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Post by LJG on Nov 16, 2018 7:48:20 GMT
It’s been 383 days since Nichols last scored a league goal and he’s been in the starting eleven plenty during that time. As much as I thought he did well on Sunday, you can’t justify starting a striker with that kind of record. So can say hand on your heart your heart you watched Rovers performances at Blackpool and Barnet, as I don't think you did if you are prepared to critise Nichols. Why do you keep telling people they haven't watched games? It's possible for people to watch the same games as you and still want the players who actually score goals to play. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 16, 2018 8:53:58 GMT
But you are saying DC can't justify starting him if he doesn't score, which ignores the fact he's had 3 assists in his last two games. If he managed a 4th or more on Saturday why would you DC him for the following game if he doesn't score again.
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Post by blueridge on Nov 16, 2018 9:17:08 GMT
I think I can safely say this is the worst collective set of 'strikers' ever assembled at BRFC.
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Post by LJG on Nov 16, 2018 9:25:05 GMT
But you are saying DC can't justify starting him if he doesn't score, which ignores the fact he's had 3 assists in his last two games. If he managed a 4th or more on Saturday why would you DC him for the following game if he doesn't score again. I'm saying he has had 60 opportunities to score two goals. Reilly, Payne and Jakubiak put together have not had that number of opportunities but have individually all scored either as many or at least half as many goals. Saying any of those three don't look up to it in comparison to Nicholls is ridiculous on that very basis. If those three blank for the next 54 weeks then fair enough I'll agree. Give another pair 60 appearances and see if their goal tallies are as bad as Tom's. That's already impossible for Payne and Jakubiak. Your logic doesn't make sense - persevere with a player who hasn't performed for 60 matches because the other players who've played less than a tenth of the minutes he has for Rovers haven't shone yet. |
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Post by completewingback on Nov 16, 2018 9:44:19 GMT
What's strange is that all 4 strikers scored a reasonable amount of goals at their previous club prior to joining us. Why are they struggling so much at the moment for us? For me it's lack of confidence. The longer a striker goes without scoring, it becomes a "thing" for them to sort out, and the natural scoring instinct goes out the window. I think we're in the unfortunate position where all our strikers as a strikeforce are suffering from this, simultaneously. Lack of good wingers and creativity in midfield often does that to strikers. |
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Post by Blackbeard on Nov 16, 2018 11:22:58 GMT
Cannot believe Nichols is voted the best striker tbh
I don't want to kick the lad but he is only the best currently at scoring 2 goals in 55 games
Pointless poll and thread
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Post by Fetch on Nov 16, 2018 12:15:09 GMT
Lot's of people rubbishing Nichols as our best striker, let me rephrase OP's question:
Which of those four strikers looks most likely to score a goal in the next game?
Payne - other than his goal against Accrington which was on-a-plate from the cross, has he had a clear cut chance? Has he looked like scoring? He does very little over 90 minutes.
Jakubiak - got himself through on goal vs Burton, other than that I can't think of any time off the top of my head that he's got himself into a dangerous position or got close to getting on the end of something. Hasn't got much of a presence either.
Reilly - Scored a good goal vs Coventry, and has come close on numerous occasions (Barnsley away, Peterborough away), not really had many starts in his defence. He's got good energy but not a great deal of quality.
Now, for me, Nichols whilst he doesn't score, and he should definitely be doing better with his finishing, he does far more than all three of those. He drops deep and tries to create, as well as gets into the box and tries to get shots away or draw fouls. He's had more chances to score than the other three combined, which says a lot about his movement/influence as much as it does about his finishing. He's our best striker, in my opinion.
