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Post by blueridge on May 6, 2018 9:49:42 GMT
Of the seven players including loanees who have already gone I could add IMO another four who are struggling at this level - Gaffney, Nicholls, Mensah & O Clarke. Others may add one or two others. That's virtually half the squad. We certainly don't need any more peripheral players signed in the close season - they have to be players capable of going straight into the first team and staying there. How anybody could judge Mensah after a couple of months of bit parts is beyond me Give him a full season to get up to speed then judge him How long did we give Ellis to come good ? Mensah today looked a very good player and gave us something on the right wing today we have not had...... he can head a ball, something neither BBB or Moore could do I don't feel we are in a position now if we 'buy' players we can afford to allow them "to get up to speed". You mention Ellis - if we afforded the same luxury to BM he'd be 27 before he was good enough. The point I'm making is IMO we can no longer afford the luxury of bit part bench warmers - they have to be ready to walk straight into the 1st team - particularly if we are paying money for them. The chances of finding someone good enough in the conference who is able to step into a 1st division team is now IMO remote - Ricky Miller being a prime example - Sercombe, Slocombe, Bennett and Craig are the type of 'seasoned' pros we now need. Finding them and getting them in is now the challenge - hence I would suggest the appointment of the new Head of Recruitment. To even consolidate a position in this league let alone challenge for a top six position will need an injection of least four 'seasoned' 1st team regulars.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 11:21:51 GMT
How anybody could judge Mensah after a couple of months of bit parts is beyond me Give him a full season to get up to speed then judge him How long did we give Ellis to come good ? Mensah today looked a very good player and gave us something on the right wing today we have not had...... he can head a ball, something neither BBB or Moore could do I don't feel we are in a position now if we 'buy' players we can afford to allow them "to get up to speed". You mention Ellis - if we afforded the same luxury to BM he'd be 27 before he was good enough. The point I'm making is IMO we can no longer afford the luxury of bit part bench warmers - they have to be ready to walk straight into the 1st team - particularly if we are paying money for them. The chances of finding someone good enough in the conference who is able to step into a 1st division team is now IMO remote - Ricky Miller being a prime example - Sercombe, Slocombe, Bennett and Craig are the type of 'seasoned' pros we now need. Finding them and getting them in is now the challenge - hence I would suggest the appointment of the new Head of Recruitment. To even consolidate a position in this league let alone challenge for a top six position will need an injection of least four 'seasoned' 1st team regulars. Damn,that means no more broadbent,bodin,,menayese,partington type signings,seems a shame to me.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 6, 2018 12:26:07 GMT
How anybody could judge Mensah after a couple of months of bit parts is beyond me Give him a full season to get up to speed then judge him How long did we give Ellis to come good ? Mensah today looked a very good player and gave us something on the right wing today we have not had...... he can head a ball, something neither BBB or Moore could do I don't feel we are in a position now if we 'buy' players we can afford to allow them "to get up to speed". You mention Ellis - if we afforded the same luxury to BM he'd be 27 before he was good enough. The point I'm making is IMO we can no longer afford the luxury of bit part bench warmers - they have to be ready to walk straight into the 1st team - particularly if we are paying money for them. The chances of finding someone good enough in the conference who is able to step into a 1st division team is now IMO remote - Ricky Miller being a prime example - Sercombe, Slocombe, Bennett and Craig are the type of 'seasoned' pros we now need. Finding them and getting them in is now the challenge - hence I would suggest the appointment of the new Head of Recruitment. To even consolidate a position in this league let alone challenge for a top six position will need an injection of least four 'seasoned' 1st team regulars. So using your criteria, the likes of Lambert would be bombed out after 3 months.........
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Post by South Stand Ultra on May 6, 2018 12:33:17 GMT
I don't feel we are in a position now if we 'buy' players we can afford to allow them "to get up to speed". You mention Ellis - if we afforded the same luxury to BM he'd be 27 before he was good enough. The point I'm making is IMO we can no longer afford the luxury of bit part bench warmers - they have to be ready to walk straight into the 1st team - particularly if we are paying money for them. The chances of finding someone good enough in the conference who is able to step into a 1st division team is now IMO remote - Ricky Miller being a prime example - Sercombe, Slocombe, Bennett and Craig are the type of 'seasoned' pros we now need. Finding them and getting them in is now the challenge - hence I would suggest the appointment of the new Head of Recruitment. To even consolidate a position in this league let alone challenge for a top six position will need an injection of least four 'seasoned' 1st team regulars. So using your criteria, the likes of Lambert would be bombed out after 3 months......... Dont forget Roberts poor start...
