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Post by jaggas on Jul 27, 2018 9:47:09 GMT
All I am trying to point out is that halal meat should not be sneaked into the general food chain unless it is clearly labelled.These days we know to the mg what ingredients are in a tin of baked beans.The government have no plans to label halal for fear of prejudice and an outcry from the left who appease Islam.
Halal is for a minority and it should be supplied to that minority not foisted onto the general public by stealth.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jul 27, 2018 10:12:21 GMT
How to start a thread about press intrusions, and finish it with death penalties. (Only On Gaschat!)
Having gone through Heanus crimes involving White girls by Muslims.
Then onto Islam, their followers get religious privileges in the work place.
Then onto Christianity that's based on fear.
Then onto Hala meat
Then onto Death penalties.
Have I missed any? I'm sure I have...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 10:22:55 GMT
How to start a thread about press intrusions, and finish it with death penalties. (Only On Gaschat!) Having gone through Heanus crimes involving White girls by Muslims. Then onto Islam, their followers get religious privileges in the work place. Then onto Christianity that's based on fear. Then onto Hala meat Then onto Death penalties. Have I missed any? I'm sure I have... The simple fact is that if those two terrorists had been identified/found before they were caught, then a drone strike would have been approved and they would have been killed. Tried, sentenced and convicted, and nobody would have batted an eyelid....and rightly so. Not that I'm advocating a drone strike on the BBC mind. |
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Post by inee on Jul 27, 2018 10:58:45 GMT
Hugo if you had to choose i a bolt through your head or a slit throat so you would bleed out slowly ,which would you want ,i will say both ways are horrible ways of dying but one is much quicker less painful than the other. Some of us me included have a deep seated hatred of religion ,more atrocities ,theft ,sex crimes have been carried out in the name of religion than any other way ,belief in gods started as a way to scare and oppress people and still do today to some extent dependant on if you were brainwashed as a kid or not (all religions not just one) , so forgive me if i find it rather distasteful and deeply offensive if meat i buy is blessed , i avoid any meat from new zealand ,i would rather go without than buy their meat as it's all halal ,and yes it may taste the same but kosher or halal leave a very bitter taste in taste in my mouth as i shouldn't have to ask in this country whether my meat is slaughtered according to our ways ,You say just eat sausaes now that is a minefield as many will use lamb casings which may or may not have been blessed. you seem to be under the impression that a bullet to the head kills you immediately? Bolt ,i said bolt ,with a bullet to ensure almost instantaneous death it has to enter the swede at a very specific point and angle. What i was asking was would hugo like to be stunned(knocked out) or simply throat slit wide awake ,both methods involve the death of an animal but one is more cruel for the animal A very quick question have you ever killed a sheep for food if so what method did you use, i have tried both and believe me the stunned method is better for the animal |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 11:00:07 GMT
How to start a thread about press intrusions, and finish it with death penalties. (Only On Gaschat!) Having gone through Heanus crimes involving White girls by Muslims. Then onto Islam, their followers get religious privileges in the work place. Then onto Christianity that's based on fear. Then onto Hala meat Then onto Death penalties. Have I missed any? I'm sure I have... The simple fact is that if those two terrorists had been identified/found before they were caught, then a drone strike would have been approved and they would have been killed. Tried, sentenced and convicted, and nobody would have batted an eyelid....and rightly so. Not that I'm advocating a drone strike on the BBC mind. Ha ha. But you are right about drone strikes. But is that not in a war zone? Do we kill prisoners? |
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Post by inee on Jul 27, 2018 11:05:47 GMT
How to start a thread about press intrusions, and finish it with death penalties. (Only On Gaschat!) Having gone through Heanus crimes involving White girls by Muslims. Then onto Islam, their followers get religious privileges in the work place. Then onto Christianity that's based on fear. Then onto Hala meat Then onto Death penalties. Have I missed any? I'm sure I have... Everything is related ,these type of discussions always drift as it begins with cliff richards but then opens up with various related subjects. I stated that the BBC was wrong and if taken to court (richards) then the case would probably been thrown out` ,i also mentioned that for a heli to be booked with a cameraman at that specific point in time and at that specific house ,then someone in the police must have leaked it, same as a&s and the evening post after the last us v sh** match, but was it leaked to ensure that the case would then be closed . If it was me he would have got life for that awful dirge he calls music  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 11:07:22 GMT
