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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 8:17:29 GMT
Shhhhhhhh Hugo. Don't bring up reality. Brexiteers don't like it. I watched Johnson's speech yesterday, ignoring history. Reality? What do you know about the reality of the old Irish Border? Do you really think that a hard border will bring a return to the bombs and killings? Regardless of what I think political leaders on both sides, Unionists and Nationalists in the North, the Government in Dublin, none of them want a hard border. All of them warning it's a direct threat to the Good Friday Agreement. So, that's a reality.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 8:54:57 GMT
I don't see what the problem is with a hard border. Yeah, they've had one in Ireland before and it was no bother at all. The bother caused as you call it was down to the IRA terrorists pure and simple. It only stopped when the British Government got blood on their hands and let them rule Ireland. Murdering terrorists ruling their country and being welcomed into parliament and Buckingham palace as ‘peace makers’. Murdering, torturing scum of the highest order. f**k em.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 9:07:35 GMT
Yeah, they've had one in Ireland before and it was no bother at all. The bother caused as you call it was down to the IRA terrorists pure and simple. It only stopped when the British Government got blood on their hands and let them rule Ireland. Murdering terrorists ruling their country and being welcomed into parliament and Buckingham palace as ‘peace makers’. Murdering, torturing scum of the highest order. f**k em. Ah, the reasoned argument of the Nationalist Right. How would you define the actions of the British Army in Croke Park?
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 3, 2018 9:39:22 GMT
I haven't posted for a while, have I missed anything?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 9:45:26 GMT
The bother caused as you call it was down to the IRA terrorists pure and simple. It only stopped when the British Government got blood on their hands and let them rule Ireland. Murdering terrorists ruling their country and being welcomed into parliament and Buckingham palace as ‘peace makers’. Murdering, torturing scum of the highest order. f**k em. Ah, the reasoned argument of the Nationalist Right. How would you define the actions of the British Army in Croke Park? <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.159999999999968px; height: 6.759999999999991px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_6141440" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 755px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_16032832" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 275px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_36783831" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 755px; top: 275px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1633476" scrolling="no"></iframe> oh dear, you're not harping on about Croke Park 1920. It wasn't the British Army. You also have to look at that day in total and the fourteen murders in the morning by the IRA that led up to the later events. Nowadays you can watch Taylor Swift play at Croke Park. Times move on. It's about time some others did as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 9:59:52 GMT
Ah, the reasoned argument of the Nationalist Right. How would you define the actions of the British Army in Croke Park? <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.159999999999968px; height: 6.759999999999991px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_6141440" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 755px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_16032832" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 275px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_36783831" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 755px; top: 275px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1633476" scrolling="no"></iframe> oh dear, you're not harping on about Croke Park 1920. It wasn't the British Army. You also have to look at that day in total and the fourteen murders in the morning by the IRA that led up to the later events. Nowadays you can watch Taylor Swift play at Croke Park. Times move on. It's about time some others did as well. Yes I know. But I was responding to Quantocks standard response to the Irish issue. Thankfully we are at peace, neither "side" wants any disruption to that peace and all sides do not want a hard border dividing Northern Ireland and Eire. About 50% of us, at least, don't want a hard border between the UK and ANY of the countries in the EU. Nor do the Japanese. Nor the vast majority of companies who have invested 100s of billions of their own money in the UK.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 3, 2018 10:33:45 GMT
Yeah, they've had one in Ireland before and it was no bother at all. The bother caused as you call it was down to the IRA terrorists pure and simple. It only stopped when the British Government got blood on their hands and let them rule Ireland. Murdering terrorists ruling their country and being welcomed into parliament and Buckingham palace as ‘peace makers’. Murdering, torturing scum of the highest order. f**k em. I didn't take any political stance, only raised the issue that there is a very recent history of problems with a hard boarder. How anyone can think a hard boarder is a good idea is ignoring this problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 10:40:34 GMT
The bother caused as you call it was down to the IRA terrorists pure and simple. It only stopped when the British Government got blood on their hands and let them rule Ireland. Murdering terrorists ruling their country and being welcomed into parliament and Buckingham palace as ‘peace makers’. Murdering, torturing scum of the highest order. f**k em. I didn't take any political stance, only raised the issue that there is a very recent history of problems with a hard boarder. How anyone can think a hard boarder is a good idea is ignoring this problem. Hugo Hard Boarders' are unique to the Etonian / Oxbridge elite fronting Brexit. The border, hard or otherwise, between Northern Ireland and Eire is an entirely seperate issue. Unless of course you live in the Quantock Hills or dabble in computer technology.😎🤤
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 10:49:39 GMT
The bother caused as you call it was down to the IRA terrorists pure and simple. It only stopped when the British Government got blood on their hands and let them rule Ireland. Murdering terrorists ruling their country and being welcomed into parliament and Buckingham palace as ‘peace makers’. Murdering, torturing scum of the highest order. f**k em. I didn't take any political stance, only raised the issue that there is a very recent history of problems with a hard boarder. How anyone can think a hard boarder is a good idea is ignoring this problem. I thought that was all but eradicated by the IRA heroes who brought peace to and united ireland. I personally am in favour of a very soft border, as wanted by the EU, which would be in the Irish Sea!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 3, 2018 10:52:56 GMT
I didn't take any political stance, only raised the issue that there is a very recent history of problems with a hard boarder. How anyone can think a hard boarder is a good idea is ignoring this problem. I thought that was all but eradicated by the IRA heroes who brought peace to and united ireland. I personally am in favour of a very soft border, as wanted by the EU, which would be in the Irish Sea! Not my idea of heroes, but each to their own I guess.
