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Post by warehamgas on Dec 30, 2017 21:36:05 GMT
Good point. A few great saves from Smith. Last two results have been good and a base for an improved away form.
UTG!
ps. Bad luck socrates, you start a decent post on match day and see it taken over by posters with a personal agenda.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 30, 2017 21:37:25 GMT
Looks a soft penalty from that view Yes, that’s what I thought. From that view it looked as if the Oldham player ran into ours. Let’s hope we get a soft one soon! UTG! |
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Post by swissgas on Dec 30, 2017 21:47:25 GMT
thats been the excuse every January So you think that we can compete with Blackburn, Charlton and Bradford? That we can break our salary cap? It is not an excuse, it is a fact. We have to live within our means. This does not mean we cannot prosper, look at Scunthorpe and Shrewsbury if you want to see an example of clubs that do not have massive budgets yet have playing squads that compete near the top of this league. Fair play to DC for speaking the truth and not filling us with false hope. I agree with what you say about DC but he knows, and we should know by now, that the salary cap is self imposed. Scunthorpe lost £3.7 million in 2016 but their owner covered it and because he put the cash in as share capital a proportion of that was able to be used towards their playing budget. Their total staff and wages bill was £5.4 million compared to Rovers £3.6 million. Shrewsbury made a profit of £1.2 million in 2016 due to player sales and a cup run. They have no loans outstanding to their owners or anyone else but in February this year an extra £400K cash was raised through a share issue and again most of this could go to the playing budget. Their total staff and wages bill was £3.7 million compared to Rovers £3.6 million If DC appears downbeat I think it's because he knows how other clubs are managed and financed and you can see where he is coming from. |
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Post by long john silver on Dec 30, 2017 21:52:35 GMT
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Post by DTGas on Dec 30, 2017 21:59:12 GMT
Just watched highlights, credit to Smith, those two saves were great reactions although in the mix of it all it looked like Oldham were denied a blatant second pen.
I didnt get to travel today but after watching that and seeing the stats I’m more than happy that we’ve returned with a point.
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Post by axegas on Dec 30, 2017 22:23:27 GMT
So you think that we can compete with Blackburn, Charlton and Bradford? That we can break our salary cap? It is not an excuse, it is a fact. We have to live within our means. This does not mean we cannot prosper, look at Scunthorpe and Shrewsbury if you want to see an example of clubs that do not have massive budgets yet have playing squads that compete near the top of this league. Fair play to DC for speaking the truth and not filling us with false hope. I agree with what you say about DC but he knows, and we should know by now, that the salary cap is self imposed. Scunthorpe lost £3.7 million in 2016 but their owner covered it and because he put the cash in as share capital a proportion of that was able to be used towards their playing budget. Their total staff and wages bill was £5.4 million compared to Rovers £3.6 million. Shrewsbury made a profit of £1.2 million in 2016 due to player sales and a cup run. They have no loans outstanding to their owners or anyone else but in February this year an extra £400K cash was raised through a share issue and again most of this could go to the playing budget. Their total staff and wages bill was £3.7 million compared to Rovers £3.6 million If DC appears downbeat I think it's because he knows how other clubs are managed and financed and you can see where he is coming from. I agree with you fully swissgas. DC has every right to feel frustrated and downbeat due to the present situation and I can only assume than he is more than disgruntled at the clubs mismanagement off the pitch. Out of interest, where did you get the 3.6 million figure from? It seems fairly high for a club that only has a turnover of 4.7 million as of June 2016. The cap is not self imposed, all clubs in League one and two are required to follow the Salary Cap Management Protocol which requires Rovers to a maximum of 60% of their turnover on their wages. Assuming the clubs total wage budget is equal to 3.6 million and Rovers turnover is 4.7 million then 76.5% is spent on wages which is not a believable percentage at all as it would result in a transfer ban being imposed onto the club. I understand that our turnover has probably risen but even so you can see why DC has to operate to a tight budget. Improving revenue streams from better infrastructure and the increased gates this would bring with it is the only way this would change unless the Al qadi's want to replicate Fleetwood and put £M's into the club through sponsorship deals. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 30, 2017 22:24:26 GMT
So you think that we can compete with Blackburn, Charlton and Bradford? That we can break our salary cap? It is not an excuse, it is a fact. We have to live within our means. This does not mean we cannot prosper, look at Scunthorpe and Shrewsbury if you want to see an example of clubs that do not have massive budgets yet have playing squads that compete near the top of this league. Fair play to DC for speaking the truth and not filling us with false hope. I agree with what you say about DC but he knows, and we should know by now, that the salary cap is self imposed. Scunthorpe lost £3.7 million in 2016 but their owner covered it and because he put the cash in as share capital a proportion of that was able to be used towards their playing budget. Their total staff and wages bill was £5.4 million compared to Rovers £3.6 million. Shrewsbury made a profit of £1.2 million in 2016 due to player sales and a cup run. They have no loans outstanding to their owners or anyone else but in February this year an extra £400K cash was raised through a share issue and again most of this could go to the playing budget. Their total staff and wages bill was £3.7 million compared to Rovers £3.6 million If DC appears downbeat I think it's because he knows how other clubs are managed and financed and you can see where he is coming from. If DC is not happy with his budget compared to other clubs in this division then he knows what he can do......... |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 30, 2017 22:30:33 GMT
