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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 20:06:11 GMT
This reminds me of when Trollop was in charge. Started to lack ideas and stuck with his players that weren't good enough and couldn't do anything about it. No money to buy players and no one interested in Coming to us. 4 to 5 years is about right before a manager moves on. That time is now. I worry that there is a grain of truth in that. Bakayoko is the sort of signing we made when we were resigned to relegation when Trollope left. A considerable chunk of money on a player who doesn't look good enough but nobody behind the scenes gives a sh** enough to bang some heads together over it. There is a real jaded feeling about us at the moment, every department of the club has been found wanting over this pre-season.
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Post by tommym9 on Aug 6, 2018 20:06:59 GMT
This reminds me of when Trollop was in charge. Started to lack ideas and stuck with his players that weren't good enough and couldn't do anything about it. No money to buy players and no one interested in Coming to us. 4 to 5 years is about right before a manager moves on. That time is now. Behave
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Post by kampucheagas on Aug 6, 2018 20:43:01 GMT
Broadbent at 9 for sat play 442 we've got everything to gain! The reason I say this is because my daughter trains with the GFA and rather than the kids sticking to there preferred positions they expect a certain amount of differencial positional play . Example my daughter can play both wing back striker defensive midfield as well as the other kids doing like ways. Point being if kids can do this so can a professional football player. I believe we have done this before (Billy ocean) and others. In rovers hour of need it's well worth ago Is she 6 foot 3" or preferably taller?
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 6, 2018 21:40:48 GMT
This reminds me of when Trollop was in charge. Started to lack ideas and stuck with his players that weren't good enough and couldn't do anything about it. No money to buy players and no one interested in Coming to us. 4 to 5 years is about right before a manager moves on. That time is now. I worry that there is a grain of truth in that. Bakayoko is the sort of signing we made when we were resigned to relegation when Trollope left. A considerable chunk of money on a player who doesn't look good enough but nobody behind the scenes gives a sh** enough to bang some heads together over it. There is a real jaded feeling about us at the moment, every department of the club has been found wanting over this pre-season. Trollope was signing the likes of a young John Akinde who at the time couldn’t hit a cows arse with a banjo and Mark Wright who just couldn’t give a toss. By the end we ended up with a bunch of prima donnas with the tail very much wagging the dog. Nothing like the end of the Trolls era. The problem we have is the lack of investment in the first team by the board combined with the rising costs of players wages and fees as well as having a club which cannot generate the amount of income we need to be competitive in this league with our large donations from the owners, which, they aren’t prepared to give. Also found out tonight from a good friend who spoke to Wael on Saturday at P’boro who asked where the Ellis transfer funds had gone and he was told that Ipswich are paying us in instalments for Ellis. That’s right, a championship club paying £750k in instalments. Why the hell did we agree to that. We should have gotten that fee up front. Absolute joke.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 21:46:07 GMT
Broadbent at 9 for sat play 442 we've got everything to gain! The reason I say this is because my daughter trains with the GFA and rather than the kids sticking to there preferred positions they expect a certain amount of differencial positional play . Example my daughter can play both wing back striker defensive midfield as well as the other kids doing like ways. Point being if kids can do this so can a professional football player. I believe we have done this before (Billy ocean) and others. In rovers hour of need it's well worth ago What a load of sh*t
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 21:47:30 GMT
I worry that there is a grain of truth in that. Bakayoko is the sort of signing we made when we were resigned to relegation when Trollope left. A considerable chunk of money on a player who doesn't look good enough but nobody behind the scenes gives a sh** enough to bang some heads together over it. There is a real jaded feeling about us at the moment, every department of the club has been found wanting over this pre-season. Trollope was signing the likes of a young John Akinde who at the time couldn’t hit a cows arse with a banjo and Mark Wright who just couldn’t give a toss. By the end we ended up with a bunch of prima donnas with the tail very much wagging the dog. Nothing like the end of the Trolls era. The problem we have is the lack of investment in the first team by the board combined with the rising costs of players wages and fees as well as having a club which cannot generate the amount of income we need to be competitive in this league with our large donations from the owners, which, they aren’t prepared to give. Also found out tonight from a good friend who spoke to Wael on Saturday at P’boro who asked where the Ellis transfer funds had gone and he was told that Ipswich are paying us in instalments for Ellis. That’s right, a championship club paying £750k in instalments. Why the hell did we agree to that. We should have gotten that fee up front. Absolute joke. I am so mad at the way this club is being run that I can barely put it into words. That is beyond galling- we practically gave Ellis away while other teams are asking crazy money for their assets. I could even maybe understand if the 750k was a discount based on an up front payment....but **** me sideways if their offer was a pitiful one to be paid by instalments. We should insist on paying for our £4 sausage rolls by instalments and see how they like that, the ****ing belters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 21:52:53 GMT
Trollope was signing the likes of a young John Akinde who at the time couldn’t hit a cows arse with a banjo and Mark Wright who just couldn’t give a toss. By the end we ended up with a bunch of prima donnas with the tail very much wagging the dog. Nothing like the end of the Trolls era. The problem we have is the lack of investment in the first team by the board combined with the rising costs of players wages and fees as well as having a club which cannot generate the amount of income we need to be competitive in this league with our large donations from the owners, which, they aren’t prepared to give. Also found out tonight from a good friend who spoke to Wael on Saturday at P’boro who asked where the Ellis transfer funds had gone and he was told that Ipswich are paying us in instalments for Ellis. That’s right, a championship club paying £750k in instalments. Why the hell did we agree to that. We should have gotten that fee up front. Absolute joke. I am so mad at the way this club is being run that I can barely put it into words. That is beyond galling- we practically gave Ellis away while other teams are asking crazy money for their assets. I could even maybe understand if the 750k was a discount based on an up front payment....but **** me sideways if their offer was a pitiful one to be paid by instalments. We should insist on paying for our £4 sausage rolls by instalments and see how they like that, the ****ing belters. I been told by good source that they are selling us down the river.
