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Post by baggins on Jan 3, 2019 13:20:06 GMT
There is a massive difference in talking about dirty Somali scumbags squirting out muslims and talking about how better to integrate different groups into society!! I've said it many times before, SOME of the issues raised may well be true, relevant or at least worth discussing but not with right wing racists and not with looney left wing snowflakes.Neither add anything to the debate. That's you out of this debate Baggins ! Was I ever in? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 13:31:45 GMT
That's you out of this debate Baggins ! Was I ever in? Of course you were. We all value your input. Now, be a dear and go and pop the kettle on. I take two sugars in my tea thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 13:39:48 GMT
Me personally?
Met and married an Iranian girl and moved to Iran, Tehran to be exact
We were young and completely skint.
We lived with her family. Her father was a deeply religious man but not a Muslim. Her mother was a Muslim but not particularly religious.
I was made more than welcome, her father even bought me a case of beer.
I never experienced any prejudice at all in the 4 years I lived there, the opposite really. Especially once I learned to speak Farsi. The local shop even held back a case of beer for me during periods of shortages.
My only negative experience was when my son was born. As a sign of things to come the local authority refused to register his birth as we did not have a Muslim marriage certificate. I took great delight in undertaking a "pretend" conversion to Islam, marrying my wife for 3rd time (she was never a muslim), registering his birth, and muttering "f**k you" to the authorities.
I felt it a privilege though, to have been able to have experienced 4 great years in that country and its people.
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Post by baggins on Jan 3, 2019 13:44:06 GMT
Of course you were. We all value your input. Now, be a dear and go and pop the kettle on. I take two sugars in my tea thanks. Kettle? Lost. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 3, 2019 16:38:39 GMT
Of course you were. We all value your input. Now, be a dear and go and pop the kettle on. I take two sugars in my tea thanks. Kettle? Lost. That thing you use for your fine dining. Pot noodles don't make themselves. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 3, 2019 17:25:10 GMT
That thing you use for your fine dining. Pot noodles don't make themselves. yet interestingly they do evacuate themselves |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 18:55:50 GMT
Ha ha ha. Britain's being flooded with 12 whole refugees – and the people fleeing oppressive regimes think they're the ones in crisis? flip.it/JSIpzt |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 20:42:02 GMT
Ha ha ha. Britain's being flooded with 12 whole refugees – and the people fleeing oppressive regimes think they're the ones in crisis? flip.it/JSIpztNo, not refugees but illegal migrants. It's about time you noticed the difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 20:44:18 GMT
Ha ha ha. Britain's being flooded with 12 whole refugees – and the people fleeing oppressive regimes think they're the ones in crisis? flip.it/JSIpztNo, not refugees but illegal migrants. It's about time you noticed the difference. The article is very tongue in cheek and basically taking the water. water out if our collective decent into absurdity. |
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Post by jaggas on Jan 4, 2019 19:47:03 GMT
OMG.. oldie who goes out of his way to defend Islam compares Islamic terrorism,sharia courts, sharia patrols,FGM,raging homophobia,ritually slaughtered meat,sexism,racist underage rape attacks,racist grooming gangs, murder,misogyny and honour killings to events that happened in 1945 or have happened in Catholic communities by priests in a desperate pathetic attempt to excuse Muslims for being part of a vile backward demonic cult that results in misery and violence wherever the cult has reared its ugly head. You are a disgrace Oldie as is anyone else who uses Christianity to defend brutal barbarism within islam.... Extreme Islam is a problem and something that should be confronted and not accepted in this country but I personally don't agree that the way to do it is to use extreme language and hold extreme views which is what you constantly espouse. Sexism, child abuse, rape, homophobia and animal rights are not exclusively Muslim issues. The portrayal of Islam as a backwards demonic cult is rather childish, stupid and unhelpful. Extreme Islam and so called moderate Islam are not separate they are one of the same as every aspect of the ideology is extreme.....The majority of Muslims maybe moderate but sadly it is the radicals that force the agenda.The moderates are irrelevant as history has shown us all over the world. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 4, 2019 20:31:59 GMT
Extreme Islam is a problem and something that should be confronted and not accepted in this country but I personally don't agree that the way to do it is to use extreme language and hold extreme views which is what you constantly espouse. Sexism, child abuse, rape, homophobia and animal rights are not exclusively Muslim issues. The portrayal of Islam as a backwards demonic cult is rather childish, stupid and unhelpful. Extreme Brexit and so called moderate Brexit are not separate they are one of the same as every aspect of the ideology is extreme.....The majority of Brexiteers maybe moderate but sadly it is the radicals that force the agenda.The moderates are irrelevant as history has shown us all over the world. Ah yes, I see now 😑 |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 4, 2019 20:45:25 GMT
Extreme Islam is a problem and something that should be confronted and not accepted in this country but I personally don't agree that the way to do it is to use extreme language and hold extreme views which is what you constantly espouse. Sexism, child abuse, rape, homophobia and animal rights are not exclusively Muslim issues. The portrayal of Islam as a backwards demonic cult is rather childish, stupid and unhelpful. Extreme Islam and so called moderate Islam are not separate they are one of the same as every aspect of the ideology is extreme.....The majority of Muslims maybe moderate but sadly it is the radicals that force the agenda.The moderates are irrelevant as history has shown us all over the world. Then surely the answer lies in working with moderates and rejecting extremists on both sides. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 4, 2019 21:11:11 GMT