Just watched highlights, credit to Smith, those two saves were great reactions although in the mix of it all it looked like Oldham were denied a blatant second pen. I didnt get to travel today but after watching that and seeing the stats I’m more than happy that we’ve returned with a point. The first wasn't a penalty to me but like you say that 2nd one should have been! Smith seems to have found some form in goal, let's hope he can keep it up! 1! 1 |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 30, 2017 22:33:09 GMT
Just watched highlights, credit to Smith, those two saves were great reactions although in the mix of it all it looked like Oldham were denied a blatant second pen. I didnt get to travel today but after watching that and seeing the stats I’m more than happy that we’ve returned with a point. The first wasn't a penalty to me but like you say that 2nd one should have been! Smith seems to have found some form in goal, let's hope he can keep it up! 1! 1 He will need to with out sh*t defence |
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Post by swissgas on Dec 30, 2017 22:47:37 GMT
I agree with what you say about DC but he knows, and we should know by now, that the salary cap is self imposed. Scunthorpe lost £3.7 million in 2016 but their owner covered it and because he put the cash in as share capital a proportion of that was able to be used towards their playing budget. Their total staff and wages bill was £5.4 million compared to Rovers £3.6 million. Shrewsbury made a profit of £1.2 million in 2016 due to player sales and a cup run. They have no loans outstanding to their owners or anyone else but in February this year an extra £400K cash was raised through a share issue and again most of this could go to the playing budget. Their total staff and wages bill was £3.7 million compared to Rovers £3.6 million If DC appears downbeat I think it's because he knows how other clubs are managed and financed and you can see where he is coming from. I agree with you fully swissgas. DC has every right to feel frustrated and downbeat due to the present situation and I can only assume than he is more than disgruntled at the clubs mismanagement off the pitch. Out of interest, where did you get the 3.6 million figure from? It seems fairly high for a club that only has a turnover of 4.7 million as of June 2016. The cap is not self imposed, all clubs in League one and two are required to follow the Salary Cap Management Protocol which requires Rovers to a maximum of 60% of their turnover on their wages. Assuming the clubs total wage budget is equal to 3.6 million and Rovers turnover is 4.7 million then 76.5% is spent on wages which is not a believable percentage at all as it would result in a transfer ban being imposed onto the club. I understand that our turnover has probably risen but even so you can see why DC has to operate to a tight budget. Improving revenue streams from better infrastructure and the increased gates this would bring with it is the only way this would change unless the Al qadi's want to replicate Fleetwood and put £M's into the club through sponsorship deals. In the three cases quoted the staff and wage costs are the total costs not just those relating to the playing side so it's likely that the portion relating to the playing budget is below £2.8 million (60% of £4.7 million). But I think the comparisons are fair and in his annual report the chairman of Scunthorpe specifically said he purchased an additional £3.78 million share capital for "strengthening our squad to work towards fulfilling our aim of achieving Championship football" . Cash put in as as share capital (equity), or by donation, counts towards turnover for the purposes of SCMP but loans do not. If Dwane Sports have a policy of loaning cash, which puts Rovers at a disadvantage compared to other clubs where owners put money in as share capital, then I think it's better to get this fact out into the open. In his last interview Wael brought up FFP (he should have said SCMP) and implied this was the limiting factor for our playing budget when in fact the limiting factor is the way in which Dwane Sports have chosen to put cash into Rovers. |
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Post by kylegas on Dec 30, 2017 23:09:33 GMT
Soft yes, but it’s a pen that refs give 99 times out of 100, didn’t need to stick his foot in there, poor decision making |
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Post by axegas on Dec 30, 2017 23:18:48 GMT
I agree with you fully swissgas. DC has every right to feel frustrated and downbeat due to the present situation and I can only assume than he is more than disgruntled at the clubs mismanagement off the pitch. Out of interest, where did you get the 3.6 million figure from? It seems fairly high for a club that only has a turnover of 4.7 million as of June 2016. The cap is not self imposed, all clubs in League one and two are required to follow the Salary Cap Management Protocol which requires Rovers to a maximum of 60% of their turnover on their wages. Assuming the clubs total wage budget is equal to 3.6 million and Rovers turnover is 4.7 million then 76.5% is spent on wages which is not a believable percentage at all as it would result in a transfer ban being imposed onto the club. I understand that our turnover has probably risen but even so you can see why DC has to operate to a tight budget. Improving revenue streams from better infrastructure and the increased gates this would bring with it is the only way this would change unless the Al qadi's want to replicate Fleetwood and put £M's into the club through sponsorship deals. In the three cases quoted the staff and wage costs are the total costs not just those relating to the playing side so it's likely that the portion relating to the playing budget is below £2.8 million (60% of £4.7 million). But I think the comparisons are fair and in his annual report the chairman of Scunthorpe specifically said he purchased an additional £3.78 million share capital for "strengthening our squad to work towards fulfilling our aim of achieving Championship football" . Cash put in as as share capital (equity), or by donation, counts towards turnover for the purposes of SCMP but loans do not. If Dwane Sports have a policy of loaning cash, which puts Rovers at a disadvantage compared to other clubs where owners put money in as share capital, then I think it's better to get this fact out into the open. In his last interview Wael brought up FFP (he should have said SCMP) and implied this was the limiting factor for our playing budget when in fact the limiting factor is the way in which Dwane Sports have chosen to put cash into Rovers. You can't blame the Al Qadi's for not putting in the money to improve our salary cap, they didn't become wealthy by giving wealth away, they are businessmen and won't do something that offers them no short term financial gain and dubious long term gain. The whole "evolution not revolution" tag was really a way of explaining this. As Trew at Notts County showed, this approach is not always the best.
