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Post by spiess1 on Aug 2, 2018 17:03:35 GMT
I would think the hold up is due to the fact that the board and Clarke are miles apart. DC wants a quality centre forward but the board want to spend as little as possible. Those two things don’t go hand in hand unless you unearth a gem and even then it takes time for such players to develop. When DC says we will have to see what's left in the budget for a second striker it suggests he has the funds for one striker and he knows what the budget is. We wait to see how much choice one costs before we slag anyone off. "We will wait to see ....... before we slag anyone off" You just don't get it, do you, oldie?
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2018 17:03:41 GMT
Let's be honest. I am not expecting the club to splash out millions on players like Marriott Pitman Wyke . However; if we expect to push for the top 6 then we should be recruiting or competing for players like Eaves Doyle Taylor Henderson Marquis . What is now clear is the club are miles away from this. We haven't the budget resources or vision to attract even mid table top div one strikers. So were does it leave us ?. I am guilty building up expectations and believing under Walel and co we would attract the best. Having reflected I now accept we are a moderate division one club with very limited resources. This is reflected in our 'wish list ' of players . I don't expect too much this season survival would feel ok. So now I know this reality I suppose we all need to accept loans free's and average division two players. After all : could we raise the money for Ian Henderson or John Marquis ? Not a chance.. Doncaster rejected bids of £750k for Marquis.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 17:04:01 GMT
Which is why I think we are putting the cart before the horse by appointing a professional personnel infrastructure when we don't know if we will ever have the sort of conditions to allow them to do their jobs properly. Just seems mad to me to have the ceo, head of recruitment, office in london etc and yet we won't even have a training ground in 12 months time. It's a bit different to appointing a CEO when you already have a chairman and renting a seemingly expensive office in London. A head of recruitment is vital. End of. I can't believe we're even having this discussion. If you want to hear how vital the role is listen to this when you get chance: downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/5live/5lspecials/5lspecials_20110803-1154a.mp3Agreed Pirate. I cannot believe some fans. How long ago was it when we slagged off the lack of a scouting network, the lack of professional backroom staff. So the owners do it, not because complained but because it makes perfect economic sense. The trouble I think is, there are a an awful lot of fans who could not run cockle shop on Weston beach, but feel free to slag off people who actually spend their cash flow. Jesus Christ, get a grip
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 17:04:13 GMT
I would think the hold up is due to the fact that the board and Clarke are miles apart. DC wants a quality centre forward but the board want to spend as little as possible. Those two things don’t go hand in hand unless you unearth a gem and even then it takes time for such players to develop. When DC says we will have to see what's left in the budget for a second striker it suggests he has the funds for one striker and he knows what the budget is. We wait to see how much choice one costs before we slag anyone off. I would rather he spent the whole budget on one good striker than take second best in order to have a bit left for a fourth choice, especially if we play a lot with five in midfield which is our only area of strength squad wise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 17:05:07 GMT
When DC says we will have to see what's left in the budget for a second striker it suggests he has the funds for one striker and he knows what the budget is. We wait to see how much choice one costs before we slag anyone off. "We will wait to see ....... before we slag anyone off" You just don't get it, do you, oldie? Enlighten me
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Post by spiess1 on Aug 2, 2018 17:06:16 GMT
Eggs. Eric. One basket.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 2, 2018 17:07:33 GMT
I think the reason we find it so difficult to sign players is because DC has to make sure the player has the right attitude to fit the ethos of the rest of the squad and also he likes to make sure he gets players at the right value.
Although it might be frustrating to see other teams signing players that we’d like to see, it’s a strategy that hasn’t worked too badly for us over the last few years considering how little money we’ve spent on players.
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Post by spiess1 on Aug 2, 2018 17:08:33 GMT
"We will wait to see ....... before we slag anyone off" You just don't get it, do you, oldie? Enlighten me One has to slag off on here BEFORE seeing, thinking, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 17:09:57 GMT
When DC says we will have to see what's left in the budget for a second striker it suggests he has the funds for one striker and he knows what the budget is. We wait to see how much choice one costs before we slag anyone off. I would rather he spent the whole budget on one good striker than take second best in order to have a bit left for a fourth choice, especially if we play a lot with five in midfield which is our only area of strength squad wise. Fortunately Eric, we employee a damn good manager to make those decisions so armchair managers like you and I don't have to. Thank God.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 17:10:45 GMT
I think the reason we find it so difficult to sign players is because DC has to make sure the player has the right attitude to fit the ethos of the rest of the squad and also he likes to make sure he gets players at the right value. Although it might be frustrating to see other teams signing players that we’d like to see, it’s a strategy that hasn’t worked too badly for us over the last few years considering how little money we’ve spent on players. Totally
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 2, 2018 17:10:59 GMT
Let's be honest. I am not expecting the club to splash out millions on players like Marriott Pitman Wyke . However; if we expect to push for the top 6 then we should be recruiting or competing for players like Eaves Doyle Taylor Henderson Marquis . What is now clear is the club are miles away from this. We haven't the budget resources or vision to attract even mid table top div one strikers. So were does it leave us ?. I am guilty building up expectations and believing under Walel and co we would attract the best. Having reflected I now accept we are a moderate division one club with very limited resources. This is reflected in our 'wish list ' of players . I don't expect too much this season survival would feel ok. So now I know this reality I suppose we all need to accept loans free's and average division two players. After all : could we raise the money for Ian Henderson or John Marquis ? Not a chance.. Doyle went for £300K we therefore don't need to "raise" any money as we just need to use some of Harrison's money? What I don't get is if we hadn't sold Gaffney or Harrison teh we wouldn't have the money in the bank, so why can't we spend it as, unlike under NH, you can't imagine the bank is seeking to have some of it's loan repaid? If the ALQ's are looking to recoup some of the money they've spent then how are we ever going to progress, if we just sell our best players to pay off our debts, which are increasing so much due to having so many senior personnel/office in London etc we don't really need.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 17:12:05 GMT
One has to slag off on here BEFORE seeing, thinking, etc. Got you. Sorry. My bad ( in current parlance)
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Aug 2, 2018 17:21:45 GMT
Let's be honest. I am not expecting the club to splash out millions on players like Marriott Pitman Wyke . However; if we expect to push for the top 6 then we should be recruiting or competing for players like Eaves Doyle Taylor Henderson Marquis . What is now clear is the club are miles away from this. We haven't the budget resources or vision to attract even mid table top div one strikers. So were does it leave us ?. I am guilty building up expectations and believing under Walel and co we would attract the best. Having reflected I now accept we are a moderate division one club with very limited resources. This is reflected in our 'wish list ' of players . I don't expect too much this season survival would feel ok. So now I know this reality I suppose we all need to accept loans free's and average division two players. After all : could we raise the money for Ian Henderson or John Marquis ? Not a chance.. Doncaster rejected bids of £750k for Marquis. Now that would've been the marquis signing everyone was hoping to see.