The simple fact is that if those two terrorists had been identified/found before they were caught, then a drone strike would have been approved and they would have been killed. Tried, sentenced and convicted, and nobody would have batted an eyelid....and rightly so. Not that I'm advocating a drone strike on the BBC mind. Ha ha. But you are right about drone strikes. But is that not in a war zone? Do we kill prisoners? No, we are not at war with anyone (as far as I know)....and they are not our prisoners. They are currently being held by the Syrian Democratic Force (whoever they are). They had previously been stripped of their British Citizenship. Nothing to do with us now. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2018 11:25:39 GMT
Ha ha. But you are right about drone strikes. But is that not in a war zone? Do we kill prisoners? No, we are not at war with anyone (as far as I know)....and they are not our prisoners. They are currently being held by the Syrian Democratic Force (whoever they are). They had previously been stripped of their British Citizenship. Nothing to do with us now. Just kill 'em. Maybe the Halal way? |
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Post by inee on Jul 27, 2018 11:27:17 GMT
Throat slit bleeding out slowly prayers being said in the name of an all seeing fairy that doesn`t exist is your prefered method I take it............ See, that's what I don't get. I think we've probably both been playing a little bit in defending our corner, but we both agree that God is made up. How then, can blessing meat possibly make any difference? I can understand the issue around choice and I understand there is a possible point to conceed around method of execution. But where you both let yourself down is getting all hot and bothered about a religious thing that we all agree is meaningless. If it were all as meaningless as you and Inee keep saying why do you both keep ascribing meaning to it? It literally makes no difference. It's offensive simple as ,it's the fact that the meat is slowly killed with no regard to our processes ,and the fact that someone then blesses it ,lets look at it another way if you were buying a car and every model had religious imagery in the paintwork would you find it offensive(say it was the only option that allowed you to buy a car ,or would you prefer the right to buy a car that was not painted with religious imagery . The point is i would find the first offensive and i would not drive simple as. Or simply put if your meat was blessed in the name of oswald moseley ,or pol pot ,would you eat that meat ,i rather suspect if meat was blessed in those name there would be a right outcry ,however you accept a blessing by a mythical idol who has had a hand in more death and destruction than the two people mentioned ,and that is were i get offended ,you would have a fit if your meat was blessed in the name of the far right or far left ,but have no problem with it being blessed by the most evil ,oppressive ,murderous figure who lives in the sky. so yes we believe that god doesn't exist ,but find offence that food has been blessed in it's name despite the fact that more people have been harmed believing the myth ,than any other for of organisation |
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Post by inee on Jul 27, 2018 11:29:37 GMT
See, that's what I don't get. I think we've probably both been playing a little bit in defending our corner, but we both agree that God is made up. How then, can blessing meat possibly make any difference? I can understand the issue around choice and I understand there is a possible point to conceed around method of execution. But where you both let yourself down is getting all hot and bothered about a religious thing that we all agree is meaningless. If it were all as meaningless as you and Inee keep saying why do you both keep ascribing meaning to it? It literally makes no difference. Checkmate Far from checkmate |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 11:36:56 GMT
Far from checkmate Have you moved your Pawn yet? Seriously incoherent rants based upon your own prejudice and, like Jaggas, an inability to buy food that meets your ethical criteria in a free market are just laughable. Someone says KFC sells Halal chicken, or suspects they do. You don't like that. Don't buy it. Simples. If EColi was identified in a food product in your grocer of choice, you wouldn't rant about it and carry on buying it, would you? Really? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 27, 2018 11:41:59 GMT
