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Post by jungleboogie on Nov 1, 2017 9:07:28 GMT
And in doing so registering their support for a competition which jepodises lower league football as we know it. Hats off to all who took the difficult decision not to attend tonight. And hats off to the faithful supporters who went No
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 9:09:19 GMT
If that is the case, then how are you going to play your part in preventing it? The most we can do as fans is avoid the games involving these U21 teams, yet you still chose to attend to "support the club"? If this does lead to U21 teams being brought into the lower leagues then surely you would be helping the club more by not attending? I dont wish to be argumentative but here goes. I dont support the introduction of U21 teams into the lower leagues. I went to the game last night and enjoyed the match. Boycotting the game by supporters will have zero effect on whether u21 teams are included in the lower leagues. Its fact that the people in power will do whats the most lucrative for their interests and their interests alone. Boycotting the games only has one effect and thats the revenue of BRFC. Posters talk of democracy, there is no democracy in football, there is not even democracy in the UK. The UK is a republic, difference being that in a democratic state the people vote directly on the issues. In a republic the people elect representatives to vote on their behalf. In football its money that decides. By boycotting the games you may even be playing into their hands, it may generate the opinion ......." look how bad the attendances are, we must do something to change that" and that something will always benefit them, not the lower league clubs. One last point, if people are so adamant that they boycott the games, why were they not at the games handing out leaflets , making some sort of protest or having discussions with the supporters who are attending the game. Guess I already know the answer to that one, keyboards dont work very well on podiums. By all means carry on your boycott, its your right to do so, as its mine to attend the game without being harassed. Just be careful of what effect, if any, you think you may have, as it maybe not the one you are aiming for. Zero effect? Nonsense. Boycotting and protests from supporters have already led to plans for the Whole Game Solution being shelved by the EFL. As you point out, owners will do what's in their interests and their interests alone. If their key stakeholders, supporters, turn their back and withdraw their support it's inevitable that strategy will change accordingly. A major factor in the Premier League's desire to field U23 teams in lower league competition is the opportunity to gain real match experience and that won't materialise in empty stadiums. Fans/supporters collectively hold all the cards for the long term direction of lower league football and it's our choice whether that power is exercised. A publicised and significant boycott clearly wouldn't play into their hands either. The EFL are clearly aware of the major objections to this trial so they're hardly likely to ramp up the action to make the situation significantly worse are they? Your final point. The reach of internet forums such of this are vast and enable debates and views to be shared with ease. This is the ideal platform to get that message across, albeit I'd be more than happy to hand out leaflets if I thought it would be productive. I'd be more than happy to have a discussion with you or anyone in person and certainly wouldn't say anything on here I wouldn't say to someone in conversation. Not one person on here has ever denied the right of anyone to attend these games. Several, including me, have questioned it as many believe our long term interests as a club are damaged by the roll of out of U23 teams in lower league competition.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 9:11:01 GMT
Until Corbyn gets elected it's a democracy, and you can go if you wish. Typical keyboard bullies slagging you off. I didn't go because I don't agree with pretend teams being in it, but I respect your right to choose Henbury. In fact, over 1500 decided it was right to go, and about 20 keyboard bullies on here say don't. No probs Henbury. You know and I know that if these sh*t teams were ever to get in the league the people to blame are the CLUBS who voted to accept them into this competition. In reality, it won't happen. Mind you, you probably went coz you 'thought it was the WH first team'. Just like those who voted for Brexit aren't as intelligent as those who voted remain. Always stand up to bullies and make your choice. People died to give you the choice. Keyboard bullies? Internet forums are a place for debate and discussion. Passionately defending a viewpoint hardly constitutes bullying.
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Post by amgas on Nov 1, 2017 9:49:48 GMT
Says the keyboard bully slagging off the democratically elected leader of a political party who is fully supportive of democracy and has support of a fair percentage of the electorate - do you see the irony in that ? :-) Lets be honest almost every UK government, Labour, Conservative or Coalition for years has only had the support of the minority of the electorate.
