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Post by baggins on Apr 23, 2019 13:49:34 GMT
I'm all for supporting a player on a bad run, give him benefit of the doubt and every other excuse you can possibly think of, but he's gotta go. the point is, how long is a bad run? In Nichols case it is nearly 2 seasons I'm not disagreeing with you.
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Post by joebananas67 on Apr 23, 2019 13:50:03 GMT
Weird that in this day and age when everything is measured and monitored on the football pitch and there's performance data coming out of every orifice a striker whose main purpose is to score goals, but doesn't, continues to be selected! The only important stat is the score after 90 minutes. If TN starting gives a better % of wins then he should continue to start - at least until someone better comes in. neither Jak or Reilly are the answer. Perhaps Moore will be in the future - would love him to spend the season getting into the shape of his life ready to hit the ground running in preseason. I'm pretty sure there is a privately run "pre pre-season" for pro footballers operating within Bristol. Mainly players coming back from long term injuries or free agents etc but someone like Moore could also benefit. Yet two players who could find the net last year despite their limitations, couldn’t get game time as DC and MS had to justify signing such a light weight player in TN The fact is both players are now lower league sides and still offered more than Nicholls ever had
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Post by lpgas on Apr 23, 2019 16:00:59 GMT
the point is, how long is a bad run? In Nichols case it is nearly 2 seasons I'm not disagreeing with you. That's nice
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 23, 2019 17:05:57 GMT
My dead gran. Bless her. Seriously? Jak or Reilly. Or Rodders, and play Nichols in mid. Or....Moore. Why not give Deon a go? I thought Reilly was poor v Wombles, but at least he carved out a one on one chance. But, yea ...Jak or Reilly, at least they have scored this season! Nichols starting with JCH: W4 D2 L2 Jak starting with JCH: W0 D1 L1 Reilly starting with JCH: W0 D2 L2 Well as someone said one day, "you can do owt with statistics, owt you like"... I think judging two matches (Jak) and four matches (Reilly) against 75 matches is unfair. Basically, no one will be given the patience or indulgence that TN has enjoyed. The thread is topical to Tom Nichols. He played poorly v Rochdale, amongst others. In my opinion. So I accept he has assisted a few goals this season, scored two league goals in 75 appearances, was extremely unlucky to be not more as his shot v Plymouth looked over the line, but.....his overall contribution for being a striker is not good enough or acceptable for the standard that's required to see us progress to the top half of the division. It's woeful. And I think I'm being kind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 17:08:27 GMT
Nichols starting with JCH: W4 D2 L2 Jak starting with JCH: W0 D1 L1 Reilly starting with JCH: W0 D2 L2 Well as someone said one day, "you can do owt with statistics, owt you like"... I think judging two matches (Jak) and four matches (Reilly) against 75 matches is unfair. Basically, no one will be given the patience or indulgence that TN has enjoyed. The thread is topical to Tom Nichols. He played poorly v Rochdale, amongst others. In my opinion. So I accept he has assisted a few goals this season, scored two league goals in 75 appearances, was extremely unlucky to be not more as his shot v Plymouth looked over the line, but.....his overall contribution for being a striker is not good enough or acceptable for the standard that's required to see us progress to the top half of the division. It's woeful. And I think I'm being kind. Can't argue with that. And his shot against Plymouth definitely wasn't over the line.