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Post by LJG on Nov 16, 2018 12:27:29 GMT
Lot's of people rubbishing Nichols as our best striker, let me rephrase OP's question: Which of those four strikers looks most likely to score a goal in the next game? Payne - other than his goal against Accrington which was on-a-plate from the cross, has he had a clear cut chance? Has he looked like scoring? He does very little over 90 minutes. Jakubiak - got himself through on goal vs Burton, other than that I can't think of any time off the top of my head that he's got himself into a dangerous position or got close to getting on the end of something. Hasn't got much of a presence either. Reilly - Scored a good goal vs Coventry, and has come close on numerous occasions (Barnsley away, Peterborough away), not really had many starts in his defence. He's got good energy but not a great deal of quality. Now, for me, Nichols whilst he doesn't score, and he should definitely be doing better with his finishing, he does far more than all three of those. He drops deep and tries to create, as well as gets into the box and tries to get shots away or draw fouls. He's had more chances to score than the other three combined, which says a lot about his movement/influence as much as it does about his finishing. He's our best striker, in my opinion. That is just bizarre and unfathomable logic. He looks more likely to score than players who have actually scored - how does that work? Did you look away, put your fingers in your ears and go "LALALALALALA" when the others put theirs in the net? You've also ignored the fact Jakubiak has scored two in League cup games. So saying he hasn't looked any more dangerous than getting through on goal once is just an outright lie. And he's had more chances than the other three combined because he's made 27 more appearances than the other three put together- Nicholls 60, Payne 16, Jak 14, Reilly 13. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 13:09:00 GMT
Pakistani motorbike.LJG,instead of hammering anyone who backs TN,why don't you give us your choice and the reasons why? It's 'who who do you think is currently the best striker at the club' by the way,not who has scored or is most likely to score the most goals.TN is currently the best option up front we have imo,counter please with positivity about any of the other 3 in this poll.
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Post by LJG on Nov 16, 2018 13:30:05 GMT
Pakistani motorbike.LJG,instead of hammering anyone who backs TN,why don't you give us your choice and the reasons why? It's 'who who do you think is currently the best striker at the club' by the way, not who has scored or is most likely to score the most goals.TN is currently the best option up front we have imo,counter please with positivity about any of the other 3 in this poll. Not sure what you mean by the first two words? Surely the bit in bold is the definition of the best striker? Are you saying it's possible Ricky Lambert or Jason Roberts weren't the best strikers just because they were the top scorers? In my opinion it's clear that a new partnership needs a chance to evolve either Payne and Jakubiak or Payne and Reilly. If after 60 games they prove as fruitless as TN has we'll know I'm wrong. |
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Post by GasAttacK on Nov 16, 2018 13:43:43 GMT
Lot's of people rubbishing Nichols as our best striker, let me rephrase OP's question: Which of those four strikers looks most likely to score a goal in the next game? Payne - other than his goal against Accrington which was on-a-plate from the cross, has he had a clear cut chance? Has he looked like scoring? He does very little over 90 minutes. Jakubiak - got himself through on goal vs Burton, other than that I can't think of any time off the top of my head that he's got himself into a dangerous position or got close to getting on the end of something. Hasn't got much of a presence either. Reilly - Scored a good goal vs Coventry, and has come close on numerous occasions (Barnsley away, Peterborough away), not really had many starts in his defence. He's got good energy but not a great deal of quality. Now, for me, Nichols whilst he doesn't score, and he should definitely be doing better with his finishing, he does far more than all three of those. He drops deep and tries to create, as well as gets into the box and tries to get shots away or draw fouls. He's had more chances to score than the other three combined, which says a lot about his movement/influence as much as it does about his finishing. He's our best striker, in my opinion. Exactly right.
The people rubbishing Nichols are doing so solely based on goals. However, in my opinion none of our other strikers look any more like scoring than Nichols, probably less so. Just because they've managed to score 1 or 2 goals doesn't make them a better striker. On that basis Craig and Lockyer are better than all our strikers. Sometimes a goal can just be down to luck, whereas you've either got the attributes and ability to be a good footballer or you haven't.
Payne's got 1 goal from open play in 17 appearances. Reilly's got 1 goal from 13 appearances. Jakubiak's got 2 goals from 14 appearances and both were against weak oppostion in the Checkatrade.
For me that's no where near enough goals when they offer absolutely nothing else to the team. Half the crowd at the Mem could be lucky enough to score 1 goal given the chance. To be considered a goal scorer you have to be scoring 15+ and I don't think anyone truly believes we have a striker capable of that.
Nichols has been one of our best all round players this season and contributed towards more goals than all the other strikers put together. What we need is a decent goal scorer to play alongside him in my opinion.
I don't agree but I understand the argument that based on 1 or 2 goals Payne, Reilly and Jakubiak are more likely to score than Nichols. However, the team are far more likely to score with Nichols in it because his all round game is streets ahead of the other 3.
