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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 28, 2018 22:17:22 GMT
Anyone else read Darrell comments about stockley as more an indicator were going for him than not? I reckon he’s calling their bluff. Said similar on another thread. Everyone jumping the gun, but have they forgotten that we wouldn't sell the snake for millions!! DC always does this type of thing. Might be proved wrong and we sign 2 loan players! But I think it was a way of saying to the clubs of the player's we are after, we are not waisting money. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 22:25:52 GMT
It looks to me as if we have signed a very good player[tariq-holmes] who we normally wouldnt be able to afford. Trouble is hes still recovering from a serious injury. My take on it is its a gamble which could work out very well or very badly but i think i understand the reasoning with signing him. I think DC said the fee was modest and determined on an appearance basis so the gamble is the lad's wages. If it's a year with an option to extend then a gamble worth taking. Might need a loan as cover as Craig's legs are not up to playing left back. Lets not forget or rule out michael kelly who looked good again when he came on 12 minutes from time. |
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 28, 2018 23:37:27 GMT
I have explosive diarrhoea 😖 Please tell me you were not in the middle of the Thatchers end when you found out. If out and about i find a few pints of Guinness works for fast poo, stomach aches, dysentery etc. |
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 28, 2018 23:52:15 GMT
I have explosive diarrhoea 😖 Please tell me you were not in the middle of the Thatchers end when you found out. If out and about i find a few pints of Guinness works for fast poo, stomach aches, dysentery etc. Fortunately I was at home, never known an upset stomach like it , it was as if the diarrhoea was wearing daps! It was that fast ! |
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 29, 2018 0:26:03 GMT
Please tell me you were not in the middle of the Thatchers end when you found out. If out and about i find a few pints of Guinness works for fast poo, stomach aches, dysentery etc. Fortunately I was at home, never known an upset stomach like it , it was as if the diarrhoea was wearing daps! It was that fast ! Root cause is usually poor hygiene , stop licking the door handles. Get well soon Hollow man. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 29, 2018 6:39:24 GMT
Not there anyone gives us any positives? Reilly put more effort in the first minute he came on than Nichols did in 70 minutes. Mensah too. I`d start him, rather than Nichols. |
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Post by hollyhillgas on Jul 29, 2018 7:08:48 GMT
Anyone else read Darrell comments about stockley as more an indicator were going for him than not? I reckon he’s calling their bluff. After yesterday, why would Stockley want to come here? |
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Post by bluegas on Jul 29, 2018 8:23:40 GMT
To add some balance to the mini meltdown, I thought that was a really strange game in that the better side got stuffed 4-0! Two defensive shockers and a worldy from Boateng (no hint of that when he was here!) did for us in what was a decent performance but with no cutting edge. We need to remember that in the same way that beating WBA last pre-season didn't make us a promotion team, losing to Exeter doesn't make us a relegation team either. That said, there are some concerns. We played some good stuff on the deck but with Nichols on his own up front, it all unravelled as soon as it reached him. To be fair, he's not a lone striker but I'm beginning to lose patience with him. Accepting we don't yet know his weaknesses and therefore are likely only to see the good, I thought Reilly showed more movement and intent in his 30 minutes than Nichols had in the previous hour. Reilly and Mensah would look the best partnership from what we currently have and without a new striker by next week, I'd have no problem playing Mensah on his own up there. Upson and Matthews both impressed too (although I wonder if Matthews may be a tad predictable cutting inside all the time), but if there's one thing we learned today it's that we have to play Tony Craig at centre half. I like Broadbent and do feel he has potential, but at the moment he is miles behind Craig. Broadbent was bullied by Stockley (strong but possibly not mobile enough for a potential signing) and didn't win a header against him. Craig, despite being smaller, won everything in the air or used all the tricks in the book to force an error from the striker. We don't need a dominating centre half, we just have to play our best two together: Lockyer and Craig. So to Peterborough. Assuming no new signings or returns from injury I'd go with the following in a 4-5-1: Slocombe; Leadbitter, Lockyer, Craig, J Clarke; Upson, O Clarke, Sercombe, Bennett, Rodman; Mensah. I'd like to see more of Reilly but suspect a start might be too much so soon after injury and would exercise some caution at Peterborough anyway. Thanks for that 1970, good to read a measured account rather than a rant. It is a measured report & the way I saw it. Of course we've got problems & I'm disappointed but Exeter seemed to score out of nothing except Boateng - we should have expected a former player who disappointed us to score a very good goal against us. As for Stockley - could do a job & is physically the right size,but I wasn't that impressed by him. |
