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Post by hpgas on Aug 2, 2018 20:34:28 GMT
If Reilly's replaced Gaffers why is DC talking about signing two No 9's as Gaffers was rarely played as a No 10? DC's said earlier today that barring late injuries etc he's picked his team for Saturday, so even if we sign a new No 9 before 5pm(?) tomorrow it looks like Reilly (fingers crossed) or Nichols (most likely?) will start upfront on Saturday. If Nichols does start, I hope he is up for it as he will get a rough ride from his ex team mates and abuse from the home fans too. I hope he is in the mood to not only prove us wrong but his old club wrong too. Not sure he’ll have any ex team-mates there given the turnover at Peterborough! |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 2, 2018 20:40:01 GMT
If Reilly's replaced Gaffers why is DC talking about signing two No 9's as Gaffers was rarely played as a No 10? DC's said earlier today that barring late injuries etc he's picked his team for Saturday, so even if we sign a new No 9 before 5pm(?) tomorrow it looks like Reilly (fingers crossed) or Nichols (most likely?) will start upfront on Saturday. If Nichols does start, I hope he is up for it as he will get a rough ride from his ex team mates and abuse from the home fans too. I hope he is in the mood to not only prove us wrong but his old club wrong too. Yeah, it's a massive opportunity for him. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 2, 2018 20:44:05 GMT
If Nichols does start, I hope he is up for it as he will get a rough ride from his ex team mates and abuse from the home fans too. I hope he is in the mood to not only prove us wrong but his old club wrong too. Yeah, it's a massive opportunity for him. Just a pity I've got as much chance of winning the lottery than him taking it. If Nichols starts upfront then I might just check the score at 5 on Saturday, rather than waste an afternoon following the match. |
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 2, 2018 20:48:11 GMT
Another pointless management role imo. DC said that he and Widdrington had given the owners our list of targets. As yet nowt has happened. I can understand a club like Peterborough having a head of recruitment (although they seem to be doing quite nicely as it is) whereas for us given how sporadic we are in making signings it seems like another waste of a wage that could go towards the playing budget. I'm sorry, but this absolute nonsense. Apart from the manager, the 'head of recruitment' or 'chief scout' has to be one of the most important positions at any football club. Agreed. And just because we haven't had one, doesn't mean we shouldn't have had one. Anyway, many clubs have a head coach / director of football arrangement - we don't so a head of recruitment is actually partly filling one of the gaps, just like a DOF fills gaps. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 2, 2018 21:01:36 GMT
I'm sorry, but this absolute nonsense. Apart from the manager, the 'head of recruitment' or 'chief scout' has to be one of the most important positions at any football club. Agreed. And just because we haven't had one, doesn't mean we shouldn't have had one. Anyway, many clubs have a head coach / director of football arrangement - we don't so a head of recruitment is actually partly filling one of the gaps, just like a DOF fills gaps. Little point in having one but no playing budget for him to spend? TBH I'd swap him for a LB if this was Football Manager!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 21:08:30 GMT
Agreed. And just because we haven't had one, doesn't mean we shouldn't have had one. Anyway, many clubs have a head coach / director of football arrangement - we don't so a head of recruitment is actually partly filling one of the gaps, just like a DOF fills gaps. Little point in having one but no playing budget for him to spend? TBH I'd swap him for a LB if this was Football Manager!! What about all of the free transfers that are around? |
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2018 21:24:39 GMT
Little point in having one but no playing budget for him to spend? TBH I'd swap him for a LB if this was Football Manager!! What about all of the free transfers that are around? Most of the better ones have been signed by other clubs. |
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Post by axegas on Aug 2, 2018 21:31:44 GMT
What about all of the free transfers that are around? Most of the better ones have been signed by other clubs. Never rule out a free transfer similar to Bennett and Craig’s where the player is released from their contract to sign for you. |
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2018 21:35:21 GMT
Most of the better ones have been signed by other clubs. Never rule out a free transfer similar to Bennett and Craig’s where the player is released from their contract to sign for you. Good point. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 2, 2018 21:35:33 GMT
Most of the better ones have been signed by other clubs. Never rule out a free transfer similar to Bennett and Craig’s where the player is released from their contract to sign for you. I doubt those moves happen during this window, although the loan window doesn't end until the 31 August. |
