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Post by spiess1 on Apr 12, 2019 14:20:13 GMT
Not gonna correct 'Plumber' as well, then?
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Post by Hudson1883 on Apr 12, 2019 14:49:29 GMT
Newport’s goalkeeper taking a free kick inside his own box up to the half way line, only for the wind to carry it straight back out at the same end, for a corner kick to Rovers.
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Post by aghast on Apr 12, 2019 16:16:24 GMT
I went to Stevenage away a couple of years ago and thought that it was a stadium far superior to the Mem and they've managed to build another stand since then. I appreciate things take time to get off the ground, especially in a city like Bristol, but it's beginning to get more frustrating year on year to see clubs leave stadiums that are in all honesty probably better than the Mem and move to new grounds with great facilities for supporters. Ah well, soon we'll have twenty years of the South Stand. Some incredible memories in front of the iconic tent... What's your favourite?
*Life of Riley starts playing on loop*
- Mark Walters' free kick vs Luton Town, November 1999 - Dwayne Plumber's winning penalty vs Everton, September 2000 - Wayne Carlise's safety confirming freekick vs Darlington, April 2003 - Rickie Lambert's volley vs Bristol City, February 2007 - Craig Disley's winning penalty vs Fulham, January 2008 - Matty Taylor's goal vs Forest Green, May 2015 - Billy Bodin's goal vs Dagenham & Redbridge, May 2016 - Chris Lines' goal vs Cardiff, August 2016
How do you remember all this stuff? If I manage to get home after a match I count that as a good day for the memory. |
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Post by toddy1953 on Apr 12, 2019 16:33:01 GMT
Main difference is though that we would have owned the stadium, just not the land it was built on, but it had a 150 year initial lease on it with a renegotiation clause after 5 years for longer...not exactly the same as Eastville or the Ricoh situation. Highfield Road was a great old stadium and full of character and could have easily been redeveloped. CCFC has been mismanaged ever since it was relegated from the PL. We wouldn't have had control of matchday revenue (from what I can tell) which is basically the problem Cov had. And another big difference is that we would be paying a ‘peppercorn’ rent, not £1m a year. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 12, 2019 16:40:49 GMT
We wouldn't have had control of matchday revenue (from what I can tell) which is basically the problem Cov had. And another big difference is that we would be paying a ‘peppercorn’ rent, not £1m a year. And another big difference was that they didn't spend any money on building the thing. Obviously there's loads of differences between UWE and Ricoh, but the point I was making was that it seems very easy to see what a mess they made of their deal, without knowing the details of it, and at the same time say that we made a mess of ours, without knowing the details of our deal. |
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Post by toddy1953 on Apr 12, 2019 17:26:07 GMT
And another big difference is that we would be paying a ‘peppercorn’ rent, not £1m a year. And another big difference was that they didn't spend any money on building the thing. Obviously there's loads of differences between UWE and Ricoh, but the point I was making was that it seems very easy to see what a mess they made of their deal, without knowing the details of it, and at the same time say that we made a mess of ours, without knowing the details of our deal. I get your point but a lot of the Coventry details are well documented - but folk keep implying that we could have been in the same boat as Coventry are, when clearly there are major differences in both deals. I don’t know if we made a mess of the UWE deal or not , but we walked away from whatever deal there was as it was a bad deal for us & that we would be nomads, only to open negotiations again last year, only to find, as Wael said UWE have other plans now. My guess is that it may not have been as bad a deal as was made out then. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 12, 2019 17:42:44 GMT
And another big difference was that they didn't spend any money on building the thing. Obviously there's loads of differences between UWE and Ricoh, but the point I was making was that it seems very easy to see what a mess they made of their deal, without knowing the details of it, and at the same time say that we made a mess of ours, without knowing the details of our deal. I get your point but a lot of the Coventry details are well documented - but folk keep implying that we could have been in the same boat as Coventry are, when clearly there are major differences in both deals. I don’t know if we made a mess of the UWE deal or not , but we walked away from whatever deal there was as it was a bad deal for us & that we would be nomads, only to open negotiations again last year, only to find, as Wael said UWE have other plans now. My guess is that it may not have been as bad a deal as was made out then. But perhaps the UWE decided to come up with other plans when the realised they weren't going to be able to take the ALQ's for every penny the club made, after all would you trust any deal which NH/TW had previously negotiated? |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 12, 2019 18:06:44 GMT
I went to Stevenage away a couple of years ago and thought that it was a stadium far superior to the Mem and they've managed to build another stand since then. I appreciate things take time to get off the ground, especially in a city like Bristol, but it's beginning to get more frustrating year on year to see clubs leave stadiums that are in all honesty probably better than the Mem and move to new grounds with great facilities for supporters. Ah well, soon we'll have twenty years of the South Stand. Some incredible memories in front of the iconic tent... What's your favourite?