Anyway Football forum best leave politics out of it !
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Post by gonzales on Nov 1, 2017 9:59:58 GMT
Who's coming to Bristol Rovers boys Vs. Forest Green boys tomorrow in the FA youth cup? See you there!
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 1, 2017 10:05:08 GMT
This is a non competition and the sooner it dies the better. How on earth prem sides can put out youths and yet if Rovers make 11 changes they get fined is an absolute disgrace. Playing into the hands of the big boys and killing lower league clubs in the process. Don't care that Rovers lost last night, don't care who finds it funny that Rovers lost. Concentrate on the league and keep boycotting until the FA get the message.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 10:12:30 GMT
Until Corbyn gets elected it's a democracy, and you can go if you wish. Typical keyboard bullies slagging you off. I didn't go because I don't agree with pretend teams being in it, but I respect your right to choose Henbury. In fact, over 1500 decided it was right to go, and about 20 keyboard bullies on here say don't. No probs Henbury. You know and I know that if these sh*t teams were ever to get in the league the people to blame are the CLUBS who voted to accept them into this competition. In reality, it won't happen. Mind you, you probably went coz you 'thought it was the WH first team'. Just like those who voted for Brexit aren't as intelligent as those who voted remain. Always stand up to bullies and make your choice. People died to give you the choice. Keyboard bullies? Internet forums are a place for debate and discussion. Passionately defending a viewpoint hardly constitutes bullying. Nothing wrong with trying to change someones mind set through dialogue, if after listening to the reasons they choose to keep their opinion that's their decision and i accept it, if just one changes their mind then it was worth it. Iv'e always stood up to bullies and argued my case, people died to give us the right to challenge things we see as wrong too.
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Post by stevek192 on Nov 1, 2017 10:18:18 GMT
The only way I see the under 23 teams being taken out of this cup is one of two ways 1. For all the league teams to beat them and beat them well in the early rounds 2 For two u23 to reach the final and the crowd be ridiculously low. As regards them coming into the League, I just cant see them getting enough votes but unfortunately in the game today money counts and if the big clubs want them in there is nothing anybody can do about it. The game is run by cretins and will continue that way. It is the Premiership and Sky that destroyed our game and greed and that will continue. Be fair at this present time we are further adrift from the Championship than we have ever been- not in position terms but in relation to money.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 1, 2017 10:30:39 GMT
The only way I see the under 23 teams being taken out of this cup is one of two ways 1. For all the league teams to beat them and beat them well in the early rounds 2 For two u23 to reach the final and the crowd be ridiculously low. As regards them coming into the League, I just cant see them getting enough votes but unfortunately in the game today money counts and if the big clubs want them in there is nothing anybody can do about it. The game is run by cretins and will continue that way. It is the Premiership and Sky that destroyed our game and greed and that will continue. Be fair at this present time we are further adrift from the Championship than we have ever been- not in position terms but in relation to money. 3. Break their legs.
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Post by newmarketgas on Nov 1, 2017 10:46:47 GMT
The only way I see the under 23 teams being taken out of this cup is one of two ways 1. For all the league teams to beat them and beat them well in the early rounds 2 For two u23 to reach the final and the crowd be ridiculously low. As regards them coming into the League, I just cant see them getting enough votes but unfortunately in the game today money counts and if the big clubs want them in there is nothing anybody can do about it. The game is run by cretins and will continue that way. It is the Premiership and Sky that destroyed our game and greed and that will continue. Be fair at this present time we are further adrift from the Championship than we have ever been- not in position terms but in relation to money. 3. Break their legs. Have to agree, harsh but true.
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Post by Thatslife on Nov 1, 2017 10:58:49 GMT
Just a follow up question.