I'm not sure whether this poll shows how much Tom is rated as a player despite his lack or goals or just how poor the majority think our other strikers are. Probably the latter but a bit of both maybe.
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Post by LJG on Nov 16, 2018 13:51:35 GMT
Lot's of people rubbishing Nichols as our best striker, let me rephrase OP's question: Which of those four strikers looks most likely to score a goal in the next game? Payne - other than his goal against Accrington which was on-a-plate from the cross, has he had a clear cut chance? Has he looked like scoring? He does very little over 90 minutes. Jakubiak - got himself through on goal vs Burton, other than that I can't think of any time off the top of my head that he's got himself into a dangerous position or got close to getting on the end of something. Hasn't got much of a presence either. Reilly - Scored a good goal vs Coventry, and has come close on numerous occasions (Barnsley away, Peterborough away), not really had many starts in his defence. He's got good energy but not a great deal of quality. Now, for me, Nichols whilst he doesn't score, and he should definitely be doing better with his finishing, he does far more than all three of those. He drops deep and tries to create, as well as gets into the box and tries to get shots away or draw fouls. He's had more chances to score than the other three combined, which says a lot about his movement/influence as much as it does about his finishing. He's our best striker, in my opinion. Exactly right.
The people rubbishing Nichols are doing so solely based on goals. However, in my opinion none of our other strikers look any more like scoring than Nichols, probably less so. Just because they've managed to score 1 or 2 goals doesn't make them a better striker. On that basis Craig and Lockyer are better than all our strikers. Sometimes a goal can just be down to luck, whereas you've either got the attributes and ability to be a good footballer or you haven't.
Payne's got 1 goal from open play in 17 appearances. Reilly's got 1 goal from 13 appearances. Jakubiak's got 2 goals from 14 appearances and both were against weak oppostion in the Checkatrade.
For me that's no where near enough goals when they offer absolutely nothing else to the team. Half the crowd at the Mem could be lucky enough to score 1 goal given the chance. To be considered a goal scorer you have to be scoring 15+ and I don't think anyone truly believes we have a striker capable of that.
Nichols has been one of our best all round players this season and contributed towards more goals than all the other strikers put together. What we need is a decent goal scorer to play alongside him in my opinion.
I don't agree but I understand the argument that based on 1 or 2 goals Payne, Reilly and Jakubiak are more likely to score than Nichols. However, the team are far more likely to score with Nichols in it because his all round game is streets ahead of the other 3.
I'm not sure whether this poll shows how much Tom is rated as a player despite his lack or goals or just how poor the majority think our other strikers are. Probably the latter but a bit of both maybe.
Well if it's so easy to score one or two goals why the f**k hasn't our glorious talismanic striker done so for a year? |
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Post by completewingback on Nov 16, 2018 15:24:12 GMT
Exactly right.
The people rubbishing Nichols are doing so solely based on goals. However, in my opinion none of our other strikers look any more like scoring than Nichols, probably less so. Just because they've managed to score 1 or 2 goals doesn't make them a better striker. On that basis Craig and Lockyer are better than all our strikers. Sometimes a goal can just be down to luck, whereas you've either got the attributes and ability to be a good footballer or you haven't.
Payne's got 1 goal from open play in 17 appearances. Reilly's got 1 goal from 13 appearances. Jakubiak's got 2 goals from 14 appearances and both were against weak oppostion in the Checkatrade.
For me that's no where near enough goals when they offer absolutely nothing else to the team. Half the crowd at the Mem could be lucky enough to score 1 goal given the chance. To be considered a goal scorer you have to be scoring 15+ and I don't think anyone truly believes we have a striker capable of that.
Nichols has been one of our best all round players this season and contributed towards more goals than all the other strikers put together. What we need is a decent goal scorer to play alongside him in my opinion.
I don't agree but I understand the argument that based on 1 or 2 goals Payne, Reilly and Jakubiak are more likely to score than Nichols. However, the team are far more likely to score with Nichols in it because his all round game is streets ahead of the other 3.
I'm not sure whether this poll shows how much Tom is rated as a player despite his lack or goals or just how poor the majority think our other strikers are. Probably the latter but a bit of both maybe.