See, that's what I don't get. I think we've probably both been playing a little bit in defending our corner, but we both agree that God is made up. How then, can blessing meat possibly make any difference? I can understand the issue around choice and I understand there is a possible point to conceed around method of execution. But where you both let yourself down is getting all hot and bothered about a religious thing that we all agree is meaningless. If it were all as meaningless as you and Inee keep saying why do you both keep ascribing meaning to it? It literally makes no difference. It's offensive simple as ,it's the fact that the meat is slowly killed with no regard to our processes ,and the fact that someone then blesses it ,lets look at it another way if you were buying a car and every model had religious imagery in the paintwork would you find it offensive(say it was the only option that allowed you to buy a car ,or would you prefer the right to buy a car that was not painted with religious imagery . The point is i would find the first offensive and i would not drive simple as. Or simply put if your meat was blessed in the name of oswald moseley ,or pol pot ,would you eat that meat ,i rather suspect if meat was blessed in those name there would be a right outcry ,however you accept a blessing by a mythical idol who has had a hand in more death and destruction than the two people mentioned ,and that is were i get offended ,you would have a fit if your meat was blessed in the name of the far right or far left ,but have no problem with it being blessed by the most evil ,oppressive ,murderous figure who lives in the sky. so yes we believe that god doesn't exist ,but find offence that food has been blessed in it's name despite the fact that more people have been harmed believing the myth ,than any other for of organisation I've maintained this whole time that I don't give a rats about anyone blessing anything because it's all complete nonsense. I find the idea that someone can care about the blessing of meat either way strange. They could bless my meat in the name of Hitler or Corbyn for all I care. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 27, 2018 11:48:46 GMT
Oh, and I thought it was only us Lilly livered lefty liberals that are supposed to get offended over stuff that doesn't exist. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 11:54:47 GMT
Oh, and I thought it was only us Lilly livered lefty liberals that are supposed to get offended over stuff that doesn't exist. Ha ha ha |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2018 12:53:27 GMT
Oh, and I thought it was only us Lilly livered lefty liberals that are supposed to get offended over stuff that doesn't exist. You dissing Santa? |
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Post by inee on Jul 27, 2018 13:07:50 GMT
Far from checkmate Have you moved your Pawn yet? Seriously incoherent rants based upon your own prejudice and, like Jaggas, an inability to buy food that meets your ethical criteria in a free market are just laughable. Someone says KFC sells Halal chicken, or suspects they do. You don't like that. Don't buy it. Simples. If EColi was identified in a food product in your grocer of choice, you wouldn't rant about it and carry on buying it, would you? Really? Oh dear ,what part of i no longer buy lamb because it's halal , i don't buy halal meats period , is it so difficult for you understand that. the point being made was that it is hidden ,most people don't know that they are eating it ,kfc i used to love the occasional one but stopped eating it years ago when they revealed that some suppliers were kicking the chickens around ,subway i will not buy anything from them as it's s-hit and bacon has been removed from some stores to appease a certain religious group ,why was it not removed earlier as another religious group can't touch bacon ,so for all the s-hite people spout about certain religions not getting preferential treatment that shows it does. If a shop i was using was selling dodgy food i would tell others so whats your point here. What really makes me laugh about people like yourself is every time someone disagrees you start slipping in things like racism ,when challenged you like many others ,refuse to show any post to back up your accusations. As a believer in the big book of lies ,it shows in your quick defence of anyone disagreeing with muslim practices ,are you one of those people who pretends to be outraged by things but then secretly still buy their goods or products from businesses that made their money from the very things you say you hate ,you also seem to quote organisations you dislike but don't appear to know how or why they were set up and like many seem unable to separate racism from religion. You continually try to belittle people when they mention foreign countries ,then go silent when the person says yes i have ,i take from your replies that you lived in kuwait for a while ,wow that makes you so much more aware about the world doesn't it ,in this thread you say my beliefs on justice were preposterous ,how many people do you know who have been subject to sexual abuse ,how many of them said to you you know what the offender is now locked up being treated better than i am ,so it's high time i just forget about it ,not jump when a stranger appears ,or have a breakdown when the offender is back on the streets in a few months time ,or spend a life time avoiding things just in case ,however it's all fine in your religion these things are ok because the book says so |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 27, 2018 13:16:06 GMT
Ok, you want an example?
Can't remember if it was this thread or the other one where the charge of islamophobia was denied with the counter that a phobia is an irrational fear.
It's actually defined as "an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something".
Irrespective of that, the defence was posited that the fear must be irrational and that dislike of Islam is reasonable.