In your opinion do you think BRFC, the club, wanted to play that game last night or not. I am not talking about DC but the owners / directors etc
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Nov 1, 2017 11:29:37 GMT
And hats off to the faithful supporters who went No No ? Really ? Well, you can't argue with stupid
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Post by markczgas on Nov 1, 2017 11:47:57 GMT
It was a near-faultless team performance according to Academy Director, Terry Westley, after West Ham United’s under-21s beat Bristol Rovers in the Checkatrade Trophy on Tuesday evening. Despite conceding after just 25 seconds at the Memorial Stadium, West Ham dominated proceedings on a chilly evening in the West-country and fully deserved their 3-1 win. A brace from Toni Martinez – his tenth and eleventh of the season already - either side of a Martin Samuelsen goal secured the points and guaranteed the Hammers’ qualification into the knockout rounds of the competition. To take on League One outfit and win so convincingly was especially pleasing for Westley: “The manner in which we won is extremely satisfying” he said. “We’ve had a hard October, playing Manchester United, Chelsea away, then Manchester City at the weekend and now to finish it off against a League One side, who had a very strong team out today, we took it to them. “After a disastrous start, it just shows the character of this group led by a tremendous captain in Declan Rice and beside him Josh Pask, as centre-halves they really got to grips with what Bristol Rovers threw at us. It was hard at times, having to keep heading balls and clearing it out but when we got it down, we passed them off the pitch. 3-1 could have easily been more than that."
The equaliser came from the penalty spot on 43 minutes after Ben Johnson was brought down inside the box. It was Martinez who stepped forward and confidently drove the ball into the bottom corner to level things up. After the break, West Ham dominated. Pace down the right, left and through the middle from Haksabanovic, Holland and Samuelsen and Martinez respectively put the Pirates’ defence under extreme pressure and it wasn’t long before they cracked: Martin Samuelsen capitalising on some space in the box to fire home from close range. Sometimes you have 'it’s a Martinez show’ or 'it’s a Holland show’, tonight was a really good team performance by everybody. “His second goal was sublime.” Westley exclaimed. “The way he got in between people and he saw the keeper and instantly knew he had to take it in one touch, it was a magnificent finish.” Toni Martinez’s two goals may grab the headlines and Westley was delighted with the Spaniard’s contribution, but was quick to place praise on the whole team effort on this particular night. “Sometimes you have 'it’s a Martinez show’ or 'it’s a Holland show’, tonight was a really good team performance by everybody.” “The challenge for tonight was: ‘you want to go and show you can play in League One or the Championship so you’ve got to show you’re as good if not better than these players’ and we’ll get back on the bus knowing that a lot of our players can play at this level.”The win caps of a fantastic October for the Development Squad, who have faced U23 opposition in Manchester United, Chelsea and Manchester City before the Checkatrade Trophy battle with League One, Bristol Rovers, on Tuesday. From a possible twelve points, they have taken ten – only a draw against Chelsea, away, in between three hugely impressive victories. “Without a doubt [we’d have taken ten points]” the Academy Director explained. “That’s what this group needs, those type of challenges against the very best players. Saturday, we had four under-18s in the starting line-up, today we had three in Ben Johnson, Conor Coventry and Domingos Quina so we’re young, we’re a very young team in this league and we outplayed them tonight.” This is exactly the trouble with this competition. They beat what was effectively our reserves and now he thinks those players are good enough for league one/championship based on that! I don't think so. Do what the likes of Kane/Alli have done etc and come on loan in proper competitive games if you think you are good enough. Also to say it was hard having to head balls out etc is ridicilous. We had probably about as small and lightweight team as we could have had in midfield and going forward lol! Some test! Sour grapes GGMI ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 11:58:54 GMT
Just a follow up question. In your opinion do you think BRFC, the club, wanted to play that game last night or not. I am not talking about DC but the owners / directors etc Based on the fact our owners voted against retaining the format which included U23 teams, I can only assume not.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 1, 2017 12:06:54 GMT
This is exactly the trouble with this competition. They beat what was effectively our reserves and now he thinks those players are good enough for league one/championship based on that! I don't think so. Do what the likes of Kane/Alli have done etc and come on loan in proper competitive games if you think you are good enough. Also to say it was hard having to head balls out etc is ridicilous. We had probably about as small and lightweight team as we could have had in midfield and going forward lol! Some test! Sour grapes GGMI ? Nothing sour about it, the bloke is just talking pure sh**.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 1, 2017 14:04:55 GMT
