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Post by Topper Gas on May 4, 2018 11:37:08 GMT
Not sure we ever saw a list of players in and out of contract this summer, hence that's why some fans are surprised that the likes of JC & Gaffers are all staying, although DC's as much as said all probably all 16 won't be here next season. I'm not really sure how the likes of Gaffers & JC blagged either new 2 yr contracts last summer or contract extensions recently. Could be a situation like what Oxford did with Sercombe last year and we've extended their contracts even though they'r going to leave. I thought Serc's triggered his contract extension, but he was probably in demand not sure why of our players are actually in demand more like we have to pay somebody to take them!
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Post by peterparker on May 4, 2018 11:41:00 GMT
I'm sure we would let some players go if someone came in for them.
I mean imagine if we paid some players off to go and didn't replace them, or replaced them with no better. People on here would moan.
I mean people are moaning players have Dam contracts, after moaning we weren't extending them and losing players
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Post by northoftheriver on May 4, 2018 11:44:42 GMT
Gaffney, James Clarke and Tom Nichols are not good enough for a top 6 league 1 push IMO But they're good enough to be part of a squad that can push top 6. We just need to bring in good players to push them down the pecking order and then it is left with them to push back. How a squad works??
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on May 4, 2018 11:45:57 GMT
Could be a situation like what Oxford did with Sercombe last year and we've extended their contracts even though they'r going to leave. I thought Serc's triggered his contract extension, but he was probably in demand not sure why of our players are actually in demand more like we have to pay somebody to take them! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39658646Oxford United are to trigger an extension clause in midfielder Liam Sercombe's contract - even though he may never play for the club again.
Despite boss Michael Appleton saying the situation has not changed, he wants to ensure the club receive a fee.
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Post by pirate on May 4, 2018 11:51:14 GMT
Gaffney, James Clarke and Tom Nichols are not good enough for a top 6 league 1 push IMO But they're good enough to be part of a squad that can push top 6. We just need to bring in good players to push them down the pecking order and then it is left with them to push back. How a squad works?? I think if we received the right offer they'd all be gone, especially Gaffney and Clarke. DC might feel Nichols is worth persisting with for another 6 months or so.
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Post by northoftheriver on May 4, 2018 11:55:55 GMT
But they're good enough to be part of a squad that can push top 6. We just need to bring in good players to push them down the pecking order and then it is left with them to push back. How a squad works?? I think if we received the right offer they'd all be gone, especially Gaffney and Clarke. DC might feel Nichols is worth persisting with for another 6 months or so. Agree just hope we are smart enough now as a club not to get rid unless have replacements signed in advance.
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Post by kylegas on May 4, 2018 17:18:19 GMT
Is Gaffney not out of contract then? Or has e been offered one? I hoped we’d seen the last of him Why is your wife a bit sore? I know mine is! Nah he was never the love of my life so I never let him do it... tho he may have pulled a John Terry and did it behind my back!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 4, 2018 19:50:25 GMT
Is Gaffney not out of contract then? Or has e been offered one? I hoped we’d seen the last of him He must have 12 months left on his current deal, we should look for a fee even if it isn't 6 figures. Alternatively I'd keep him as a squad player, judging purely on stats vs Nichols I don't think anyone can justify keeping Nichols over Gaffney if we had the option to offload both. If we want to push top 6 we need to be looking to offload both. If my maths is correct.... combine Nichols and Gaffney's total minutes on the pitch this season it comes to around 48 full games, returning 9 goals (1 goal every 5.3 games). Compare that to Ellis who has played minutes equivalent to 41 games returning 14 goals. Give or take, practically twice as good a return (1 goal every 2.9 games). I'm worried a bigger fish will come in for Ellis - had that ratio of goals to games been any closer to a goal every 2 games I'd be almost certain we'd lose him. Pretty sure Ellis would have bagged a lot more if he had had a strike partner at any point this season.
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Post by gregsy on May 4, 2018 20:03:01 GMT
He must have 12 months left on his current deal, we should look for a fee even if it isn't 6 figures. Alternatively I'd keep him as a squad player, judging purely on stats vs Nichols I don't think anyone can justify keeping Nichols over Gaffney if we had the option to offload both. If we want to push top 6 we need to be looking to offload both. If my maths is correct.... combine Nichols and Gaffney's total minutes on the pitch this season it comes to around 48 full games, returning 9 goals (1 goal every 5.3 games). Compare that to Ellis who has played minutes equivalent to 41 games returning 14 goals. Give or take, practically twice as good a return (1 goal every 2.9 games). I'm worried a bigger fish will come in for Ellis - had that ratio of goals to games been any closer to a goal every 2 games I'd be almost certain we'd lose him. Pretty sure Ellis would have bagged a lot more if he had had a strike partner at any point this season. Interesting observation mate, but it's difficult to work out given that Ellis has been given multiple roles.... He can play lone, target man, wide, which is what makes him the great player he is. When people think utility they generally think about defenders but Ellis can do so much up top and he's a bloody great defender as well....