Being offended by something that doesn't exist simply doesn't stand up to rationale.
What's sad, is that I actually agree with some of the points you have raised, but some of the rhetoric and language used within this thread (by jaggas mainly) needs challenging because it undermines your whole argument.
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Post by inee on Jul 27, 2018 13:32:13 GMT
Ok, you want an example? Can't remember if it was this thread or the other one where the charge of islamophobia was denied with the counter that a phobia is an irrational fear. It's actually defined as "an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something". Irrespective of that, the defence was posited that the fear must be irrational and that dislike of Islam is reasonable. Being offended by something that doesn't exist simply doesn't stand up to rationale. What's sad, is that I actually agree with some of the points you have raised, but some of the rhetoric and language used within this thread (by jaggas mainly) needs challenging because it undermines your whole argument. That wasn't aimed at you as you well know ,that was aimed at those who continue to confuse religion with race. Hugo as i pointed out it does stand up ,i find all organised religions offensive as since time began it's been a way of keeping the weak minded in line and more crime and death has been carried out in it's name than any other organisation, it makes people like chairman mau ,stalin ,pol pot (chosen for the numbers killed)look like armatures compared to atrocities carried out in the name of a make believe person , i don't believe in a god but does that mean i can't find everything done in his name offensive and bitter tasting ,similarily if my meat was blessed in the name of stalin should i still not be offended. i struggle to see how people can't understand that point , or if i saw a dog bone in the butchers labled as blessed by pol pot ,should i not be offended. |
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Post by inee on Jul 27, 2018 13:43:41 GMT
What's sad, is that I actually agree with some of the points you have raised, but some of the rhetoric and language used within this thread (by jaggas mainly) needs challenging because it undermines your whole argument. I don't know and have never met him ,but what i do know is that sometime we have to be slightly offensive or leading in the way we word stuff for others to take notice others do it too in different ways some use grammar and not commonly used words to appear they are superior more educated than others ,i've dealt with people like that every day in my previous job i knew my industry inside out so when i come across those who to get where they claimed to be had to crawl over everybody beneath them to succeed to then see them post as if they firmly believe in the left side of workers rights is to me the point at which i lose all respect for that person ,you've met me and several others have as well and know what you see is what you get ,i'm the same face to face as i am replying on here ,we are vastly different in our beliefs and outlook on life ,however we are both grown up enough to chew the cud and have a drink despite out differing opinions on stuff. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 27, 2018 13:55:19 GMT
Ok, you want an example? Can't remember if it was this thread or the other one where the charge of islamophobia was denied with the counter that a phobia is an irrational fear. It's actually defined as "an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something". Irrespective of that, the defence was posited that the fear must be irrational and that dislike of Islam is reasonable. Being offended by something that doesn't exist simply doesn't stand up to rationale. What's sad, is that I actually agree with some of the points you have raised, but some of the rhetoric and language used within this thread (by jaggas mainly) needs challenging because it undermines your whole argument. That wasn't aimed at you as you well know ,that was aimed at those who continue to confuse religion with race. Hugo as i pointed out it does stand up ,i find all organised religions offensive as since time began it's been a way of keeping the weak minded in line and more crime and death has been carried out in it's name than any other organisation, it makes people like chairman mau ,stalin ,pol pot (chosen for the numbers killed)look like armatures compared to atrocities carried out in the name of a make believe person , i don't believe in a god but does that mean i can't find everything done in his name offensive and bitter tasting ,similarily if my meat was blessed in the name of stalin should i still not be offended. i struggle to see how people can't understand that point , or if i saw a dog bone in the butchers labled as blessed by pol pot ,should i not be offended. I know it wasn't aimed at me. As I say, I also don't agree with any religion governing the way a country is run. The US has its own problem with the evangelicals. Like you, I like our liberal multiculturalism here where people, men, women, homosexuals, black, white etc are aforded equal rights and freedoms and under no circumstances could I ever advocate for any doctrine that does not accept that. I also agree that food should be clearly labelled so that people can make an informed choice. Animal rights is another issue where we have some level of common ground. I think there is a good case to be made to be wary of extremism in all its forms. |
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