quality signings in the next month although once again, I would still try to dampen down the optimism as I am convinced that it would be our undoing. I would not want to suddenly jump onto Rich's bus just because we look good on paper. What I do know is that we have retained a strong core of players who play for the shirt and have experience- Lines, Lockyer, Bodin, Brown, O Clarke, Leads, Sinclair,Gaffers. These players wont let us down but whether they can keep over achieving is another question. I wait to be pleasantly surprised once again.
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Post by bluegas on Jul 27, 2017 16:14:12 GMT
I couldn't disagree with what we require, etc., etc.. But, er, well,maybe it isn't that easy, maybe fees/wages, etc., are unrealistic. Maybe players don't want to move. And surely we're all aware by now DC wants players who want to play for us & are totally committed, not journeymen looking only for a pay packet. It ain't like you pop round Tesco or Morrisons for them.
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Post by spiess1 on Jul 27, 2017 16:41:07 GMT
You also seem to forget Burn, gasattack.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jul 27, 2017 16:57:42 GMT
Smith is better than Lumley IMO. Sweeney was also an unknown, as was Lumley and as you have said they were probably our best at the back. I think it's unfair to say we are far worse off. Did DC not get us a certain goalscorer who now plays across the river? If 20 goal a season strikers were so easy to come by there would be a lot more than the 3 or so players who score that much in each league.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 16:59:11 GMT
Did we sign someone or four?!
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Post by paulpirate on Jul 27, 2017 17:28:17 GMT
This thread is a week too early. End of. so is your username
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2017 17:44:09 GMT
Smith is better than Lumley IMO. Sweeney was also an unknown, as was Lumley and as you have said they were probably our best at the back. I think it's unfair to say we are far worse off. Did DC not get us a certain goalscorer who now plays across the river? If 20 goal a season strikers were so easy to come by there would be a lot more than the 3 or so players who score that much in each league. Re Sweeney, Stoke paid £250K for him from AFC Dons so he was hardly an unknown, meanwhile DC signed Broadbent on a free after he was part of the Hayes team relegated from a division below the National leagues, perhaps DC's found another non-league gem, if so, it's odd no league team nearer to Hayes seemed interested in signing him. Strike force wise Nichols seems a good signing, but where's the replacements for Easter & James/Lucas plus are Gaffers/Ellis really good enough to lead a top 6 attack like say Steve Morison did for Millwall? Although a lot of the recent negativity on here must be down to SH saying DC had a top 6 budget, why not just say he'd been given a better budget and we aimed to improve on last season's top 10 finish, as I sense that's where we are at present although Bury & Northampton etc my have upped their games over the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 17:53:34 GMT
Smith is better than Lumley IMO. Sweeney was also an unknown, as was Lumley and as you have said they were probably our best at the back. I think it's unfair to say we are far worse off. Did DC not get us a certain goalscorer who now plays across the river? If 20 goal a season strikers were so easy to come by there would be a lot more than the 3 or so players who score that much in each league. Although a lot of the recent negativity on here must be down to SH saying DC had a top 6 budget, why not just say he'd been given a better budget and we aimed to improve on last season's top 10 finish, as I sense that's where we are at present although Bury & Northampton etc my have upped their games over the summer. Think most people expected the Gas to flash the cash by signing big marque name signings with that statement hence the disappointed with who we've signed so far
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