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2018 21:36:18 GMT
Never rule out a free transfer similar to Bennett and Craig’s where the player is released from their contract to sign for you. I doubt those moves happen during this window, although the loan window doesn't end until the 31 August. Another good point.  |
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Post by contradiction on Aug 2, 2018 21:59:08 GMT
Surely not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 22:02:05 GMT
What about all of the free transfers that are around? Most of the better ones have been signed by other clubs. And with respect that highlights the point I'm trying to make. We are so bogged down by inertia with regards to transfer activity that any head of recruitment we might have has got their work cut out trying to make a difference. Do other clubs at our level or below have a full time head of scouting/recruitment? I would have thought they may have contacts that they use on a consultancy basis as and when they need to make a signing rather than commit to a salary for a 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year role. I might just be being very naive there... |
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Post by contradiction on Aug 2, 2018 22:09:50 GMT
Agreed Pirate. I cannot believe some fans. How long ago was it when we slagged off the lack of a scouting network, the lack of professional backroom staff. So the owners do it, not because complained but because it makes perfect economic sense. The trouble I think is, there are a an awful lot of fans who could not run cockle shop on Weston beach, but feel free to slag off people who actually spend their cash flow. Jesus Christ, get a grip Totally agree Oldie. I dont think people have the slightest clue. Signing a player is a massive and complex undertaking involving agents, 3rd parties, advisors, accountants etc. What wages are they on, whats their basic salary expectations, will this break our salary structure, what signing on fee is wanted, how will this be spread over the contract, can we even match the demands, whats the agents fee, what pay off does his existing contract say, what is his attitude like, does he work hard, what is he like in the changing room, does he like a drink, what is he like with the younger players, does he want re housng costs covered, does his Mrs want him to stay put. Etc etc etc. And that is only after identification of the player in accordance with what the manager actually wants. And identification of a ball park transfer fee.
I think some people think its a quick call by the manager to the selling club and it can be done in 5 minutes. Its a jungle nowadays, and the reason so mamy deals are left so late is because the financial demands become more realistic the later you leave it.
Seems some people dont have a clue and quite frankly its embarrassing . Get a f*cking grip indeed
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2018 22:19:59 GMT
Most of the better ones have been signed by other clubs. And with respect that highlights the point I'm trying to make. We are so bogged down by inertia with regards to transfer activity that any head of recruitment we might have has got their work cut out trying to make a difference. Do other clubs at our level or below have a full time head of scouting/recruitment? I would have thought they may have contacts that they use on a consultancy basis as and when they need to make a signing rather than commit to a salary for a 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year role. I might just be being very naive there... I think most clubs at this level will have a full time head of recruitment. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 22:30:21 GMT
Agreed Pirate. I cannot believe some fans. How long ago was it when we slagged off the lack of a scouting network, the lack of professional backroom staff. So the owners do it, not because complained but because it makes perfect economic sense. The trouble I think is, there are a an awful lot of fans who could not run cockle shop on Weston beach, but feel free to slag off people who actually spend their cash flow. Jesus Christ, get a grip Totally agree Oldie. I dont think people have the slightest clue. Signing a player is a massive and complex undertaking involving agents, 3rd parties, advisors, accountants etc. What wages are they on, whats their basic salary expectations, will this break our salary structure, what signing on fee is wanted, how will this be spread over the contract, can we even match the demands, whats the agents fee, what pay off does his existing contract say, what is his attitude like, does he work hard, what is he like in the changing room, does he like a drink, what is he like with the younger players, does he want re housng costs covered, does his Mrs want him to stay put. Etc etc etc. And that is only after identification of the player in accordance with what the manager actually wants. And identification of a ball park transfer fee.
I think some people think its a quick call by the manager to the selling club and it can be done in 5 minutes. Its a jungle nowadays, and the reason so mamy deals are left so late is because the financial demands become more realistic the later you leave it.