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Post by joebananas67 on Apr 23, 2019 17:21:42 GMT
Well as someone said one day, "you can do owt with statistics, owt you like"... I think judging two matches (Jak) and four matches (Reilly) against 75 matches is unfair. Basically, no one will be given the patience or indulgence that TN has enjoyed. The thread is topical to Tom Nichols. He played poorly v Rochdale, amongst others. In my opinion. So I accept he has assisted a few goals this season, scored two league goals in 75 appearances, was extremely unlucky to be not more as his shot v Plymouth looked over the line, but.....his overall contribution for being a striker is not good enough or acceptable for the standard that's required to see us progress to the top half of the division. It's woeful. And I think I'm being kind. Can't argue with that. And his shot against Plymouth definitely wasn't over the line. And he should have scored
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2019 17:25:58 GMT
Nichols starting with JCH: W4 D2 L2 Jak starting with JCH: W0 D1 L1 Reilly starting with JCH: W0 D2 L2 Well as someone said one day, "you can do owt with statistics, owt you like"... I think judging two matches (Jak) and four matches (Reilly) against 75 matches is unfair. Basically, no one will be given the patience or indulgence that TN has enjoyed. The thread is topical to Tom Nichols. He played poorly v Rochdale, amongst others. In my opinion. So I accept he has assisted a few goals this season, scored two league goals in 75 appearances, was extremely unlucky to be not more as his shot v Plymouth looked over the line, but.....his overall contribution for being a striker is not good enough or acceptable for the standard that's required to see us progress to the top half of the division. It's woeful. And I think I'm being kind. Not sure anybody is disagreeing with that view but I assume you realise that we're still not guaranteed to be a Div 1 side next season at the moment? If we do still need a point v Barnsley I can't see GC has any option but to start with Nichols alongside JCH. As far as offloading TN in the summer if we do stay up I'm not sure how easy it will be to offload, Payne, Bennett, Mensah & Nichols, as I assume we'll have to make a hefty contribution towards all their wages to get them off our wage bill. TN's money may well be better spent on him as a reserve striker for us than contributing to his wages for another club.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Apr 23, 2019 17:42:11 GMT
Nichols starting with JCH: W4 D2 L2 Jak starting with JCH: W0 D1 L1 Reilly starting with JCH: W0 D2 L2 Well as someone said one day, "you can do owt with statistics, owt you like"... I think judging two matches (Jak) and four matches (Reilly) against 75 matches is unfair. Basically, no one will be given the patience or indulgence that TN has enjoyed. The thread is topical to Tom Nichols. He played poorly v Rochdale, amongst others. In my opinion. So I accept he has assisted a few goals this season, scored two league goals in 75 appearances, was extremely unlucky to be not more as his shot v Plymouth looked over the line, but.....his overall contribution for being a striker is not good enough or acceptable for the standard that's required to see us progress to the top half of the division. It's woeful. And I think I'm being kind. Hes judging Jaks 2 matches and Reillys 4 matches with Tom's 8 matches with JCH though?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 23, 2019 17:43:37 GMT
Well as someone said one day, "you can do owt with statistics, owt you like"... I think judging two matches (Jak) and four matches (Reilly) against 75 matches is unfair. Basically, no one will be given the patience or indulgence that TN has enjoyed. The thread is topical to Tom Nichols. He played poorly v Rochdale, amongst others. In my opinion. So I accept he has assisted a few goals this season, scored two league goals in 75 appearances, was extremely unlucky to be not more as his shot v Plymouth looked over the line, but.....his overall contribution for being a striker is not good enough or acceptable for the standard that's required to see us progress to the top half of the division. It's woeful. And I think I'm being kind. Hes judging Jaks 2 matches and Reillys 4 matches with Tom's 8 matches with JCH though? I'm not judging anyone, really. I'm just pointing out that it is not so ridiculous, after all, that TN gets picked to partner JCH in our current circumstances. And even if you prefer Jak or Reilly, it's certainly not as risible as was being made out.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 23, 2019 17:44:33 GMT
Well as someone said one day, "you can do owt with statistics, owt you like"... I think judging two matches (Jak) and four matches (Reilly) against 75 matches is unfair. Basically, no one will be given the patience or indulgence that TN has enjoyed. The thread is topical to Tom Nichols. He played poorly v Rochdale, amongst others. In my opinion. So I accept he has assisted a few goals this season, scored two league goals in 75 appearances, was extremely unlucky to be not more as his shot v Plymouth looked over the line, but.....his overall contribution for being a striker is not good enough or acceptable for the standard that's required to see us progress to the top half of the division. It's woeful. And I think I'm being kind. Hes judging Jaks 2 matches and Reillys 4 matches with Tom's 8 matches with JCH though? So surely a fairer judge is when or if everyone is on similar games played. Like said, you can do owt you want with statistics.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 17:44:42 GMT