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Post by blueridge on May 6, 2018 14:52:35 GMT
I don't feel we are in a position now if we 'buy' players we can afford to allow them "to get up to speed". You mention Ellis - if we afforded the same luxury to BM he'd be 27 before he was good enough. The point I'm making is IMO we can no longer afford the luxury of bit part bench warmers - they have to be ready to walk straight into the 1st team - particularly if we are paying money for them. The chances of finding someone good enough in the conference who is able to step into a 1st division team is now IMO remote - Ricky Miller being a prime example - Sercombe, Slocombe, Bennett and Craig are the type of 'seasoned' pros we now need. Finding them and getting them in is now the challenge - hence I would suggest the appointment of the new Head of Recruitment. To even consolidate a position in this league let alone challenge for a top six position will need an injection of least four 'seasoned' 1st team regulars. So using your criteria, the likes of Lambert would be bombed out after 3 months......... You can read into my posting whatever way you like - so using your criteria we should be giving Tom Nicholls another couple of years.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 6, 2018 14:54:39 GMT
So using your criteria, the likes of Lambert would be bombed out after 3 months......... You can read into my posting whatever way you like - so using your criteria we should be giving Tom Nicholls another couple of years. Yes because he will score goals for us next season
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Post by blueridge on May 6, 2018 15:00:52 GMT
I don't feel we are in a position now if we 'buy' players we can afford to allow them "to get up to speed". You mention Ellis - if we afforded the same luxury to BM he'd be 27 before he was good enough. The point I'm making is IMO we can no longer afford the luxury of bit part bench warmers - they have to be ready to walk straight into the 1st team - particularly if we are paying money for them. The chances of finding someone good enough in the conference who is able to step into a 1st division team is now IMO remote - Ricky Miller being a prime example - Sercombe, Slocombe, Bennett and Craig are the type of 'seasoned' pros we now need. Finding them and getting them in is now the challenge - hence I would suggest the appointment of the new Head of Recruitment. To even consolidate a position in this league let alone challenge for a top six position will need an injection of least four 'seasoned' 1st team regulars. Damn,that means no more broadbent,bodin,,menayese,partington type signings,seems a shame to me. With the greatest of respect if you think three of those players are the level of experience we require now and the type of players we need to sign to stay in this division heaven help us. Bodin btw was recommended to the club by Ellis - he wasn't 'scouted'. He was brought in on a very short term deal to 'prove himself first.
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Post by blueridge on May 6, 2018 15:06:52 GMT
So using your criteria, the likes of Lambert would be bombed out after 3 months......... Dont forget Roberts poor start... I assume you me mean Jason not Phil. Easy to forget as it was 20 years ago - the game has moved on a lot since then.
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Post by blueridge on May 6, 2018 15:08:15 GMT
You can read into my posting whatever way you like - so using your criteria we should be giving Tom Nicholls another couple of years. Yes because he will score goals for us next season Anything over 2 will count as goals!!!
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Post by mariobalotelli on May 6, 2018 15:09:45 GMT
Damn,that means no more broadbent,bodin,,menayese,partington type signings,seems a shame to me. With the greatest of respect if you think three of those players are the level of experience we require now and t he type of players we need to sign to stay in this division heaven help us. Bodin btw was recommended to the club by Ellis - he wasn't 'scouted'. He was brought in on a very short term deal to 'prove himself first. ? These players are more than good enough to help us "stay" in this division. Partington has been a very good signing, not an attacking full back as much but solid and very good defensively. Broadbent, whilst raw has proven to be another good signing with a lot of room for improvement still. If he cuts the mistakes from his game then he'll be playing for a bigger and better club. Menayese is young and looked solid in his bit part for us, and even secured a loan to a league club, which most our younger players do not. If you had said "are these the types of players to help us push for promotion" then you may have had a point.
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Post by blueridge on May 6, 2018 15:13:14 GMT
With the greatest of respect if you think three of those players are the level of experience we require now and t he type of players we need to sign to stay in this division heaven help us. Bodin btw was recommended to the club by Ellis - he wasn't 'scouted'. He was brought in on a very short term deal to 'prove himself first. ? These players are more than good enough to help us "stay" in this division. Partington has been a very good signing, not an attacking full back as much but solid and very good defensively. Broadbent, whilst raw has proven to be another good signing with a lot of room for improvement still. If he cuts the mistakes from his game then he'll be playing for a bigger and better club. Menayese is young and looked solid in his bit part for us, and even secured a loan to a league club, which most our younger players do not. If you had said "are these the types of players to help us push for promotion" then you may have had a point. My original posting which kicked this off mentioned - a top six finish which I think is DC's aspiration.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 23:40:15 GMT
Damn,that means no more broadbent,bodin,,menayese,partington type signings,seems a shame to me. With the greatest of respect if you think three of those players are the level of experience we require now and the type of players we need to sign to stay in this division heaven help us. Bodin btw was recommended to the club by Ellis - he wasn't 'scouted'. He was brought in on a very short term deal to 'prove himself first. Seems sensible to me to keep all your options on signings open. You get failures with experienced players and prospects. There is no evidence were suddenly going to spend big on players or wages so the manager needs to look for players who can improve in shortish time to a degree. Right now who knows how good menayese,broadbent and mensah will be next season?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 7, 2018 7:42:31 GMT
The point the OP was trying to make is that we can't wait 6 months plus for a new DCM & RW etc to get up to speed, but like Criag, Bennett and Sercs they need to hit the ground running if we're aiming for a top 6 finish. Although there's no reason like last summer with Boardbent why we can't bring a non league player or players in for the longer term.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 7, 2018 7:49:34 GMT
The point the OP was trying to make is that we can't wait 6 months plus for a new DCM & RW etc to get up to speed, but like Criag, Bennett and Sercs they need to hit the ground running if we're aiming for a top 6 finish. Although there's no reason like last summer with Boardbent why we can't bring a non league player or players in for the longer term. Why would we want a non league player? They can't be any good surely! Topper, you contradict yourself so often!
