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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 7, 2018 10:13:26 GMT
I guess instalments will explain the perceived low amount of the fee we are allocating for finding a replacement. DC may be given £250k now to spend and more later as the payments arrive, but we are not giving him all of the money upfront which restricts our target market. This may explain where the money has gone rather than assuming it has been taken as a cash windfall or to cover day to day operating costs. The simple answer to that is for DS to loan us the extra needed to buy, say, a 600k striker. The fact that they can't/won't top up the first payment to stay competitive with the cost of a decent striker at this level inspires no confidence in their ability or desire to take this club forward. Possibly. DC could go to Wael and suggest a little extra for Cole (or whoever) in advance of his Radio Bristol interview 😏
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 7, 2018 10:14:41 GMT
He's not advocating keeping a want-away player, but allowing an established Champ club to pay in installments for such a small transfer sum in the scheme of things is poor business. Going back to few years when I was in Business debt recovery for "A Bank", we had a few clubs on our books who were being "Managed" week by week through the bank. Installments for were normal for all sorts size of fee's/. One of the cubs had sold their best CB for £1million and were getting that in £50,000 installments each month for 20 months. The addons were lump sums once they were activated through - goals/apperances/promotion.
I would imagine that very few clubs pay cash upfront for any players these days.
That's ok if you don't intend spending the money. What happens when you want to liquidise the asset so you can replace what you've sold.
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Post by oldman on Aug 7, 2018 10:18:15 GMT
Guys I have supported Rovers for over 60 years,nothing changes.Find better things to do with your time and money.before it's to late.Wake up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 10:18:26 GMT
Going back to few years when I was in Business debt recovery for "A Bank", we had a few clubs on our books who were being "Managed" week by week through the bank. Installments for were normal for all sorts size of fee's/. One of the cubs had sold their best CB for £1million and were getting that in £50,000 installments each month for 20 months. The addons were lump sums once they were activated through - goals/apperances/promotion.
I would imagine that very few clubs pay cash upfront for any players these days.
That's ok if you don't intend spending the money. What happens when you want to liquidise the asset so you can replace what you've sold. Putting a player into a blender is a tad harsh just because he wants to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 10:18:34 GMT
Going back to few years when I was in Business debt recovery for "A Bank", we had a few clubs on our books who were being "Managed" week by week through the bank. Installments for were normal for all sorts size of fee's/. One of the cubs had sold their best CB for £1million and were getting that in £50,000 installments each month for 20 months. The addons were lump sums once they were activated through - goals/apperances/promotion.
I would imagine that very few clubs pay cash upfront for any players these days.
I do a similar thing as part of my role at work. I would also suggest that we may have more money by accepting instalments rather than say, £400k upfront. When you look at the sums other clubs are getting for players in a similar situation I would say that 750k should have been the discount for paying up front! We have practically given Ellis away, it isn't just his valuation as a player we have failed to accordingly price how his loss positions us for relegation. Mind you given the way we routinely sell our best players for less than market value I wonder whether the owners place any value on what league we play in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 10:19:07 GMT
Guys I have supported Rovers for over 60 years,nothing changes.Find better things to do with your time and money.before it's to late.Wake up. Thanks for that Nick.
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Post by simon1883 on Aug 7, 2018 10:23:27 GMT
Going back to few years when I was in Business debt recovery for "A Bank", we had a few clubs on our books who were being "Managed" week by week through the bank. Installments for were normal for all sorts size of fee's/. One of the cubs had sold their best CB for £1million and were getting that in £50,000 installments each month for 20 months. The addons were lump sums once they were activated through - goals/apperances/promotion.
I would imagine that very few clubs pay cash upfront for any players these days.
That's ok if you don't intend spending the money. What happens when you want to liquidise the asset so you can replace what you've sold. You offer the next team installments for their player I suppose.... Not sure really. Even with Ipswich getting loads of cash for selling Waghorn I bet thats in installments too......
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Post by dragonfly on Aug 7, 2018 10:25:35 GMT
Is there any evidence that we agreed a transfer fee of £750,000 for Ellis as the fee was undisclosed?
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Post by blueridge on Aug 7, 2018 10:38:45 GMT
The buck stops with DC - he has to take ultimate responsibility for the shambles we find ourselves in. He has known for weeks that we need a LB and a big CF - he has openly stated "its not rocket science what we need", to use his words. Between him and Widdrington they have failed - despite what he says he knows what he has to work with. He must also have known that we needed an experienced dominant CH after our defensive frailties were exposed last year. IMO we are also vunerable at RB - crosses are allowed to come in and they are not being dealt with - the whole back line, again IMO is weak.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 7, 2018 10:41:36 GMT
And don't leave it to one or two strikers. We need at least three or four to come in for discussions NOW not bloody Wednesday. We should put ourselves in the driving seat by making offers for say three or four and then pulling out of two instead of the other way around. DC is too slow with any transfer dealings- we have had 3 months for gods sake. be v ery interested to see what Wael has got to say on Saturday. Usual load of c--p I expect although we might be in for a shock because he actually texted GT to get on a show. I don't like how you predominantly aim this at Darrell. You really don't like him, do you?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 7, 2018 10:42:12 GMT
The buck stops with DC - he has to take ultimate responsibility for the shambles we find ourselves in. He has known for weeks that we need a LB and a big CF - he has openly stated "its not rocket science what we need", to use his words. Between him and Widdrington they have failed - despite what he says he knows what he has to work with. He must also have known that we needed an experienced dominant CH after our defensive frailties were exposed last year. IMO we are also vunerable at RB - crosses are allowed to come in and they are not being dealt with - the whole back line, again IMO is weak. The bloke doesn't even know what he's got to spend half the time. How are you supposed to plan and budget round that?