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Post by dragonfly on Aug 6, 2018 21:55:49 GMT
I worry that there is a grain of truth in that. Bakayoko is the sort of signing we made when we were resigned to relegation when Trollope left. A considerable chunk of money on a player who doesn't look good enough but nobody behind the scenes gives a sh** enough to bang some heads together over it. There is a real jaded feeling about us at the moment, every department of the club has been found wanting over this pre-season. Trollope was signing the likes of a young John Akinde who at the time couldn’t hit a cows arse with a banjo and Mark Wright who just couldn’t give a toss. By the end we ended up with a bunch of prima donnas with the tail very much wagging the dog. Nothing like the end of the Trolls era. The problem we have is the lack of investment in the first team by the board combined with the rising costs of players wages and fees as well as having a club which cannot generate the amount of income we need to be competitive in this league with our large donations from the owners, which, they aren’t prepared to give. Also found out tonight from a good friend who spoke to Wael on Saturday at P’boro who asked where the Ellis transfer funds had gone and he was told that Ipswich are paying us in instalments for Ellis. That’s right, a championship club paying £750k in instalments. Why the hell did we agree to that. We should have gotten that fee up front. Absolute joke Did Wael confirm the fee was £750,000?
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Post by rosssgb on Aug 6, 2018 22:37:09 GMT
We are such a pathetic soft touch in the transfer market.
Just look at how Shrewsbury have dealt with Ipswich bids for Nolan and Nsiala, they will now be getting £2,000,000 up front for both players!
Absolute shambles. Why we always roll over and get our tummies tickled I’ll never know.
Worth noting that Nsiala only has 1 year left on his contract so exactly the same boat as Ellis, at a similar age BUT he’s a defender - just shows how much we’ve been shafted (and some on here said it was good business getting 750k for Harrison 😂)
Edit - £1,250,000 for Nolan £750,000 for Nsiala
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 6, 2018 22:38:23 GMT
We are such a pathetic soft touch in the transfer market. Just look at how Shrewsbury have dealt with Ipswich bids for Nolan and Nsiala, they will now be getting £1,000,000 up front for each player! Absolute shambles. Why we always roll over and get our tummies tickled I’ll never know. Worth noting that Nsiala only has 1 year left on his contract so exactly the same boat as Ellis, at a similar age BUT he’s a defender - just shows how much we’ve been shafted (and some on here said it was good business getting 750k for Harrison 😂) Same with Accrington turning down £1.75m for Jackson from Ipswich.
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Post by rosssgb on Aug 6, 2018 22:40:41 GMT
We are such a pathetic soft touch in the transfer market. Just look at how Shrewsbury have dealt with Ipswich bids for Nolan and Nsiala, they will now be getting £1,000,000 up front for each player! Absolute shambles. Why we always roll over and get our tummies tickled I’ll never know. Worth noting that Nsiala only has 1 year left on his contract so exactly the same boat as Ellis, at a similar age BUT he’s a defender - just shows how much we’ve been shafted (and some on here said it was good business getting 750k for Harrison 😂) Same with Accrington turning down £1.75m for Jackson from Ipswich. Sort of figure we should’ve been looking at for EH.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 22:56:33 GMT
I think we have gained the reputation of being cheap sellers and clubs reflect that knowledge in their bids.
Initial twitter rumours suggest EH went for £1.6m which seemed good business then find out its £750k then find out its paid in installments.
I'm suspect if we kept our nerve EH could have netted £1m to £1.25m.