Well as someone said one day, "you can do owt with statistics, owt you like"... I think judging two matches (Jak) and four matches (Reilly) against 75 matches is unfair. Basically, no one will be given the patience or indulgence that TN has enjoyed. The thread is topical to Tom Nichols. He played poorly v Rochdale, amongst others. In my opinion. So I accept he has assisted a few goals this season, scored two league goals in 75 appearances, was extremely unlucky to be not more as his shot v Plymouth looked over the line, but.....his overall contribution for being a striker is not good enough or acceptable for the standard that's required to see us progress to the top half of the division. It's woeful. And I think I'm being kind. Not sure anybody is disagreeing with that view but I assume you realise that we're still not guaranteed to be a Div 1 side next season at the moment? If we do still need a point v Barnsley I can't see GC has any option but to start with Nichols alongside JCH. As far as offloading TN in the summer if we do stay up I'm not sure how easy it will be to offload, Payne, Bennett, Mensah & Nichols, as I assume we'll have to make a hefty contribution towards all their wages to get them off our wage bill. TN's money may well be better spent on him as a reserve striker for us than contributing to his wages for another club. I'd like us to go in to next season with JCH, Nichols and Moore with Payne, Jak and Reilly leaving. That would leave space for one new, high quality addition.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 23, 2019 17:45:58 GMT
Hes judging Jaks 2 matches and Reillys 4 matches with Tom's 8 matches with JCH though? I'm not judging anyone, really. I'm just pointing out that it is not so ridiculous, after all, that TN gets picked to partner JCH in our current circumstances. And even if you prefer Jak or Reilly, it's certainly not as risible as was being made out. Er, it is, their scoring record is a bit better. But I also hypothetically posed Deon Moore and Rodders to partner JCH...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 17:46:28 GMT
Hes judging Jaks 2 matches and Reillys 4 matches with Tom's 8 matches with JCH though? So surely a fairer judge is when or if everyone is on similar games played. Like said, you can do owt you want with statistics. Perhaps we should ask GC to cooperate with such an experiment allowing us to make a fair and informed opinion?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 23, 2019 17:49:25 GMT
So surely a fairer judge is when or if everyone is on similar games played. Like said, you can do owt you want with statistics. Perhaps we should ask GC to cooperate with such an experiment allowing us to make a fair and informed opinion? Using Huggys stats, you could argue we lose the least games with Jak stats, so that should secure his place last two matches 😊 There you go. Sorted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 17:53:36 GMT
Perhaps we should ask GC to cooperate with such an experiment allowing us to make a fair and informed opinion? Using Huggys stats, you could argue we lose the least games with Jak stats, so that should secure his place last two matches 😊 There you go. Sorted. Play them both - even more sorted😉
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Post by socrates on Apr 23, 2019 18:31:06 GMT
Having read all this and listened to all the opinions on this thread I’d still much rather have Nichols alongside Harris than Jak or Reilly. Just goes to show how poor Jak and Reilly are. If Harris had scored his career average goals / games amount of goals for us since signing we’d already be relegated that much is for sure. Thank god for a rich vein of form by our new signing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 19:45:14 GMT
Having read all this and listened to all the opinions on this thread I’d still much rather have Nichols alongside Harris than Jak or Reilly. Just goes to show how poor Jak and Reilly are. If Harris had scored his career average goals / games amount of goals for us since signing we’d already be relegated that much is for sure. Thank god for a rich vein of form by our new signing. I think this is the concern for next season. Statistically, it's likely that JCH will be the 10-15 goal a season striker rather than the 20-25 one that his form since he came would suggest. Don't get me wrong. He has been brilliant for us and without his wordie goals at Plymouth and Gillingam alone, we'd three points worse off already. But there's nothing to suggest that this is any more than just a rich vein of form. The good side of that is that he is more than likely going to be a Rovers player next year as no-one us likely to risk big money on him. If he does continue to score regularly until January, it may be a different story. So, if JCH goals dry up, who will get them next season? I would imagine that Jak will go back and Reilly will have another year on his contract (can't imagine he will have uprooted for a one year deal). Moore is an unknown quantity so anything he contributes will be a bonus. So, that leaves us with JCH, Reilly, Nichols and Moore. I like a lot about Nichols as a footballer but we do need a striker who can score goals and for that reason alone, it's hard to see him being retained as one of the four strikers we surely need.