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 7, 2018 10:44:19 GMT
Agree with you Blueridge. Most managers get their business done early so they can prepare for the new season gelling in friendlies. Very few leave it till near the last days of deadline to get essential signings. Any signing made now should be just to touch up a squad or sign if an absolute bargain comes up.
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Post by baggins on Aug 7, 2018 10:52:35 GMT
Guys I have supported Rovers for over 60 years,nothing changes.Find better things to do with your time and money.before it's to late.Wake up. Too late for what?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 7, 2018 11:07:46 GMT
Agree with you Blueridge. Most managers get their business done early so they can prepare for the new season gelling in friendlies. Very few leave it till near the last days of deadline to get essential signings. Any signing made now should be just to touch up a squad or sign if an absolute bargain comes up. Most managers know what their budgets are before the last week of the window. DC has done well with what he has. You have to look a little further up to see the club is in a shambles. Late shirts. Late stands. Season tickets not available half the summer. Removing programme duties from an award winning programme producer. Having to remove a sponsor from our shirt. A training ground field going to seed. No ground news. Prices increased. Best players sold. We've sold tickets for areas of the ground we've not even built and had safety certs for!! How you can lay any of that at DCs door is ridiculous.
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Post by garystash on Aug 7, 2018 11:12:38 GMT
Agree with you Blueridge. Most managers get their business done early so they can prepare for the new season gelling in friendlies. Very few leave it till near the last days of deadline to get essential signings. Any signing made now should be just to touch up a squad or sign if an absolute bargain comes up. Most managers know what their budgets are before the last week of the window. DC has done well with what he has. You have to look a little further up to see the club is in a shambles. Late shirts. Late stands. Season tickets not available half the summer. Removing programme duties from an award winning programme producer. Having to remove a sponsor from our shirt. A training ground field going to seed. No ground news. Prices increased. Best players sold. We've sold tickets for areas of the ground we've not even built and had safety certs for!! How you can lay any of that at DCs door is ridiculous. Feck me this is all actual factual information. We are a massive shambles!
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Post by baggins on Aug 7, 2018 11:22:10 GMT
Agree with you Blueridge. Most managers get their business done early so they can prepare for the new season gelling in friendlies. Very few leave it till near the last days of deadline to get essential signings. Any signing made now should be just to touch up a squad or sign if an absolute bargain comes up. Most managers know what their budgets are before the last week of the window. DC has done well with what he has. You have to look a little further up to see the club is in a shambles. Late shirts. Late stands. Season tickets not available half the summer. Removing programme duties from an award winning programme producer. Having to remove a sponsor from our shirt. A training ground field going to seed. No ground news. Prices increased. Best players sold. We've sold tickets for areas of the ground we've not even built and had safety certs for!! How you can lay any of that at DCs door is ridiculous. I'm still going.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 11:25:21 GMT
Agree with you Blueridge. Most managers get their business done early so they can prepare for the new season gelling in friendlies. Very few leave it till near the last days of deadline to get essential signings. Any signing made now should be just to touch up a squad or sign if an absolute bargain comes up. Most managers know what their budgets are before the last week of the window. DC has done well with what he has. You have to look a little further up to see the club is in a shambles. Late shirts. Late stands. Season tickets not available half the summer. Removing programme duties from an award winning programme producer. Having to remove a sponsor from our shirt. A training ground field going to seed. No ground news. Prices increased. Best players sold. We've sold tickets for areas of the ground we've not even built and had safety certs for!! How you can lay any of that at DCs door is ridiculous. "Having to remove a sponsor from our shirt." - and having to return a six figure sum as well?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 7, 2018 11:28:57 GMT
Most managers know what their budgets are before the last week of the window. DC has done well with what he has. You have to look a little further up to see the club is in a shambles. Late shirts. Late stands. Season tickets not available half the summer. Removing programme duties from an award winning programme producer. Having to remove a sponsor from our shirt. A training ground field going to seed. No ground news. Prices increased. Best players sold. We've sold tickets for areas of the ground we've not even built and had safety certs for!! How you can lay any of that at DCs door is ridiculous. I'm still going. Me too mate.
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Post by blueridge on Aug 7, 2018 11:39:15 GMT
Agree with you Blueridge. Most managers get their business done early so they can prepare for the new season gelling in friendlies. Very few leave it till near the last days of deadline to get essential signings. Any signing made now should be just to touch up a squad or sign if an absolute bargain comes up. Most managers know what their budgets are before the last week of the window. DC has done well with what he has. You have to look a little further up to see the club is in a shambles. Late shirts. Late stands. Season tickets not available half the summer. Removing programme duties from an award winning programme producer. Having to remove a sponsor from our shirt. A training ground field going to seed. No ground news. Best players sold. We've sold tickets for areas of the ground we've not even built and had safety certs for!! How you can lay any of that at DCs door is ridiculous.Who's mentioned anything about those issues on this thread - this is all about the playing side of the club which DC is totally responsible for. I agree the rest is shambolic - was it really worse under Higgs - surprising as we're now supposed to be run by professional businessmen.
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Post by lpgas on Aug 7, 2018 11:42:11 GMT
It is funny that we have a new head of recruitment and that has been terrible (when it has come to the crunch of getting in a striker). We also took on a new defence coach and the six goals against exeter and posh ...Wow ha.... I have complete faith in the wonderful D.C. and his mates to sort out these problems. It's only recently that we have discoverdd that our central defenders can't clear the ball when it's in the air after all. And it was only in the last few weeks that we have come to the conclusion that Nicholls is crap, and Harrison has just left. So the need for a striker has only just cropped up. Don't panic man. Keep the faith. In D.C. we trust. UTG. Come on you Blues. So yu don't count the loss of Gaffney in your calculations?
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