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Post by biggsy on Jul 29, 2018 9:55:01 GMT
To add some balance to the mini meltdown, I thought that was a really strange game in that the better side got stuffed 4-0! Two defensive shockers and a worldy from Boateng (no hint of that when he was here!) did for us in what was a decent performance but with no cutting edge. We need to remember that in the same way that beating WBA last pre-season didn't make us a promotion team, losing to Exeter doesn't make us a relegation team either. That said, there are some concerns. We played some good stuff on the deck but with Nichols on his own up front, it all unravelled as soon as it reached him. To be fair, he's not a lone striker but I'm beginning to lose patience with him. Accepting we don't yet know his weaknesses and therefore are likely only to see the good, I thought Reilly showed more movement and intent in his 30 minutes than Nichols had in the previous hour. Reilly and Mensah would look the best partnership from what we currently have and without a new striker by next week, I'd have no problem playing Mensah on his own up there. Upson and Matthews both impressed too (although I wonder if Matthews may be a tad predictable cutting inside all the time), but if there's one thing we learned today it's that we have to play Tony Craig at centre half. I like Broadbent and do feel he has potential, but at the moment he is miles behind Craig. Broadbent was bullied by Stockley (strong but possibly not mobile enough for a potential signing) and didn't win a header against him. Craig, despite being smaller, won everything in the air or used all the tricks in the book to force an error from the striker. We don't need a dominating centre half, we just have to play our best two together: Lockyer and Craig. So to Peterborough. Assuming no new signings or returns from injury I'd go with the following in a 4-5-1: Slocombe; Leadbitter, Lockyer, Craig, J Clarke; Upson, O Clarke, Sercombe, Bennett, Rodman; Mensah. I'd like to see more of Reilly but suspect a start might be too much so soon after injury and would exercise some caution at Peterborough anyway. Thats very much how I saw it, we played some good stuff in the first twenty minutes but when Christmas came early for Exeter heads dropped and our paper thin defence was totally exposed. No tackles,no leadership,no communication just a complete shambles at the back and total impotent up front. Ollie and James Clarke improved things when they were introduced as did Mensah and to a lesser extent Reilly. I'd prefer Partington to Leadbetter and find a place for Lines, probably at the expense of Rodman, who although showed some nice touches didnt look fully up to speed. Other than that the team you selected is about as good as it gets which worries me. A good midfield with decent options is really all we can take comfort in this morning! |
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Post by pepsi on Jul 29, 2018 10:00:11 GMT
Anyone else read Darrell comments about stockley as more an indicator were going for him than not? I reckon he’s calling their bluff. After yesterday, why would Stockley want to come here? Probably because no one looks at meaningless friendly Games to see where they may or may not seek new employment |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 29, 2018 10:56:34 GMT
Thanks for that 1970, good to read a measured account rather than a rant. It is a measured report & the way I saw it. Of course we've got problems & I'm disappointed but Exeter seemed to score out of nothing except Boateng - we should have expected a former player who disappointed us to score a very good goal against us. As for Stockley - could do a job & is physically the right size,but I wasn't that impressed by him. Mmm! Don’t know what went wrong with the quote button. I did say the first sentences but not the rest, I wasn’t there and wouldn’t pass detailed judgement on stuff I didn’t see. Although I did see Stockley make his Bournemouth debut as a 16 year old when he was the great hope for them when they had about 10p to spend on transfers! And whilst I have followed his career not sure he’s what we want but tbh at the moment I suspect he would give the team a lift and I think we’d get a much more aggressive attack with him. But movement and technique not the best.UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 29, 2018 10:57:44 GMT