If that is the case, then how are you going to play your part in preventing it? The most we can do as fans is avoid the games involving these U21 teams, yet you still chose to attend to "support the club"? If this does lead to U21 teams being brought into the lower leagues then surely you would be helping the club more by not attending? What ever i do or say will F##k all influence on what the money grabbing Chairpersons of the EFL decide, so i will do the next best thing and support MY FOOTBALL TEAM. If DC/Chairperson/Owner asks us as supports to not attend then i will refrain from giving the club my hard earned Wonga... But you know they will never ever say that because they are at the end of the day not interested in us the supporters, only the amount of money they can screw out of the Premier league.... Do you HAVE to support your football team in every match regardless of status, opposition, competition or general context of this competition and the overall effect it could have on our club and dozens of other clubs like us? What else would you have had to do last night? Genuine question, I know it's a free country and you're entitled to do what you want, I'm just interested to know your point of view.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 1, 2017 14:07:38 GMT
The only way I see the under 23 teams being taken out of this cup is one of two ways 1. For all the league teams to beat them and beat them well in the early rounds 2 For two u23 to reach the final and the crowd be ridiculously low. As regards them coming into the League, I just cant see them getting enough votes but unfortunately in the game today money counts and if the big clubs want them in there is nothing anybody can do about it. The game is run by cretins and will continue that way. It is the Premiership and Sky that destroyed our game and greed and that will continue. Be fair at this present time we are further adrift from the Championship than we have ever been- not in position terms but in relation to money. 3. Break their legs. just want to point out that we had 4 U21s in our starting line-up last night and 2 more came on as subs.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 1, 2017 14:16:40 GMT
What ever i do or say will F##k all influence on what the money grabbing Chairpersons of the EFL decide, so i will do the next best thing and support MY FOOTBALL TEAM. If DC/Chairperson/Owner asks us as supports to not attend then i will refrain from giving the club my hard earned Wonga... But you know they will never ever say that because they are at the end of the day not interested in us the supporters, only the amount of money they can screw out of the Premier league.... Do you HAVE to support your football team in every match regardless of status, opposition, competition or general context of this competition and the overall effect it could have on our club and dozens of other clubs like us? What else would you have had to do last night? Genuine question, I know it's a free country and you're entitled to do what you want, I'm just interested to know your point of view.Well being a old fart, where the love of my life is working up in London, and dealing with the general public 67 Hours a week, Football is great way to "relax" and meet likewise people in a non combative environment. and it is far better than watching the constant doom & gloom that is National TV or god forbid Watching EastEnders type rubbish
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Post by ineedgas on Nov 1, 2017 14:43:18 GMT
Do you HAVE to support your football team in every match regardless of status, opposition, competition or general context of this competition and the overall effect it could have on our club and dozens of other clubs like us? What else would you have had to do last night? Genuine question, I know it's a free country and you're entitled to do what you want, I'm just interested to know your point of view.Well being a old fart, where the love of my life is working up in London, and dealing with the general public 67 Hours a week, Football is great way to "relax" and meet likewise people in a non combative environment. and it is far better than watching the constant doom & gloom that is National TV or god forbid Watching EastEnders type rubbish Being a old fart and letting the love of your life work 67 hours a week in London you can't be that old
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 1, 2017 15:02:19 GMT
Well being a old fart, where the love of my life is working up in London, and dealing with the general public 67 Hours a week, Football is great way to "relax" and meet likewise people in a non combative environment. and it is far better than watching the constant doom & gloom that is National TV or god forbid Watching EastEnders type rubbish Being a old fart and letting the love of your life work 67 hours a week in London you can't be that old Its me that works 67 hours a week not her ! Worded not quite right maybe LOL
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