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2018 17:27:03 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 2, 2018 17:34:52 GMT
Agreed Pirate. I cannot believe some fans. How long ago was it when we slagged off the lack of a scouting network, the lack of professional backroom staff. So the owners do it, not because complained but because it makes perfect economic sense. The trouble I think is, there are a an awful lot of fans who could not run cockle shop on Weston beach, but feel free to slag off people who actually spend their cash flow. Jesus Christ, get a grip What's that saying about cutting your cloth... as we seem to have gone from a non league set up under NH to a Championship type set up under ALQ but the annual income is probably hardly any greater (unless TG's worked a miracle this summer). The CEO, Chairman and office in London are probably costing the best part of £500K meanwhile we can't seem afford a similar figure to spend on replacing Harrison.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Aug 2, 2018 17:36:33 GMT
Let's be honest. I am not expecting the club to splash out millions on players like Marriott Pitman Wyke . However; if we expect to push for the top 6 then we should be recruiting or competing for players like Eaves Doyle Taylor Henderson Marquis . What is now clear is the club are miles away from this. We haven't the budget resources or vision to attract even mid table top div one strikers. So were does it leave us ?. I am guilty building up expectations and believing under Walel and co we would attract the best. Having reflected I now accept we are a moderate division one club with very limited resources. This is reflected in our 'wish list ' of players . I don't expect too much this season survival would feel ok. So now I know this reality I suppose we all need to accept loans free's and average division two players. After all : could we raise the money for Ian Henderson or John Marquis ? Not a chance.. Doyle went for £300K we therefore don't need to "raise" any money as we just need to use some of Harrison's money? What I don't get is if we hadn't sold Gaffney or Harrison teh we wouldn't have the money in the bank, so why can't we spend it as, unlike under NH, you can't imagine the bank is seeking to have some of it's loan repaid? If the ALQ's are looking to recoup some of the money they've spent then how are we ever going to progress, if we just sell our best players to pay off our debts, which are increasing so much due to having so many senior personnel/office in London etc we don't really need.
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Post by james246 on Aug 2, 2018 17:37:21 GMT
I guess the signing may be a pretty pretty substantial sum if DC is unsure afterwards whether or not he can then afford a loan signing. I believe that Cole is available for not much over £300K which to me would seem very good value, not sure what his wages would be though. Lets hope we sign a good player, certainly the club needs to back the manager strongly. If the idea is to get him before Saturday then tomorrow should be interesting.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Aug 2, 2018 17:40:19 GMT
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All we know is there as been a massive shift from the summer of 2016 when the club spent a reported £600 k plus . And now we made £1.2 million since January and haven't spent a penny. Why this is the case I don't know .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 17:50:27 GMT
Agreed Pirate. I cannot believe some fans. How long ago was it when we slagged off the lack of a scouting network, the lack of professional backroom staff. So the owners do it, not because complained but because it makes perfect economic sense. The trouble I think is, there are a an awful lot of fans who could not run cockle shop on Weston beach, but feel free to slag off people who actually spend their cash flow. Jesus Christ, get a grip What's that saying about cutting your cloth... as we seem to have gone from a non league set up under NH to a Championship type set up under ALQ but the annual income is probably hardly any greater (unless TG's worked a miracle this summer). The CEO, Chairman and office in London are probably costing the best part of £500K meanwhile we can't seem afford a similar figure to spend on replacing Harrison. Fair comment. But let's be quite straightforward. It's for the shareholders, through their nominated directors, to dictate strategy and delivery. You may well think your opinion would deliver better results. But until you stick your own money in it doesn't mean much. Sure, the directors have been water poor at expectation management. That bothers me, but having had dealings with guys from the middle East at board level, it really doesn't surprise me. They have, a broad generalisation I accept, a rather elitist view on life, perhaps incompatible with current day management techniques. That does surprise me given Wael's educational background, but there you go. They really don't expect us to understand it and have a view. A terrible lack of foresight in my opinion, given the energy and not inconsiderable skill sets they could fall back on. And that from people who have a psychological contract with the club which dilutes the cost impact. Hiiggs and co did the same, their excuse was even more tame.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 2, 2018 18:04:16 GMT
We may as well convince Rickie Lambert to come out of retirement! I'd rather that than some of the names suggested. The bloke can hardly walk with his bad back, a great improvement then on some of the camels we have at the moment
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