As long as they show some intent and lay the foundations for organic growth for the club by ensuring that the colony and Stadium redevelopment commence, I am happy with this. If not, little progress will ever be made and you would have to question why they are here. I just hope our owners are not out of their depth and remain sufficiently committed to the club's long term future.
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Post by markczgas on Dec 30, 2017 23:36:54 GMT
Watching the highlights - Bodin's ability shines through.
His control and reverse pass for Ellis' chance were sublime and then his goal - superb control and lovely finish !
I have to say that DC and MS have really brought out the skill and finishing in Matty T and Billy - a shame we couldn't keep them both together to get us to the promised land.
If Billy's last games are coming up - I'll be cherishing them. Hope he has a big game v Pompey on Monday. UTG !
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Post by swissgas on Dec 30, 2017 23:53:48 GMT
In the three cases quoted the staff and wage costs are the total costs not just those relating to the playing side so it's likely that the portion relating to the playing budget is below £2.8 million (60% of £4.7 million). But I think the comparisons are fair and in his annual report the chairman of Scunthorpe specifically said he purchased an additional £3.78 million share capital for "strengthening our squad to work towards fulfilling our aim of achieving Championship football" . Cash put in as as share capital (equity), or by donation, counts towards turnover for the purposes of SCMP but loans do not. If Dwane Sports have a policy of loaning cash, which puts Rovers at a disadvantage compared to other clubs where owners put money in as share capital, then I think it's better to get this fact out into the open. In his last interview Wael brought up FFP (he should have said SCMP) and implied this was the limiting factor for our playing budget when in fact the limiting factor is the way in which Dwane Sports have chosen to put cash into Rovers. You can't blame the Al Qadi's for not putting in the money to improve our salary cap, they didn't become wealthy by giving wealth away, they are businessmen and won't do something that offers them no short term financial gain and dubious long term gain. The whole "evolution not revolution" tag was really a way of explaining this. As Trew at Notts County showed, this approach is not always the best.
As long as they show some intent and lay the foundations for organic growth for the club by ensuring that the colony and Stadium redevelopment commence, I am happy with this. If not, little progress will ever be made and you would have to question why they are here. I just hope our owners are not out of their depth and remain sufficiently committed to the club's long term future.
I echo your second paragraph although from my perspective, at this time, cash would be better spent on the squad than on the training ground. . I also know the majority of fans find financial talk boring and quickly jump to the conclusion that anyone bringing these matters up must somehow be "anti owners". But at the same time I'm sure all Gasheads want an explanation as to why DC isn't full of the joys of Spring and why clubs with a much smaller fan base than Rovers can outspend us in the transfer market. |
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Post by northend on Dec 30, 2017 23:57:08 GMT
Alex Neil and Peter Ridsdale were there today watching Bodin.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 1:17:51 GMT
Don't want to be over-critical on Smith but he pushed it directly back to Davies. Defenders no chance.
I know Smith isn't popular with a lot of fans but massively unfair to put any blame on him there. It was a great save by smith,anyone whose stood in a goalmouth and had an adult who can kick a football take a penalty against them will know how hard it is to save a spot kick. |
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Post by pirate on Dec 31, 2017 1:20:39 GMT
Alex Neil and Peter Ridsdale were there today watching Bodin. £££ and Pringle then please. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 1:26:14 GMT
McBurnie was certainly an odd one - he set up Swansea's winning goal today That was strange wasnt it? Except we had taylor and gaffney banging in goals for fun and harrison making some good cameos as a sub while we surged to promotion. Mcburnie did play a small but important part in that. I hate the thought of us just playing every loan signing no matter what. |
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Post by axegas on Dec 31, 2017 1:30:24 GMT
Alex Neil and Peter Ridsdale were there today watching Bodin. £££ and Pringle then please. Or Doyle |
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Post by pirate on Dec 31, 2017 1:41:21 GMT
£££ and Pringle then please. Or Doyle There is talk that his 'illness' that kept him out of the Oldham team today is actually a blood clot and he could be "out for months rather than weeks" according to the Manchester Evening News. |
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