I dont know why you guys put up with this and actually there's something to be said in that it is actually facilitating his own little hate platform and dignifying an idology that is best written on a wall in sh**. It's a waste of time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 21:15:10 GMT
I dont know why you guys put up with this and actually there's something to be said in that it is actually facilitating his own little hate platform and dignifying an idology that is best written on a wall in sh**. It's a waste of time. You are quite right my friend. I am guilty as charged. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 4, 2019 21:16:22 GMT
I dont know why you guys put up with this and actually there's something to be said in that it is actually facilitating his own little hate platform and dignifying an idology that is best written on a wall in sh**. It's a waste of time. Because this section has never been moderated, and besides, it's always better to engage and challenge than attempt to stifle and silence. That's half the problem we have in this country now. Language and thoughts are being stamped down by left wing lunatics who are sh** scared of having their feelings hurt. I'm no fan of Jaggas, but I would absolutely defend his right to be as backwards and idiotic in his free speech as he likes. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 4, 2019 21:25:16 GMT
I dont know why you guys put up with this and actually there's something to be said in that it is actually facilitating his own little hate platform and dignifying an idology that is best written on a wall in sh**. It's a waste of time. Because this section has never been moderated, and besides, it's always better to engage and challenge than attempt to stifle and silence. That's half the problem we have in this country now. Language and thoughts are being stamped down by left wing lunatics who are sh** scared of having their feelings hurt. I'm no fan of Jaggas, but I would absolutely defend his right to be as backwards and idiotic in his free speech as he likes. Im quite aware that this section has never been moderated as you know. But I wasn't talking about moderating it anyway nor was I suggesting silencing him (!). I was saying that he can voice his opinions as long as he likes akin to the bloke in the street with everyone walking on by past ignoring him. You guys are the ones toying with him and giving him his platform. Is that right or wrong? No idea. Fair enough if you think challenging it is the way to go and go you for being principled enough to say you would fight for his right to say these things because I sure as sh** wouldn't. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 4, 2019 21:28:24 GMT
Because this section has never been moderated, and besides, it's always better to engage and challenge than attempt to stifle and silence. That's half the problem we have in this country now. Language and thoughts are being stamped down by left wing lunatics who are sh** scared of having their feelings hurt. I'm no fan of Jaggas, but I would absolutely defend his right to be as backwards and idiotic in his free speech as he likes. Im quite aware that this section has never been moderated as you know. But I wasn't talking about moderating it anyway nor was I suggesting silencing him (!). I was saying that he can voice his opinions as long as he likes akin to the bloke in the street with everyone walking on by past ignoring him. You guys are the ones toying with him and giving him his platform. Is that right or wrong? No idea. Fair enough if you think challenging it is the way to go and go you for being principled enough to say you would fight for his right to say these things because I sure as sh** wouldn't. Yeah, you may be right mate. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 4, 2019 22:26:12 GMT
I dont know why you guys put up with this and actually there's something to be said in that it is actually facilitating his own little hate platform and dignifying an idology that is best written on a wall in sh**. It's a waste of time. Good point, we are probably wasting too much time and energy. The reason I engage as much as I do isn't to convince him he is wrong but to prevent the casual observer thinking that he is right. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 4, 2019 22:35:25 GMT
I dont know why you guys put up with this and actually there's something to be said in that it is actually facilitating his own little hate platform and dignifying an idology that is best written on a wall in sh**. It's a waste of time. Good point, we are probably wasting too much time and energy. The reason I engage as much as I do isn't to convince him he is wrong but to prevent the casual observer thinking that he is right. Yes and I guess all I'm asking is whether the casual observer is more likely to be swayed where you provide a platform for elaboration or otherwise where a single person is spouting poison, on their own, in the dark. Perhaps a better question is whether the service you provide is such that keeping him on gaschat keeps him unorganized? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 4, 2019 22:51:35 GMT
Good point, we are probably wasting too much time and energy. The reason I engage as much as I do isn't to convince him he is wrong but to prevent the casual observer thinking that he is right. Yes and I guess all I'm asking is whether the casual observer is more likely to be swayed where you provide a platform for elaboration or otherwise where a single person is spouting poison, on their own, in the dark. Perhaps a better question is whether the service you provide is such that keeping him on gaschat keeps him unorganized? I engaged with him in 2016 but had it thrown back at me so I ignored him for a while. Then I noticed his recent postings were getting more extreme, incorrect and vitriolic, so chose to challenge him. I've offered to debate rationally. Maybe it is time to go back to Plan B. |
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