Well if it's so easy to score one or two goals why the f**k hasn't our glorious talismanic striker done so for a year? Midfield has been sh**e for at least 2 years now in terms of creativity. We've had only Lines and nothing more |
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Post by LJG on Nov 16, 2018 15:27:44 GMT
Well if it's so easy to score one or two goals why the f**k hasn't our glorious talismanic striker done so for a year? Midfield has been sh**e for at least 2 years now in terms of creativity. We've had only Lines and nothing more Ok fine but that doesn't change the fact Payne, Reilly and Jak have all done it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 15:57:17 GMT
Pakistani motorbike.LJG,instead of hammering anyone who backs TN,why don't you give us your choice and the reasons why? It's 'who who do you think is currently the best striker at the club' by the way, not who has scored or is most likely to score the most goals.TN is currently the best option up front we have imo,counter please with positivity about any of the other 3 in this poll. Not sure what you mean by the first two words? Surely the bit in bold is the definition of the best striker? Are you saying it's possible Ricky Lambert or Jason Roberts weren't the best strikers just because they were the top scorers? In my opinion it's clear that a new partnership needs a chance to evolve either Payne and Jakubiak or Payne and Reilly. If after 60 games they prove as fruitless as TN has we'll know I'm wrong. An in joke,forget it. wasnt Richard Walker our top scorer in the promotion season,so he was the best striker then? I agree with giving a partnership time to evolve,DC seems to have no confidence in giving Jakubiak or Reilly much of an opportunity so by default Nichols and Payne have been and will continue to be selected when we play a front two.I would have Nichols and a.n.other at the moment but it's all about opinions and I find this an interesting debate.I would also like to see Moore given a go but that seems even less likely right now. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 16, 2018 16:16:01 GMT
Not sure what you mean by the first two words? Surely the bit in bold is the definition of the best striker? Are you saying it's possible Ricky Lambert or Jason Roberts weren't the best strikers just because they were the top scorers? In my opinion it's clear that a new partnership needs a chance to evolve either Payne and Jakubiak or Payne and Reilly. If after 60 games they prove as fruitless as TN has we'll know I'm wrong. An in joke,forget it. wasnt Richard Walker our top scorer in the promotion season,so he was the best striker then? I agree with giving a partnership time to evolve,DC seems to have no confidence in giving Jakubiak or Reilly much of an opportunity so by default Nichols and Payne have been and will continue to be selected when we play a front two.I would have Nichols and a.n.other at the moment but it's all about opinions and I find this an interesting debate.I would also like to see Moore given a go but that seems even less likely right now. Moore has just gone out on loan to Bath! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 17:49:42 GMT
Midfield has been sh**e for at least 2 years now in terms of creativity. We've had only Lines and nothing more Ok fine but that doesn't change the fact Payne, Reilly and Jak have all done it. I love how you slam Nichols at the first opportunity yet talk about the others like they are lethal. Recently, we look better with Nichols in the team than without, whether he’s scoring or not, if we play better with him in the team then he should start. |
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Post by LJG on Nov 16, 2018 18:25:36 GMT
Ok fine but that doesn't change the fact Payne, Reilly and Jak have all done it. I love how you slam Nichols at the first opportunity yet talk about the others like they are lethal. Recently, we look better with Nichols in the team than without, whether he’s scoring or not, if we play better with him in the team then he should start. Statistics are pretty firmly on my side ... and they will be for the next 60 games at least. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 16, 2018 18:34:06 GMT
Ok fine but that doesn't change the fact Payne, Reilly and Jak have all done it. I love how you slam Nichols at the first opportunity yet talk about the others like they are lethal. Recently, we look better with Nichols in the team than without, whether he’s scoring or not, if we play better with him in the team then he should start. Not according to LJG's logic! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 19:02:01 GMT
An in joke,forget it. wasnt Richard Walker our top scorer in the promotion season,so he was the best striker then? I agree with giving a partnership time to evolve,DC seems to have no confidence in giving Jakubiak or Reilly much of an opportunity so by default Nichols and Payne have been and will continue to be selected when we play a front two.I would have Nichols and a.n.other at the moment but it's all about opinions and I find this an interesting debate.I would also like to see Moore given a go but that seems even less likely right now. Moore has just gone out on loan to Bath! Ha typical! Let's up he smashes it and forces DC's hand. |
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