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Post by baggins on Oct 3, 2018 10:54:56 GMT
I didn't take any political stance, only raised the issue that there is a very recent history of problems with a hard boarder. How anyone can think a hard boarder is a good idea is ignoring this problem. I thought that was all but eradicated by the IRA heroes who brought peace to and united ireland. I personally am in favour of a very soft border, as wanted by the EU, which would be in the Irish Sea! IRA heroes?
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 3, 2018 10:55:45 GMT
The bother caused as you call it was down to the IRA terrorists pure and simple. It only stopped when the British Government got blood on their hands and let them rule Ireland. Murdering terrorists ruling their country and being welcomed into parliament and Buckingham palace as ‘peace makers’. Murdering, torturing scum of the highest order. f**k em. I didn't take any political stance, only raised the issue that there is a very recent history of problems with a hard boarder. How anyone can think a hard boarder is a good idea is ignoring this problem. I think the hard border meaning a resumption of the Troubles is a bit misleading (incidentally Quantocks, I very much disagree with your interpretation of events) but it being a totem for those with a different agenda and a focal point for resentment. Wherever a hard border would be it is likely to lead to a quicker plebiscite for Irish unification than mere demographics would and no British Prime Minister would want to be the modern day Lord North.
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Post by baggins on Oct 3, 2018 10:57:05 GMT
I haven't posted for a while, have I missed anything? Loads.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 3, 2018 10:57:39 GMT
I thought that was all but eradicated by the IRA heroes who brought peace to and united ireland. I personally am in favour of a very soft border, as wanted by the EU, which would be in the Irish Sea! Not my idea of heroes, but each to their own I guess. I read that as sarcasm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 10:59:18 GMT
I didn't take any political stance, only raised the issue that there is a very recent history of problems with a hard boarder. How anyone can think a hard boarder is a good idea is ignoring this problem. Hugo Hard Boarders' are unique to the Etonian / Oxbridge elite fronting Brexit. The border, hard or otherwise, between Northern Ireland and Eire is an entirely seperate issue. Unless of course you live in the Quantock Hills or dabble in computer technology.😎🤤 I’m one of the lucky ones Oldie, I am relatively free from the rabble and riff raff you associate with.😉
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 11:02:06 GMT
I thought that was all but eradicated by the IRA heroes who brought peace to and united ireland. I personally am in favour of a very soft border, as wanted by the EU, which would be in the Irish Sea! Not my idea of heroes, but each to their own I guess. I didn’t direct that at you, it was a general statement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 11:04:32 GMT
<iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.159999999999968px; height: 6.759999999999991px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_6141440" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 755px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_16032832" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 275px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_36783831" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 755px; top: 275px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1633476" scrolling="no"></iframe> oh dear, you're not harping on about Croke Park 1920. It wasn't the British Army. You also have to look at that day in total and the fourteen murders in the morning by the IRA that led up to the later events. Nowadays you can watch Taylor Swift play at Croke Park. Times move on. It's about time some others did as well. Yes I know. But I was responding to Quantocks standard response to the Irish issue. Thankfully we are at peace, neither "side" wants any disruption to that peace and all sides do not want a hard border dividing Northern Ireland and Eire. About 50% of us, at least, don't want a hard border between the UK and ANY of the countries in the EU. Nor do the Japanese. Nor the vast majority of companies who have invested 100s of billions of their own money in the UK. Haha. So i detest murdering terrorists, you don’t. Good on you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 11:34:28 GMT
Yes I know. But I was responding to Quantocks standard response to the Irish issue. Thankfully we are at peace, neither "side" wants any disruption to that peace and all sides do not want a hard border dividing Northern Ireland and Eire. About 50% of us, at least, don't want a hard border between the UK and ANY of the countries in the EU. Nor do the Japanese. Nor the vast majority of companies who have invested 100s of billions of their own money in the UK. Haha. So i detest murdering terrorists, you don’t. Good on you. I value peace & prosperity. I also understand that if you do not understand history you cannot accurately define the present. But you know, lazy pseudo nationalism is the standard refuge for the insecure
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 3, 2018 11:36:41 GMT
Yes I know. But I was responding to Quantocks standard response to the Irish issue. Thankfully we are at peace, neither "side" wants any disruption to that peace and all sides do not want a hard border dividing Northern Ireland and Eire. About 50% of us, at least, don't want a hard border between the UK and ANY of the countries in the EU. Nor do the Japanese. Nor the vast majority of companies who have invested 100s of billions of their own money in the UK. Haha. So i detest murdering terrorists, you don’t. Good on you. The difficulty sometimes is when you can understand or even agree with an argument but cannot support one groups methods or "solutions" to them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 11:40:35 GMT
May today as leader delivering her speech
Once again, a morally and intellectually bankrupt government resorts to petty nationalism. Led by a lunatic who enters the stage to her party conference trying to emulate Peter Crouch to the tune of Dancing Queen.
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