Mmm! Don’t know what went wrong with the quote button. I did say the first sentences but not the rest, I wasn’t there and wouldn’t pass detailed judgement on stuff I didn’t see. Although I did see Stockley make his Bournemouth debut as a 16 year old when he was the great hope for them when they had about 10p to spend on transfers! And whilst I have followed his career not sure he’s what we want but tbh at the moment I suspect he would give the team a lift and I think we’d get a much more aggressive attack with him. But movement and technique not the best.UTG! I said the above not poor old blue gas. Don’t know what’s wrong with quote button! UTG! |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 29, 2018 11:56:43 GMT
I said last season we needed a completely new back 4 and after seeing that tosh yesterday I believe it even more
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 12:04:25 GMT
I said last season we needed a completely new back 4 and after seeing that tosh yesterday I believe it even more I believe we need a new BOD a new manager a new 28 man squad of players a new ground oh and 8000 supporters because the ones now turning up don’t sing loud enough |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 29, 2018 12:06:57 GMT
I said last season we needed a completely new back 4 and after seeing that tosh yesterday I believe it even more We have a new left back lol |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 29, 2018 12:08:06 GMT
I said last season we needed a completely new back 4 and after seeing that tosh yesterday I believe it even more We have a new left back lol Yep thats a start, i'd rather I played at LB than Craig though |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 29, 2018 19:51:16 GMT
We have a new left back lol Yep thats a start, i'd rather I played at LB than Craig though Agreed. James Clarke must start there next week unless we get a new one in or THD is fit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 20:14:21 GMT
I said last season we needed a completely new back 4 and after seeing that tosh yesterday I believe it even more You really think we can improve upon Lockyer, a Welsh international apparently coveted by teams higher up the leagues than us? Or Craig, an experienced campaigner who has seen it and done it all before, and brings leadership and real defensive quality to our team? I'd agree that we can improve at full back, although hopefully we've already addresed that on the left. But this really isn't priority. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 29, 2018 20:26:38 GMT
I said last season we needed a completely new back 4 and after seeing that tosh yesterday I believe it even more You really think we can improve upon Lockyer, a Welsh international apparently coveted by teams higher up the leagues than us? Or Craig, an experienced campaigner who has seen it and done it all before, and brings leadership and real defensive quality to our team? I'd agree that we can improve at full back, although hopefully we've already addresed that on the left. But this really isn't priority. Neither are really commanding though are they? and I personally dont believe they are players that will get us to the next level (although I dont think Wael wants that anyway) I'd cash in on Locks for sure if someone is a decent bid came in. A whole new back 4 needed (3 now we have the LB), I said it last season and yesterday did nothing to change my mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 20:57:48 GMT
You really think we can improve upon Lockyer, a Welsh international apparently coveted by teams higher up the leagues than us? Or Craig, an experienced campaigner who has seen it and done it all before, and brings leadership and real defensive quality to our team? I'd agree that we can improve at full back, although hopefully we've already addresed that on the left. But this really isn't priority. Neither are really commanding though are they? and I personally dont believe they are players that will get us to the next level (although I dont think Wael wants that anyway) I'd cash in on Locks for sure if someone is a decent bid came in. A whole new back 4 needed (3 now we have the LB), I said it last season and yesterday did nothing to change my mind. Not sure it's a case of not wanting to get to the next level, but more that we can't get there and sustain it yet. A few years in this league will do us no harm as we catch up off the pitch. I know what you mean about neither Lockyer nor Craig being commanding, although I do think they have other qualities. Yesterday showed this for me. In theory, Broadbent should have dominated Stockley or at least competed evenly with him, but he wasn't able to. He got dragged into challenging for every header and won hardly any. Craig however used his experience against Stockley, not by going up for every aerial challenge but by standing his ground and stopping him reaching the ball, or forcing the error when he did. I thought Craig gave a lesson to Tom in a different way of competing with an awkward customer. For me, he is real quality and as good a centre half as I've seen at Rovers in many a year. Defensively, Lockyer reads the game so well, is brave and decent in the air. Not great, but decent. His weakness is his distribution, although without that weakness he may have gone to better things already! Guess we'll have to agree to disagree about the centre halfs! UTG |
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