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Post by lpgas on May 5, 2018 17:12:16 GMT
7 lost, possibly 8 if leadbitter doesn't sign. Are we going to sign 7/8 players to replace them? Ontop of that we surely still need another striker as an addition. Interesting to see what happens, strange to publish a retained list with a game left to play even if it is irrelevant, isn't it? I would have let him go, he has had some serious injuries of late, and really the same applies to Sinclair, who has missed the second half of the season for the last 4 seaons
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Post by Topper Gas on May 5, 2018 17:22:47 GMT
7 lost, possibly 8 if leadbitter doesn't sign. Are we going to sign 7/8 players to replace them? Ontop of that we surely still need another striker as an addition. Interesting to see what happens, strange to publish a retained list with a game left to play even if it is irrelevant, isn't it? I would have let him go, he has had some serious injuries of late, and really the same applies to Sinclair, who has missed the second half of the season for the last 4 seaons Only 3 out of the last 4?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 17:25:23 GMT
7 lost, possibly 8 if leadbitter doesn't sign. Are we going to sign 7/8 players to replace them? Ontop of that we surely still need another striker as an addition. Interesting to see what happens, strange to publish a retained list with a game left to play even if it is irrelevant, isn't it? I would have let him go, he has had some serious injuries of late, and really the same applies to Sinclair, who has missed the second half of the season for the last 4 seaons Not strictly true though is it. Sincs has missed the last 6 or 7 games, hardly the second half of the season. Why are some so obsessed with the fact he missed the end of the Conference and League Two seasons. Both absences were due to nasty injuries that anyone can get. He's hardly the sort to keep picking up niggling injuries every few games, so I would suggest his body is perfectly strong enough for the rigours of league football. Stuart Sinclair is a much better player than some give him credit for and I would imagine if he was released he'd be snapped up immediately. UTG
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Post by South Stand Ultra on May 5, 2018 17:27:37 GMT
I would have let him go, he has had some serious injuries of late, and really the same applies to Sinclair, who has missed the second half of the season for the last 4 seaons Not strictly true though is it. Sincs has missed the last 6 or 7 games, hardly the second half of the season. Why are some so obsessed with the fact he missed the end of the Conference and League Two seasons. Both absences were due to nasty injuries that anyone can get. He's hardly the sort to keep picking up niggling injuries every few games, so I would suggest his body is perfectly strong enough for the rigours of league football. Stuart Sinclair is a much better player than some give him credit for and I would imagine if he was released he'd be snapped up immediately. UTG Would he be snapped up by a league 1 club?
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Post by lpgas on May 5, 2018 17:28:50 GMT
I would have let Ollie Clark go too
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 17:44:58 GMT
Not strictly true though is it. Sincs has missed the last 6 or 7 games, hardly the second half of the season. Why are some so obsessed with the fact he missed the end of the Conference and League Two seasons. Both absences were due to nasty injuries that anyone can get. He's hardly the sort to keep picking up niggling injuries every few games, so I would suggest his body is perfectly strong enough for the rigours of league football. Stuart Sinclair is a much better player than some give him credit for and I would imagine if he was released he'd be snapped up immediately. UTG Would he be snapped up by a league 1 club? I see no reason why not. He's been selected much more often than not whilst at a League 1 club over the last two years, suggesting he's good enough. DC has said he's after a midfielder this summer. I think we'd probably be happy enough to sign one with two years first team experience in League 1.
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Post by completewingback on May 5, 2018 18:26:51 GMT
I can only stare as I see people not remembering the mistakes of the past and calling for more than half our squad to be laid off, probably hoping to be replaced by overpaid journeymen, with little to no ambition, but 6000 clubs in their curriculum so it's ok
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Post by South Stand Ultra on May 5, 2018 18:33:04 GMT
I can only stare as I see people not remembering the mistakes of the past and calling for more than half our squad to be laid off, probably hoping to be replaced by overpaid journeymen, with little to no ambition, but 6000 clubs in their curriculum so it's ok Which posters want over half our squad laid off?
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Post by blueridge on May 5, 2018 22:27:03 GMT
I can only stare as I see people not remembering the mistakes of the past and calling for more than half our squad to be laid off, probably hoping to be replaced by overpaid journeymen, with little to no ambition, but 6000 clubs in their curriculum so it's ok Which posters want over half our squad laid off? Of the seven players including loanees who have already gone I could add IMO another four who are struggling at this level - Gaffney, Nicholls, Mensah & O Clarke. Others may add one or two others. That's virtually half the squad. We certainly don't need any more peripheral players signed in the close season - they have to be players capable of going straight into the first team and staying there.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 6, 2018 2:32:48 GMT
Which posters want over half our squad laid off? Of the seven players including loanees who have already gone I could add IMO another four who are struggling at this level - Gaffney, Nicholls, Mensah & O Clarke. Others may add one or two others. That's virtually half the squad. We certainly don't need any more peripheral players signed in the close season - they have to be players capable of going straight into the first team and staying there. How anybody could judge Mensah after a couple of months of bit parts is beyond me Give him a full season to get up to speed then judge him How long did we give Ellis to come good ? Mensah today looked a very good player and gave us something on the right wing today we have not had...... he can head a ball, something neither BBB or Moore could do
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Post by South Stand Ultra on May 6, 2018 9:28:57 GMT
Which posters want over half our squad laid off? Of the seven players including loanees who have already gone I could add IMO another four who are struggling at this level - Gaffney, Nicholls, Mensah & O Clarke. Others may add one or two others. That's virtually half the squad. We certainly don't need any more peripheral players signed in the close season - they have to be players capable of going straight into the first team and staying there. So no posters want half the squad gone? Just 1 or 2 each? I suspect the same could be said of nearly every football club in the world.
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