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Post by Topper Gas on May 7, 2018 9:42:55 GMT
The point the OP was trying to make is that we can't wait 6 months plus for a new DCM & RW etc to get up to speed, but like Criag, Bennett and Sercs they need to hit the ground running if we're aiming for a top 6 finish. Although there's no reason like last summer with Boardbent why we can't bring a non league player or players in for the longer term. Why would we want a non league player? They can't be any good surely! Topper, you contradict yourself so often! When have i ever said non league players are generally no good, I've spent since January moaning on here about Craig taking Broadbent's place!! Plus Leads when fit would always be my first choice RB. plus we wouldn't be where we are now w/o the likes of Taylor, Sincs & JC. Not sure Mensah was worth the money but lets see how he performs after a full pre-season.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 7, 2018 10:28:23 GMT
Why would we want a non league player? They can't be any good surely! Topper, you contradict yourself so often! When have i ever said non league players are generally no good, I've spent since January moaning on here about Craig taking Broadbent's place!! Plus Leads when fit would always be my first choice RB. plus we wouldn't be where we are now w/o the likes of Taylor, Sincs & JC. Not sure Mensah was worth the money but lets see how he performs after a full pre-season. Topper Gas Gas ********** Topper Gas Avatar Posts: 12,022Male Posting Level May 5, 2018 at 9:21pm mattgashead likes this QuotelikedislikePost Options Post by Topper Gas on May 5, 2018 at 9:21pm If we're aiming for a Div 1 top 6 spot then why would we sign a winger considered not good enough for a Div 1 bottom 4 side, I'm I missing something?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 7, 2018 12:12:49 GMT
When have i ever said non league players are generally no good, I've spent since January moaning on here about Craig taking Broadbent's place!! Plus Leads when fit would always be my first choice RB. plus we wouldn't be where we are now w/o the likes of Taylor, Sincs & JC. Not sure Mensah was worth the money but lets see how he performs after a full pre-season. Topper Gas Gas ********** Topper Gas Avatar Posts: 12,022Male Posting Level May 5, 2018 at 9:21pm mattgashead likes this QuotelikedislikePost Options Post by Topper Gas on May 5, 2018 at 9:21pm If we're aiming for a Div 1 top 6 spot then why would we sign a winger considered not good enough for a Div 1 bottom 4 side, I'm I missing something? Since when his Div 2 non league? Plus if we sign any non league players then I hope they are still wanted by their present clubs, not just been shown the door by them.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 7, 2018 12:25:44 GMT
Topper Gas Gas ********** Topper Gas Avatar Posts: 12,022Male Posting Level May 5, 2018 at 9:21pm mattgashead likes this QuotelikedislikePost Options Post by Topper Gas on May 5, 2018 at 9:21pm If we're aiming for a Div 1 top 6 spot then why would we sign a winger considered not good enough for a Div 1 bottom 4 side, I'm I missing something? Since when his Div 2 non league? Plus if we sign any non league players then I hope they are still wanted by their present clubs, not just been shown the door by them. it's not, it's a league higher! And you wanted players like Bodin and Taylor you said. One was released by a L2 team and one by a conference team.
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Post by lpgas on May 7, 2018 15:08:42 GMT
I think we should be looking at players released from the division above as well as below. Football is about opinions and sometimes kids who are released go on to be very good players at other clubs. I would even look at City's released list (then we wont have to pay any removal expenses!)
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Post by pirate on May 7, 2018 15:16:46 GMT
I think we should be looking at players released from the division above as well as below. Football is about opinions and sometimes kids who are released go on to be very good players at other clubs. I would even look at City's released list (then we wont have to pay any removal expenses!) I personally don't care where players come from - Prem reserves/youths, League Two, National League or the the Western League, good players are good players. Thankfully the new chief scout is of the same opinion judging by his recent interview.
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