Seems some people dont have a clue and quite frankly its embarrassing . Get a f*cking grip indeed
Fair points and I would agree if it wasn't for seeing so many other clubs quickly replace outgoing players. We do seem to be in a minority in terms of how long it takes to replace players. It's like pulling teeth. Do we not have any contingency plans in case our best players get sold? Ideas in mind of replacements and how much they would cost? For all this supposed professionalism there seems a real lack of conviction when it comes to trying to retain our top assets and replacing them if necessary and it doesn't instil confidence that the various departments are singing from the same hymn sheet. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 22:36:31 GMT
Yeah, it's a massive opportunity for him. Just a pity I've got as much chance of winning the lottery than him taking it. If Nichols starts upfront then I might just check the score at 5 on Saturday, rather than waste an afternoon following the match. And what about if he's starting in the home games mate? Leave the Mem during the warm up when the teams are announced and pop back at full time?
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Post by tylerdunnell03 on Aug 2, 2018 22:40:52 GMT
I have been told by club owner that the player will sign tomorrow and is above 6ft my prediction is chuks aneke. As when I said his name he said ‘close’. He tends to do this type stuff with new players. Did it with Reilly also!
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Post by pirate on Aug 2, 2018 22:40:54 GMT
Totally agree Oldie. I dont think people have the slightest clue. Signing a player is a massive and complex undertaking involving agents, 3rd parties, advisors, accountants etc. What wages are they on, whats their basic salary expectations, will this break our salary structure, what signing on fee is wanted, how will this be spread over the contract, can we even match the demands, whats the agents fee, what pay off does his existing contract say, what is his attitude like, does he work hard, what is he like in the changing room, does he like a drink, what is he like with the younger players, does he want re housng costs covered, does his Mrs want him to stay put. Etc etc etc. And that is only after identification of the player in accordance with what the manager actually wants. And identification of a ball park transfer fee.
I think some people think its a quick call by the manager to the selling club and it can be done in 5 minutes. Its a jungle nowadays, and the reason so mamy deals are left so late is because the financial demands become more realistic the later you leave it.
Seems some people dont have a clue and quite frankly its embarrassing . Get a f*cking grip indeed
Fair points and I would agree if it wasn't for seeing so many other clubs quickly replace outgoing players. We do seem to be in a minority in terms of how long it takes to replace players. It's like pulling teeth. Do we not have any contingency plans in case our best players get sold? Ideas in mind of replacements and how much they would cost? For all this supposed professionalism there seems a real lack of conviction when it comes to trying to retain our top assets and replacing them if necessary and it doesn't instil confidence that the various departments are singing from the same hymn sheet. DC has made it clear enough that it is to do with budgets. I'm sure he has been desperate to bring in two strikers before now and probably had a list of targets, but for whatever reason (Al Qadi) he hasn't been been able to agree terms, either on transfer fees and/or wages. He said at the BBC fans forum, or words to that effect, that other clubs owners are willing to put additional money in and he doesn't have the benefit of that here. |
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Post by contradiction on Aug 2, 2018 22:46:56 GMT
Totally agree Oldie. I dont think people have the slightest clue. Signing a player is a massive and complex undertaking involving agents, 3rd parties, advisors, accountants etc. What wages are they on, whats their basic salary expectations, will this break our salary structure, what signing on fee is wanted, how will this be spread over the contract, can we even match the demands, whats the agents fee, what pay off does his existing contract say, what is his attitude like, does he work hard, what is he like in the changing room, does he like a drink, what is he like with the younger players, does he want re housng costs covered, does his Mrs want him to stay put. Etc etc etc. And that is only after identification of the player in accordance with what the manager actually wants. And identification of a ball park transfer fee.
I think some people think its a quick call by the manager to the selling club and it can be done in 5 minutes. Its a jungle nowadays, and the reason so mamy deals are left so late is because the financial demands become more realistic the later you leave it.
Seems some people dont have a clue and quite frankly its embarrassing . Get a f*cking grip indeed
Fair points and I would agree if it wasn't for seeing so many other clubs quickly replace outgoing players. We do seem to be in a minority in terms of how long it takes to replace players. It's like pulling teeth. Do we not have any contingency plans in case our best players get sold? Ideas in mind of replacements and how much they would cost? For all this supposed professionalism there seems a real lack of conviction when it comes to trying to retain our top assets and replacing them if necessary and it doesn't instil confidence that the various departments are singing from the same hymn sheet. Conviction in wanting to retain our players? Taylor, Bodin and Harrison all wanted to leave. You cant force them to sign new contracts if they dont want to. Not in the real world, anyway.
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