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Post by james246 on Apr 24, 2019 13:19:59 GMT
The objective in a football match is very simple - score at least one goal more than the opposition. I think the Rovers management should explain how Tom has contributed to that. The argument that JCH scores more with Tom is hardly an answer since Tom plays more minutes than Gavin and Alex. Relative to the number of games he has started Tom must be the least successful striker in the clubs history. If JCH leaves in the summer (if the rumoured £200K buyout clause is true he most certainly will do) then the striker situation needs to be seriously looked at, it should be looked at anyway. Rovers are still in trouble this season because not enough goals are scored, and Tom doesn't contribute.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 24, 2019 13:25:41 GMT
think your have to introduce appearances in to that too. Because if say the other 4 were with someone else but it was only on 4 appearances, that might be better than if TN featured in more than 7. E.g. TN has featured in 7 of the 11 goals JCH scored over x number of games vs someone else over y number of games. Also I'm fairly sure at least 2 of those had nothing to do with TN anyway. How we have been reduced to measuring the value of striker x by the number of goals striker y scores because striker x doesn't speaks some volume probably but I get the point. Assists should be coming from midfield really. Arrrgghhh!!!!! then it all gets too complicated and way beyond what I was trying to prove for myself!. However the one stat that probably disproves the theory is the Bradford game where he scored one with TN on the pitch and one without! Lets just buy a new striker, it would be far easier. I guess to put it in a better way you could have the following When TN and JCH are on the pitch together, JCH scores x% of those games Vs others (sub out TN and in other) Combining the two and calculating a percentage sorts it out I think.
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Post by RD on Apr 24, 2019 14:12:34 GMT
This post is my first for god knows how many years and having spent enough time up and down the M4 in recent months and further afield, I am lost for words to describe this excuse for a footballer. In my 44 years of going to watch My favourite club I cannot think of a more ineffective forward or come to think of it, a footballer. Opposing Managers must see our team sheet and rub there hands in glee. The Rochdale managers last minute instructions to his defenders would have been ‘double up on JCH, the other guy is useless’ And yet again he did not disappoint. He falls over more than Lewis Halsane ever did,. Wear some studs rather than slippers, it will help.. Can’t hold the ball up, can’t win a header and can’t beat a man. It therefore begs the question what in God’s name is he doing on the pitch. Today’s performance was probably the worst of many woeful this season but when you start a game with effectively 10 men what is to be expected. We ain’t out the relegation woods yet and it is scary to think that should we stay up there are at least four teams worse than us Best part of today was the well deserved applause for Lindsay Parsons. I'd like to say you were missed but....
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Post by singupgas on Apr 24, 2019 14:39:19 GMT
The objective in a football match is very simple - score at least one goal more than the opposition. I think the Rovers management should explain how Tom has contributed to that. The argument that JCH scores more with Tom is hardly an answer since Tom plays more minutes than Gavin and Alex. Relative to the number of games he has started Tom must be the least successful striker in the clubs history. If JCH leaves in the summer (if the rumoured £200K buyout clause is true he most certainly will do) then the striker situation needs to be seriously looked at, it should be looked at anyway. Rovers are still in trouble this season because not enough goals are scored, and Tom doesn't contribute. If we did continue to start with Tom next year, i think we all would have to question the management (once again). Along with a new Right Back, a couple wide players, A STRIKER or 2 is exactly what we need. I also do not want to be hearing excuses again and we make all our signings on the last day of the window, just scream lack of planning, it is obvious to anyone with eyesight what players we need, get it done early.
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Post by Blueside on Apr 24, 2019 14:39:35 GMT
Arrrgghhh!!!!! then it all gets too complicated and way beyond what I was trying to prove for myself!. However the one stat that probably disproves the theory is the Bradford game where he scored one with TN on the pitch and one without! Lets just buy a new striker, it would be far easier. I guess to put it in a better way you could have the following When TN and JCH are on the pitch together, JCH scores x% of those games Vs others (sub out TN and in other) Combining the two and calculating a percentage sorts it out I think. yes, you are probably right. go on then.... I'll check your calcs when done
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Post by Blueside on Apr 24, 2019 14:44:43 GMT
The objective in a football match is very simple - score at least one goal more than the opposition. I think the Rovers management should explain how Tom has contributed to that. The argument that JCH scores more with Tom is hardly an answer since Tom plays more minutes than Gavin and Alex. Relative to the number of games he has started Tom must be the least successful striker in the clubs history. If JCH leaves in the summer (if the rumoured £200K buyout clause is true he most certainly will do) then the striker situation needs to be seriously looked at, it should be looked at anyway. Rovers are still in trouble this season because not enough goals are scored, and Tom doesn't contribute. Not heard that rumour before, where did it start? on here?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 24, 2019 14:45:21 GMT
11 out of 11 of JCH’s goals were scored with Bonham on the pitch if you’re using that argument. How many of JCH’s goals has Nichols assisted in that time? Only one away at Scunthorpe. People seem to think Nichols is part of the reason why JCH is scoring goals but it’s only because he’s been on the pitch with him longer than any other striker.
And the last few posts of this thread demonstrate exactly why I have never previously posted stats. As I said I had only looked at this theory to see for myself if JCH only ever scored when TN was on the pitch, which was the veiled impression I had made in my head. It shows how the mind can let you believe a lot of things, and I genuinely thought that JCH only ever scored when playing alongside TN. Stats showed how wrong that idea was. Once the discussion has moved on to this same idea I thought if I posted my findings it would make my pointless task seem just slightly less pointless.