*Life of Riley starts playing on loop*
- Mark Walters' free kick vs Luton Town, November 1999 - Dwayne Plumber's winning penalty vs Everton, September 2000 - Wayne Carlise's safety confirming freekick vs Darlington, April 2003 - Rickie Lambert's volley vs Bristol City, February 2007 - Craig Disley's winning penalty vs Fulham, January 2008 - Matty Taylor's goal vs Forest Green, May 2015 - Billy Bodin's goal vs Dagenham & Redbridge, May 2016 - Chris Lines' goal vs Cardiff, August 2016
Great list, Lamberts was my favourite obviously! UTG! |
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Post by toddy1953 on Apr 12, 2019 22:45:06 GMT
I get your point but a lot of the Coventry details are well documented - but folk keep implying that we could have been in the same boat as Coventry are, when clearly there are major differences in both deals. I don’t know if we made a mess of the UWE deal or not , but we walked away from whatever deal there was as it was a bad deal for us & that we would be nomads, only to open negotiations again last year, only to find, as Wael said UWE have other plans now. My guess is that it may not have been as bad a deal as was made out then. But perhaps the UWE decided to come up with other plans when the realised they weren't going to be able to take the ALQ's for every penny the club made, after all would you trust any deal which NH/TW had previously negotiated? Oh they went back with the NH deal? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 0:38:16 GMT
And another big difference was that they didn't spend any money on building the thing. Obviously there's loads of differences between UWE and Ricoh, but the point I was making was that it seems very easy to see what a mess they made of their deal, without knowing the details of it, and at the same time say that we made a mess of ours, without knowing the details of our deal. I get your point but a lot of the Coventry details are well documented - but folk keep implying that we could have been in the same boat as Coventry are, when clearly there are major differences in both deals. I don’t know if we made a mess of the UWE deal or not , but we walked away from whatever deal there was as it was a bad deal for us & that we would be nomads, only to open negotiations again last year, only to find, as Wael said UWE have other plans now. My guess is that it may not have been as bad a deal as was made out then. "Your guess is" That sums up the whole UWE debate,pure guesswork. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 13, 2019 10:16:44 GMT
But perhaps the UWE decided to come up with other plans when the realised they weren't going to be able to take the ALQ's for every penny the club made, after all would you trust any deal which NH/TW had previously negotiated? Oh they went back with the NH deal? You have to assume that would be the starting point to any negotiations? NH clearly negotiated a deal which the UWE found attractive or we would have never agreed any plans, as BB suggests it's then all guesswork why the ALQ's couldn't agree a deal, problems with the leasehold, match day income, lack of funding, etc,etc, take your pick! Anyway back to the OP, perhaps there's another twist to the tale: www.cityam.com/276196/financial-conduct-authority-investigate-wasps-rugby-club |
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 13, 2019 10:51:17 GMT
And another big difference was that they didn't spend any money on building the thing. Obviously there's loads of differences between UWE and Ricoh, but the point I was making was that it seems very easy to see what a mess they made of their deal, without knowing the details of it, and at the same time say that we made a mess of ours, without knowing the details of our deal. I get your point but a lot of the Coventry details are well documented - but folk keep implying that we could have been in the same boat as Coventry are, when clearly there are major differences in both deals. I don’t know if we made a mess of the UWE deal or not , but we walked away from whatever deal there was as it was a bad deal for us & that we would be nomads, only to open negotiations again last year, only to find, as Wael said UWE have other plans now. My guess is that it may not have been as bad a deal as was made out then. That was the spin but not the real reasons. It would hardly make us nomadic either, it’s on the doorstep of our spiritual home. We wouldn’t have had all the match day revenue, but the majority of it and it would have generated a hell of a lot more than the Mem does currently. The UWE deal was pretty much zero cost build once the Mem was sold taking into account all the grants from the FA and corporate investments and sponsorships to get it done. Micheal Cunnah was so impressed at the vision and plan that he was the one who went away and encouraged the investment from the ALQs. The Ricoh was a conglomerate outside of CCFC who own the land, stadium and all the corporate and retail on the site with no active interest in the football club itself. CCFC have never owned any piece of that stadium outright. CCFC are now held to ransom on the rent if they want to play there. It’s a complete mismanagement on behalf of all the directors and owners involved with CCFC since it was built. It’s such a vastly different situation from UWE you can’t even compare it. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 13, 2019 10:59:27 GMT
That was the spin but not the real reasons. So what were the real reasons? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 13, 2019 11:18:20 GMT
I get your point but a lot of the Coventry details are well documented - but folk keep implying that we could have been in the same boat as Coventry are, when clearly there are major differences in both deals. I don’t know if we made a mess of the UWE deal or not , but we walked away from whatever deal there was as it was a bad deal for us & that we would be nomads, only to open negotiations again last year, only to find, as Wael said UWE have other plans now. My guess is that it may not have been as bad a deal as was made out then. That was the spin but not the real reasons. It would hardly make us nomadic either, it’s on the doorstep of our spiritual home. We wouldn’t have had all the match day revenue, but the majority of it and it would have generated a hell of a lot more than the Mem does currently. The UWE deal was pretty much zero cost build once the Mem was sold taking into account all the grants from the FA and corporate investments and sponsorships to get it done. Micheal Cunnah was so impressed at the vision and plan that he was the one who went away and encouraged the investment from the ALQs. The Ricoh was a conglomerate outside of CCFC who own the land, stadium and all the corporate and retail on the site with no active interest in the football club itself. CCFC have never owned any piece of that stadium outright. CCFC are now held to ransom on the rent if they want to play there. It’s a complete mismanagement on behalf of all the directors and owners involved with CCFC since it was built. It’s such a vastly different situation from UWE you can’t even compare it. If it was so great a plan why couldn't NH/EW arrange the finance themselves rather than selling up with the club virtually in admin? No other Div 1 club hasn't taken on a project like the UWE. |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Apr 13, 2019 11:20:34 GMT
Chatting to a couple of Coventry supporters after Sundays game. Not sure if anything has changed over the past few years but led to believe the current set up is that the football club get the gate receipts. Catering & car parking, not a penny.
Imagine paying £4 for a sausage roll and club receive nothing
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 13, 2019 12:18:00 GMT
That was the spin but not the real reasons. It would hardly make us nomadic either, it’s on the doorstep of our spiritual home. We wouldn’t have had all the match day revenue, but the majority of it and it would have generated a hell of a lot more than the Mem does currently. The UWE deal was pretty much zero cost build once the Mem was sold taking into account all the grants from the FA and corporate investments and sponsorships to get it done. Micheal Cunnah was so impressed at the vision and plan that he was the one who went away and encouraged the investment from the ALQs. The Ricoh was a conglomerate outside of CCFC who own the land, stadium and all the corporate and retail on the site with no active interest in the football club itself. CCFC have never owned any piece of that stadium outright. CCFC are now held to ransom on the rent if they want to play there. It’s a complete mismanagement on behalf of all the directors and owners involved with CCFC since it was built. It’s such a vastly different situation from UWE you can’t even compare it. If it was so great a plan why couldn't NH/EW arrange the finance themselves rather than selling up with the club virtually in admin? No other Div 1 club hasn't taken on a project like the UWE. They were going to until Sainsburys pulled out and when they were approached about selling the club Hani promised to do the project. Had they known how it was going to turn out they would have probably done it themselves. There were 2 other options for plans on the Mem site. |
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