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Post by Icegas on Apr 24, 2019 0:46:57 GMT
I'm all for supporting a player on a bad run, give him benefit of the doubt and every other excuse you can possibly think of, but he's gotta go. I agree.He has been one of our worst ever forwards to ever play for our club in terms of goals scored Vs games played.Luke James was a close 2nd. The weird thing is there is a good player in there with Nicholls.His overall game is good and he has clear talent.But unless he scores 3 or 4 goals in these next two games I would move him on unless we turn him into a winger/midfielder and never as a striker again. His days as a striker here have failed and are over. I doubt he could score in the conference or below and nothing else proves otherwise.Maybe a League one/two footballer but not as a Striker and goalscorer.
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Post by yaz on Apr 24, 2019 1:11:26 GMT
How can people be bringing JCH up is beyond me.. He is allowed one poor/ quiet game. My only criticism would be he keeps hold of the ball too long sometimes. We would be down already without him. I think in terms of TN, he does need to reinvent himself and accept a place behind a striker or 2. If he can't do that then yeah he would have to move on, simply can't have someone playing up top for entire season and score 1 goal. Agree. We would be bottom without JCH. Last 2 games not brilliant but to be expected and also excusable?; he should have players within 10 yards to feed off him so he should not be playing so wide but in middle. Personally I think he likes playing wide? We have too many midfield type players and most of them can’t create or shoot bar Sercombe, Lines or O Clarke. At Wimbledon, Upson and Ogogo both had shots, probably their best all season, but did any of us expect them to go in? Do any of us expect both of them to score at all? Upson free kicks are always the same: a) too short or too long b) no swerve or spin or bite on ball, just floated in so easy for goalie to get if in his zone. Rodman has been poor in both last 2 games - no real penetrating runs at all. Looking back on this season, there are really only 3 pluses - we stay up hopefully, Bonham and JCH. The team we had 2 seasons ago with the crew we all loved should form the basis of a future team; I would still keep Lockyer, Clarkes, Lines, Sinclair, Leadbitter, etc. from those days but add Craig, Bonham, JCH, Sercombe and some of the untested players like Kilgour, etc.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 24, 2019 8:49:54 GMT
Having read all this and listened to all the opinions on this thread I’d still much rather have Nichols alongside Harris than Jak or Reilly. Just goes to show how poor Jak and Reilly are. If Harris had scored his career average goals / games amount of goals for us since signing we’d already be relegated that much is for sure. Thank god for a rich vein of form by our new signing. I think this is the concern for next season. Statistically, it's likely that JCH will be the 10-15 goal a season striker rather than the 20-25 one that his form since he came would suggest. Don't get me wrong. He has been brilliant for us and without his wordie goals at Plymouth and Gillingam alone, we'd three points worse off already. But there's nothing to suggest that this is any more than just a rich vein of form. The good side of that is that he is more than likely going to be a Rovers player next year as no-one us likely to risk big money on him. If he does continue to score regularly until January, it may be a different story. So, if JCH goals dry up, who will get them next season? I would imagine that Jak will go back and Reilly will have another year on his contract (can't imagine he will have uprooted for a one year deal). Moore is an unknown quantity so anything he contributes will be a bonus. So, that leaves us with JCH, Reilly, Nichols and Moore. I like a lot about Nichols as a footballer but we do need a striker who can score goals and for that reason alone, it's hard to see him being retained as one of the four strikers we surely need. I would bet my house that he will not be here next season
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