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Post by xplosivgas on Aug 6, 2018 23:05:40 GMT
I think we have gained the reputation of being cheap sellers and clubs reflect that knowledge in their bids. Initial twitter rumours suggest EH went for £1.6m which seemed good business then find out its £750k then find out its paid in installments. I'm suspect if we kept our nerve EH could have netted £1m to £1.25m. Even if we did get £2mill for EH I doubt it'd made any difference to our playing budget. We'd have likely just signed up a catering supervisor and maybe an accounts clerk at a push.
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Post by rosssgb on Aug 6, 2018 23:09:03 GMT
I think we have gained the reputation of being cheap sellers and clubs reflect that knowledge in their bids. Initial twitter rumours suggest EH went for £1.6m which seemed good business then find out its £750k then find out its paid in installments. I'm suspect if we kept our nerve EH could have netted £1m to £1.25m. Going off the fact Nolan is an attacking mid and 26, with Ellis being a striker and 24 we should’ve at the very least been looking at a comparable figure to what the Shrews are getting for him. I think fans in general especially the older generation are struggling to keep pace with and understand the inflation of prices in the market. Take Ipswich for example, selling Waghorn to Derby for £6,000,000. This a player who only last summer Ipswich bought for £250,000. I think he’s 28 as well, scoring 16 in 44 apps last season, moving for that kind of money! (Can only pray we have a high sell on % for Ellis). Ipswich have loads of £££ to play with. Just another reason we should’ve been looking for a much higher fee than £750,000.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 23:46:54 GMT
Why oh why are we so sh** every year without fail at signing players. And players of quality at that? Season after season we are left with the dregs that no one else wants and we turn to loan signings. FFS Rovers, be more f**king positive Lets see how tariq-holmes,rodman,matthews,widdrington and reilly get on before we come out with stupid childlike statements.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 23:48:08 GMT
The blame for all that’s happening now lies solely at the door or should it be flap of the fake sheikhs and charlatans that own us. I wouldn’t blame Darrell one bit if he called it a day after all he has done for our club Take your racist comments elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 23:59:08 GMT
Broadbent at 9 for sat play 442 we've got everything to gain! The reason I say this is because my daughter trains with the GFA and rather than the kids sticking to there preferred positions they expect a certain amount of differencial positional play . Example my daughter can play both wing back striker defensive midfield as well as the other kids doing like ways. Point being if kids can do this so can a professional football player. I believe we have done this before (Billy ocean) and others. In rovers hour of need it's well worth ago Why bother signing gavin reilly if your going to play a defender up front? Best to concentrate on turning broadbent into a better central defender. It wont happen anyway thank god.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 7, 2018 6:48:51 GMT
Broadbent at 9 for sat play 442 we've got everything to gain! The reason I say this is because my daughter trains with the GFA and rather than the kids sticking to there preferred positions they expect a certain amount of differencial positional play . Example my daughter can play both wing back striker defensive midfield as well as the other kids doing like ways. Point being if kids can do this so can a professional football player. I believe we have done this before (Billy ocean) and others. In rovers hour of need it's well worth ago Why bother signing gavin reilly if your going to play a defender up front? Best to concentrate on turning broadbent into a better central defender. It wont happen anyway thank god. Simple really we need a 6 foot plus CF, what's so hard for you to understand? I wonder how much we did get for Harrison, is it just convinent for the owners to say it was £750K by installments, as surely investment bankers wouldn't just give their best investment away for peanuts?
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Post by Langford Gas on Aug 7, 2018 6:49:28 GMT
Paul I agree ,but, with the benefit of some hindsight it might have been better to have matched the salary offered to Gaffney by Salford and kept him would probably have worked out cheaper ! than the alleged 150k fee offered for booko Gaffney wanted to leave so I doubt any offer would have persuaded him to stay. It must be great him knowing he's first choice CF at Salford Topper thats pretty much my point, with hindsight he would be first choice as things stand. if we could have matched the offer he couldn't refuse with what we intend to spend it would have been a cost saving. But, hindsight and all that
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 7, 2018 6:57:20 GMT
The fact is we are heading into our second game with the strong possibility of having only two recognised strikers neither of whom can really lead the attack and with DC seemingly in this crazy situation of having so many midfielders to fit in that he is very near a 4-5-1 formation. there is little doubt we have the talent but with a punchless attack and a soft belly defence there is only one way we are heading unless he gets his finger out. I very much hope the "months out" for the left back is wrong because if it is right then IMO it is a ridiculous gamble because with probably the shortest centre back pairing in the entire League 1 and 2 it is vital to keep out the crosses as was proved to our cost on Saturday where neither Leadbitter or James Clarke looked up to the task. So IMO we need 4 players in before Saturday and preferably a couple more permanents today to avoid another last minute rush. The reason I say they should be in today is a) we know what our club is like for disappointing and b) DC can then get down to working with the players. Hopefully the Mem will be a busy place today!!
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