As regards Bonham being on the pitch I don't think there would be many who would argue that that has any relevance at all, altthough I'm surewe as a forum could debate it for at least another four pages.
65% of statistics are made up.
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Post by joebananas67 on Apr 24, 2019 14:50:49 GMT
Ok statto’s
In the two seasons Nicholls has been with us how many shots has he had on target as I bet the average is less than one a game which for a striker is simply shocking
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 24, 2019 15:31:26 GMT
The objective in a football match is very simple - score at least one goal more than the opposition. I think the Rovers management should explain how Tom has contributed to that. The argument that JCH scores more with Tom is hardly an answer since Tom plays more minutes than Gavin and Alex. Relative to the number of games he has started Tom must be the least successful striker in the clubs history. If JCH leaves in the summer (if the rumoured £200K buyout clause is true he most certainly will do) then the striker situation needs to be seriously looked at, it should be looked at anyway. Rovers are still in trouble this season because not enough goals are scored, and Tom doesn't contribute. Why should they “explain”? You wouldn’t expect any employer explaining your performance publicly surely. Why are you different from TN? It just hasn’t worked out for him sadly. And I’m sure that in the Summer all situations, midfield and striking will be looked at. I just hope the solutions are better this summer than they were last. I get the frustration and anger but this is football, just because you demand better doesn’t actually guarantee that better happens. Blimey, how long you been supporting Rovers?😉 UTG!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Apr 24, 2019 16:19:35 GMT
I do not need GC to explain anything about TN; he has played 74 games for BRFC, unfortunately I have seen them all, he has scored 2 goals, which is not good enough. I can imagine Tom looks ****ing good in training playing 5 a side, but put him on the park and his frailty shines through. If GC does not have the ******** to change it up, then we will most likely be in the same awful position next year as we find ourselves today.
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Post by joebananas67 on Apr 24, 2019 16:24:56 GMT
I do not need GC to explain anything about TN; he has played 74 games for BRFC, unfortunately I have seen them all, he has scored 2 goals, which is not good enough. I can imagine Tom looks ****ing good in training playing 5 a side, but put him on the park and his frailty shines through. If GC does not have the ******** to change it up, then we will most likely be in the same awful position next year as we find ourselves today. Has anybody considered that the reason TN looks good in training is because our defence ain’t the best
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Post by rememberhalifax on Apr 24, 2019 16:33:17 GMT
but our defence IS one of the best in the league and may well be the reason we survive ! and any scouts watching JCH on Sat wont be recommending a 200,000 bid,reckon he was under instructions to look bad so we keep him at least till Jan!!
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Post by stapletongas on Apr 24, 2019 17:16:17 GMT
I do not need GC to explain anything about TN; he has played 74 games for BRFC, unfortunately I have seen them all, he has scored 2 goals, which is not good enough. I can imagine Tom looks ****ing good in training playing 5 a side, but put him on the park and his frailty shines through. If GC does not have the ******** to change it up, then we will most likely be in the same awful position next year as we find ourselves today. Has anybody considered that the reason RN looks good in training is because our defence ain’t the best You are so bad it's scary! We've conceded 49 league goals, only bettered by 6 clubs in the division, 5 inside the top 6 and 1 outside. And you complain about TN's performance 😂
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Post by joebananas67 on Apr 24, 2019 18:02:04 GMT
Has anybody considered that the reason RN looks good in training is because our defence ain’t the best You are so bad it's scary! We've conceded 49 league goals, only bettered by 6 clubs in the division, 5 inside the top 6 and 1 outside. And you complain about TN's performance 😂 And my comment was firmly tongue in cheek
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 18:20:55 GMT
You are so bad it's scary! We've conceded 49 league goals, only bettered by 6 clubs in the division, 5 inside the top 6 and 1 outside. And you complain about TN's performance 😂 And my comment was firmly tongue in cheek Where did you hear this JCH £200k release clause rumour or is it yours?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 18:28:29 GMT
but our defence IS one of the best in the league and may well be the reason we survive ! and any scouts watching JCH on Sat wont be recommending a 200,000 bid,reckon he was under instructions to look bad so we keep him at least till Jan!! Heard that JCH had been suffering from tonsillitis since Thursday.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 24, 2019 18:30:00 GMT
but our defence IS one of the best in the league and may well be the reason we survive ! and any scouts watching JCH on Sat wont be recommending a 200,000 bid,reckon he was under instructions to look bad so we keep him at least till Jan!! Heard that JCH had been suffering from tonsillitis since Thursday. Got it from the horse' mouth?
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Post by joebananas67 on Apr 24, 2019 20:22:18 GMT
And my comment was firmly tongue in cheek Where did you hear this JCH £200k release clause rumour or is it yours? Lost me on that one!! What clause, where when what why and how is that tied into me
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 20:29:10 GMT
Ah joeyB, never could keep a promise. Thought after we never sacked Trolls by your deadline, you'd never set foot down the gas ever again. You watching on ifollow
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Post by joebananas67 on Apr 24, 2019 20:33:05 GMT
Ah joeyB, never could keep a promise. Thought after we never sacked Trolls by your deadline, you'd never set foot down the gas ever again. You watching on ifollow But we did sack him and if I remember rightly I also said he’d never make it as a manager in his own right. One managers job since 2009ish and truly made a success at Cardiff. Great coach - useless manager
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